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  • #130134
    griffChris Griffin
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    smells of a give away this one
    if not then how shyte are we really,but ill stick with us throwing this one

    I thought exactly the same, matey – only thig that threw me was playing Gomez, rather thena rest him, too. Maybe he just thinks he’s indispensible.

    #130135
    griffChris Griffin
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    Looks very like May 9th, QPR – Home – First Leg

    Austin (and Doyle) back for QPR tonight; scored last minute winner, went off injured (bad one, hopefully !).

    Beat Blackpool, then I trust UR will tinker to perfection (Brum, Rovers), to get the lads set up for what is going to be a tough old 2-legger. Loftus Road not our favourite hunting ground …

    2-0 defeat today could be a blessing in disguise .. one lousy 45 mins. in the play-offs, and promotion may become a distant dream. Can’t be allowed to happen. Rather now than then. A timely reminder how quickly things can go pear-shaped !

    Today, was never going to be our ‘Cub Final’ (no prizes handed out) was though for Burnley.

    In Uwe we trust … B)

    No prizes.Our team shouldnt need a prize to beat a team who are 2nd in the league.dont make cheap excuses hey pal. ;)[/quote]

    no cheap excuse, just facing facts .. ‘battle / war’, mean anything to you ? this season’s a marathon .. I’ll settle now for winning the really important games (3 – yet to come) by which time we’ll have played 63 /64 this season. Sure you would too …

    As one said earlier on BBC Sport, with the squad we’ve got we should be TOP 2 – thanks to good old OC we’ve been in catch-up mode for a good while, credit to UR we should hopefully claim a play-off berth with 2 to play, and have had a great run in the Cup, … give credit where its due, mate .. and think bigger picture[/quote]We have let sum games go through changein the sqaud.going off 2days game no team in the playoffs will fear us.For Battle/War 2days 1st half we surrenderd.2nd half was a case of we tried but retreated.or did O.C take the medals. ;)[/quote]

    (try again) … ?????[/quote]

    I think someone had a little drinky-poos! ;)

    #130136
    cup winnerscup winners
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    Burnley played the same 11 as they did Friday and still looked far fitter than us.
    Gomez couldn’t breath in the middle,
    no right side mid,
    and for the long ball shiite ??,
    I hope he plays the same 11 against Blackpool & Birmingham then a draw against Blackburn and hopefully play Derby cause I’m skint.

    #130138
    bronxbomberRON HUNT
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    Perhaps Uncle Dave will put free coaches on for the away game ;)

    #130139
    Argus69Neil Ferguson
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    smells of a give away this one
    if not then how shyte are we really,but ill stick with us throwing this one

    I thought exactly the same, matey – only thig that threw me was playing Gomez, rather thena rest him, too. Maybe he just thinks he’s indispensible.[/quote]

    Well he was taken off at half time.

    So we had no attacking threat in the 1st half and lost our main creative player for the 2nd??

    We really needed to maintain Fridays momentum for the rest of the season going into the play offs.

    We’ve a poor record against QPR especially at Loftus Rd.

    The motivation for the squad must be affected by the constant changes.You can play great and then you’re dropped for the next match ????

    Crazy.

    #130150
    SammySammy
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    Would’ve been nice to cement our playoff place today and send a message to our rivals, but what did we have to gain by going all out with our strongest team against a club that was drooling for a home win to seal promotion?

    Espinoza not even on the bench was puzzling though.

    I’m sure Rosler didn’t deliberately pick a weakened team on the basis that it was a game he thought he couldn’t win or it was a game he could afford to lose.
    He screwed up and more or less alluded to that in his post match comments.

    #130151
    StandishWalkerStandishWalker
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    Why’s everyone getting their knickers in a twist?

    It was always unlikely that we were going to go toe to toe with Burnley.

    It’s looking an almost certainty that we’ll be in the play-offs, so why risk injuries and against a good team who would be going all out to get themselves promoted?

    Of course it was a throwaway game. The Reading game was the important one to win and we did that.

    Waghorn came off against Reading holding his hamstring and Espinosa has been out injured for months – as has Maloney. That’s why they didn’t feature.

    Nothing to do with form or past performances, and I’m pretty damn sure that’s what is explained to the players during the week at training. I don’t see any signs and have not heard any rumours of disgruntled players, and I’d suggest the upturn in form since Rosler took charge would suggest a motivated squad.

    And those saying ‘such-a-body doesn’t need a rest’: how do you know? It’s not a case of them needing a rest like an unfit f’cker like me does after a brisk walk. It’s all fine margins. It’s because they’ve picked up a knock or have a slight strain so they aren’t performing at 100%.

    So unless you train with them on a daily basis, you really can’t comment on who does or who doesn’t need a rest.

    #130153
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    Some of the comments above defy logic. Fortunately Rosler has more than most!

    We have played more games than any club in football league history yet Rosler is castigated for not playing 4 lads in back to back games who are either injured or coming back from injury in a game that was of limited importance. Its obviously better to give those players a week to rest before assuring us of the three points we need to guarantee 5th place. Once that is attained its a matter of getting the players in the best shape possible before the QPR double header. End of.

    #130191
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    We might have played the most amount of games but how many of our players have played them all ?. The Burnley team has picked itself bar the last few weeks and most of them have played the majority of their games so it kinda evens itself out compared to our players.
    Am I happy ? yes , very much so , but is there a need to make so many changes every game ? no .

    #130192
    The EggThe Egg
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    He won’t tinker come playoff time.

    He’ll know his best 11 and he’ll play it in each playoff game.

    #130193
    TyldesleyLaticTyldesleyLatic
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    And how on earth do you know that?

    Using last season as an example, for Brentford’s second leg play off game Rosler made 4 changes from the team that had played the first leg.
    None of those who played in the 1st leg but not the 2nd were injured as they were all on the subs bench. Of the 4 who played the 2nd leg but not the 1st 3 of them were definitely not suspended for the first leg as they were on the bench. I don’t know about the 4th one.
    That’s not to say players weren’t dropped coz they didn’t play well in the first leg but to say that he won’t tinker come play off time & that he’ll play his best 11 in each game doesn’t really have any fact to back it up

    #130194
    The EggThe Egg
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    And how on earth do you know that?

    I don’t I’m just guessing.

    #130197
    garswood_laticGarswood_latic
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    That’s not to say players weren’t dropped coz they didn’t play well in the first leg but to say that he won’t tinker come play off time & that he’ll play his best 11 in each game doesn’t really have any fact to back it up

    “Tinkering” to me indicates tampering without logic with a good/winning set-up. Brentford had drawn the first leg, so were seeking a win (I know that in the end they drew and went through to the final on penalties).

    The Telegraph for the second leg said “With the weight of six abortive play-off campaigns on their shoulders, the Bees appeared devoid of confidence when the sides met 48 hours ago”, and that “Trotta and Harry Forrester, (were) recalled to the starting eleven…”

    Changing a team that hasn’t played well and appeared devoid of confidence to bring in what he perceives as being better for the job in hand is not tinkering, just good management.

    #130198
    WeregoingtobarnsleyHenry Peacock
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    Arsenal were reduced by injuries and suspensions to playing Sanogo against Wigan, with little-known – at least to me – players Källström, Akpom and Eisfeld on the bench.

    Even Chelsea are running out of players. Last night – in a Champions League semifinal – they had Aké and Kalas on the bench. Mourinho faces more problems in the second leg. Though Ivanovic can return, Cech and Terry are now injured, and Lampard and Mikel will be suspended. And he wants to rest players in the vital league game at Liverpool.

    So it’s difficult managing even a large squad through a long season. Rosler has done well to arrive at the end of the season with such a good choice of players available to play. Rotation has been part of his plan.

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    TyldesleyLaticTyldesleyLatic
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    That’s not to say players weren’t dropped coz they didn’t play well in the first leg but to say that he won’t tinker come play off time & that he’ll play his best 11 in each game doesn’t really have any fact to back it up

    “Tinkering” to me indicates tampering without logic with a good/winning set-up. Brentford had drawn the first leg, so were seeking a win (I know that in the end they drew and went through to the final on penalties).

    The Telegraph for the second leg said “With the weight of six abortive play-off campaigns on their shoulders, the Bees appeared devoid of confidence when the sides met 48 hours ago”, and that “Trotta and Harry Forrester, (were) recalled to the starting eleven…”

    Changing a team that hasn’t played well and appeared devoid of confidence to bring in what he perceives as being better for the job in hand is not tinkering, just good management.[/quote]

    Only rather than just being a one off change as a result of a poor performance in the 1st leg, the Telegraph neglects to mention that he’d also made 3 changes in each of the preceding 4 league games prior to the play offs.
    So I don’t think it was just a reaction to a poor performance. It’s what he does & to me it looks like either someone who doesn’t know his best starting XI or who feels that he has to make so many changes because is what you do
    Don’t get me wrong I like him as Latics manager. I like his style of football & he has rescued our season. I just think that squad rotation for squad rotations sake can have a negative impact on performances and results. And it’s something that I think we’ve seen at times at Latics. I also think that under him Latics could also have done even better than they have if he hadn’t made so any changes from game to game
    At Brentford it was also something that the players became increasingly unhappy about by the start of this season & by all accounts in a cards on the table post match meeting after they’ hadn’t won in the opening 5 games they voiced this, he stopped doing it & they won 9 or so on the bounce

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