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I fully agree with the goal line technology, it’s a joke that this isn’t in place now. In addition I’m thinking of penalties and sendings off. These are big decisions whether it was inside or outside the box and whether there was actual contact. In most cases easily proved in a few seconds. How long does it take to rewind your home TV digibox back 30 seconds. I’m sure Sky/BBC etc have better systems than we have.
These “are” big decisions……….taken by the referee.
Leave it………it’s the way we like our football.
;)
Sorry Micky but I’ve got to go with the Duke on his take of the game.
Indeed sir….
however…… his “Being the leading advocate of the ABU Supporters Club (Anyone But United) I am incredibly biased. Let me categorically confirm that I’m probably the biggest hater of Manchester United there is out there. But can you blame me?”
……..tended to taint his report.
But hey!….free press and all that.
Safe New Year chap…[/quote]
You may have a point there… :lol:[/quote]
…..and that, Sir, is why we will survive…… ;)
Yep…Good reply Mickey I agree with that. It’s a bummer though when we all know our player has been sent off without committing any offence. Fair enough, we’d have lost to Utd anyway, but what if Sammon’s sent off for a similar thing against Wolves on the last day of the season when the winner stays up. You’re probably right and it will make bar-room talk for years to come, but the technology’s there to prevent that happening.Thank you Ex…………..yes it is; but (today – in my opinion) only as ‘goal line technology’.
Stopping a game…..fouls, throw-ins, corners etc ‘will’ ruin the game as we know it. If we go down the line of investigating every misdemeanor then we might as well hand in our season tickets …….
………because that’s just not football.
Sorry Micky but I’ve got to go with the Duke on his take of the game.Indeed sir….
however…… his “Being the leading advocate of the ABU Supporters Club (Anyone But United) I am incredibly biased. Let me categorically confirm that I’m probably the biggest hater of Manchester United there is out there. But can you blame me?”
……..tended to taint his report.
But hey!….free press and all that.
Safe New Year chap…
I see there’s a lot of threads on here regarding the sending off of Connor Sammon. So I thought I’d add a bit more into the mix. I know Phil Dowd’s not best respected at Wigan and I’ve got to agree with a lot of the posts on here about his apparent bias away from the Latics. However, looking at the way the game’s played these days I think he was taken in by Carrick’s theatricals over a slap to the face. The way he walked away out of the challenge probably did make Dowd think he’s taken a worse injury than he actually did. If we’d had another player within 20 yards of Sammon, Carrick wouldn’t have abandoned his defensive duties so easily and would have continued to play the game. He got Sammon sent off and (as good as) admitted it on MOTD. The game’s being ruined at the moment by players/teams continually trying to con referees more than ever, so making their job even more difficult. In my opinion there’s got to be a video referee to stop all the cheating that goes on in today’s games….If we’d had one on Monday Sanmon would definately have stayed on the pitch.
I’m all for it when looking at whether a ball has crossed the line, however I doubt it would ever get used for instances such as Sammon’s sending of. If a referee is given free reign on when to look at a video, he will. I’m sure Tyldesley will post and disagree, but I maintain that if a referee has the opportunity of double checking a decision, he’ll (or she’ll….) take it.
Restrict when it can be used – ie. to judge whether it’s a goal or not – and you restrict the times it can be used, and stop the game becoming stop-start.[/quote]
You’ve a good point there Standish… but a sending off or penalty decision could be a result changing decision. Where there’s millions of pounds at stake in the current game, maybe 2 minutes of decision time would define the right decision and referees wouldn’t be embarrassed by the replays shown on MOTD where they’re shown to be wrong. I’ve no doubt Sammon will get his red card rescinded in view of the video evidence.[/quote]
I’m with Standish on this (and I suspect quite the majority of the football fraternity)……..
Goal line technology ‘could’ be the way ahead, however, to stop a highly paced, trumped, derby, relegation deciding game……..for the sake of a ‘hand’ in the face could (would) ruin some teams (and financial) futures. Let’s not overcook this. We have a good game here – and we ‘think’ we are hard done by (as do a lot of other teams here).
However…..micromanagement is not the answer, (it’s the discussion in the bar that makes for a better night out).
Take this discussion any further and we will end up with the ‘four’ hour nonsense games they have ‘stateside’ …….men in striped shirts delivering ‘pies and root beer’ every ten minutes.
Keep the game as it should be….raw at times – fast, ugly, but football as ‘WE’ know it…..without the bias of some southern t!t deciding if it was/was not a foul.
FFS……it’s a game of football.
The Duke’s final article of 2011Thanks for your support this year….
Thanks also to those who have contributed…..with a common sense and realistic approach.
Jason….if your thanks was aimed at ‘Duke’ then you need to read his contributions before publishing them. That, sir, is appalling.
“Being the leading advocate of the ABU Supporters Club (Anyone But United) I am incredibly biased. Let me categorically confirm that I’m probably the biggest hater of Manchester United there is out there. But can you blame me?”……he said
……and then you allowed his tirade….(Phil…..better than diatribe eh?)
Seriously you (Duke) then said……….”Connor Sammon accidentally caught Michael Carrick with his hand whilst attempting to shield the ball and immediately a red card is produced.”…..it was no accident – it was no red card either (sh one tee reporting duke).
Then this beforehand….”I fully expected us to lose against United on Boxing Day and anyone who thought otherwise is quite frankly a deluded idiot. The red card didn’t affect the result, but it’s the principle that is totally wrong.”
Deluded I may be…but from where I was sitting/standing we had their measure…on the break, and apart from Connor not making ‘the header’ we ‘could’ have made a better game of it had we stayed with a full team. May I say…….Ronnie played a blinder down the wing….with some glorious balls in there.
Different eyes and different perspectives fella…….however, please continue to give us your insight.
Safe New Year to you and all of yours……….
Merry ChristmasHave a great Christmas……
Much better words than my ‘Jerusalem’ attempt Jason.
Traditional ‘night in’ for me and mine, he said as he just waves them off for their high jinx elsewhere (bonus…….me and Mrs Micky are now alone with a fine selection of the best French vineyards have to offer).
Happy Christmas and safe 2012 to everyone (even those who don’t get me ;) ……………..
……..oh! and 40 points please :woohoo:
Now then where did I put that ‘tire bouchon’?
Micky, if you are going to rhyme every other line you must stick to that format ! The 2nd verse of your masterpiece seems to go awry and the 4th verse leaves a lot to be desired ! Its almost as if you have thrown in some blank verse for devilment ! You do however imagine it being sang from the ES2 area and so therefore your glaring errors will go unnoticed I feel !Thanks Phil
I didn’t think it that bad actually…….considering it came on the back of a ‘staff do’.
Poetic license?…………I must try (a little) harder eh?
B)
I could hear the opening bars of Blake’s Jerusalem as I got to that last bit.
Hearing voices in the head again, SW? :)
Not just voices G – it’s whole orchestras these days.[/quote]
Your hearing must be suspect –
I suggest you listen to some of Sir Hubert Parry’s stuff it may clear your misleading thoughts.[/quote]
I am familiar with the old public school favourite ‘Dear Lord And Father Of Mankind’, but that’s about it.You can’t beat a bit of Elgar for me.[/quote]
you cant be saying that on here its a bit like treason – wasnt that elgar fellow a wolves fan – must admit he penned one or two decent tunes though he could have made himself famous if he’d used blake to write a few lines for him also.[/quote]
Loudmouth….yet again you appear to have missed the ‘cultural’ point by that country mile. The Sir Hubert reference was inconsequential….. it was quite obvious that Mr Standish was referring to the opening bars to ‘Tommy’ Blake’s recent poem:
And in the goals, his gloves divine
Saved us from Scouse defeat
And did we strive throughout that time
To make our game play so completeAnd did the referee try so hard
To give the game to them
And was the Latics builded here
So small but in the PremBring me my voice, make it so loud
Bring me my passion and desire
Bring me my team, I am so proud
Bring me support of fireI will not cease from mental fight
nor shall my love wane for my team
Til we have built the ultimate
and stay here and reign supremeBut an ‘educated’ man like yourself would have known that anyway.
Here have one of these…….. ;)[/quote]
You never know but perhaps in a hundred years or so some composer may set your (tommy’s) poem to music and in a further 100 years it may become one of the rousing closing numbers at ‘last night of the trolls’
I wont bother going into the “opening bars” stuff, I will leave that to the more ‘educated’ like filmoss to question, as he seems not to “miss the ‘cultural’ point by a country mile” like I do.[/quote]
A hundred years…………and then another?
You flatter me…….but I don’t want that; maybe that’s your way of ingratiating yourself to others……..maybe you want to be loved (or at least liked). Your ‘back-book’ (as the nouveau psychs call it) must be fascinating.
Please indulge me….why not ‘go into the bars stuff’ – after all it’s only a musical reference.
Trolls eh?….
Biscuit, this, take, you, the, on, one……..(rearrange at your pleasure/leisure).
Hey….what about Tommy’s poem……is there no credit at all from you? I can hear it now being sung from the far corners of the East; you cannot hear from your armchair though…can you?
here have one of these…..
…….. :evil:
I didn’t know that poems contained bars ! You learn something every day !They don’t…………..so you need to ‘un-learn’ that something.
‘Tommy’ Blakes poem was set to music…not unlike the rousing music of Sir Hubert Parsee……classic pianist he was.
However, if you cannot stanza the heat then you need to quatrain your comments as you and your brother will end up as exiled couplets.
anyone watching? i’ll go for an outsider (darren clarke). martinez been seen in the audience a few times already, sat in front of lee dixon and behind john (bung) higgins. His mrs is a bit ropey though :lol:Who’s ‘mrs’…….Roberto’s, Lee’s or the ‘bung’ man?
…….and ‘ropey’….what; in education, sociability, dress sense, activeness in the community and in what comparison to who?…..whose taste?…..your ‘mrs’ perhaps…….
you can be better than that fella…….
I could hear the opening bars of Blake’s Jerusalem as I got to that last bit.
Hearing voices in the head again, SW? :)
Not just voices G – it’s whole orchestras these days.[/quote]
Your hearing must be suspect –
I suggest you listen to some of Sir Hubert Parry’s stuff it may clear your misleading thoughts.[/quote]
I am familiar with the old public school favourite ‘Dear Lord And Father Of Mankind’, but that’s about it.You can’t beat a bit of Elgar for me.[/quote]
you cant be saying that on here its a bit like treason – wasnt that elgar fellow a wolves fan – must admit he penned one or two decent tunes though he could have made himself famous if he’d used blake to write a few lines for him also.[/quote]
Loudmouth….yet again you appear to have missed the ‘cultural’ point by that country mile. The Sir Hubert reference was inconsequential….. it was quite obvious that Mr Standish was referring to the opening bars to ‘Tommy’ Blake’s recent poem:
And in the goals, his gloves divine
Saved us from Scouse defeat
And did we strive throughout that time
To make our game play so completeAnd did the referee try so hard
To give the game to them
And was the Latics builded here
So small but in the PremBring me my voice, make it so loud
Bring me my passion and desire
Bring me my team, I am so proud
Bring me support of fireI will not cease from mental fight
nor shall my love wane for my team
Til we have built the ultimate
and stay here and reign supremeBut an ‘educated’ man like yourself would have known that anyway.
Here have one of these…….. ;)
What is all the fuss about ?
If they are not coloureds, what the hell are they ?
This country has gone way over the top with PC. We’ll be scared to blink at “non whites” before too long. Absolutely confused.My niece is actually coloured ( half Jamaican desent ) and niether her or myself think it remotely racist if we, or anybody else, refer to her as coloured. Coloured is an adjective, not an offensive slang term.
Lostock,i worked with a West Indian guy and if you called him coloured he went garrity. He always said “im a black man and i want to be called a black man to call me coloured puts me in a large group of different ethnics,im proud to be black and want to be acknowledged as a black man” I thought that was a profound statement from a real genuine guy.[/quote]
……is the sound-bite from a very insecure person. Sorry Nuneaton but I find nothing ‘profound’ about that at all. I can only echo the thoughts of others…..
……what is all the fuss about.
FFS…racism is one thing but taking things to the ‘nth’ degree in the name of (insert political/social/flavour of the day) correctness destroys our very well being. The only people offended by these ‘contretemps’ are those self righteous, banner waving, self flagellating hypocrites that (over) populate our media.
