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The stuff about £36, kids quid, timing argument is just semantics Mr Griff and TeaBagHead; stop having a ‘man-off’ (a ‘dance-off’ would be more entertaining) – there is no right or wrong on this board…………….it’s all about opinion. We are (should be) all friends on here.
[/i][/size]I’m all for opinions.
I’m also all for people getting facts right when they try to use them to back up an argument.[/quote]
Meh! – semantics as I said.
After having re-read it I thought you both had valid points to make (factual or not is open to opinion).
You chose,as is your style and prerogative, to use a ‘hammer to crack that walnut’ ;)
Now you see…I have a completely different take on all of this – after all we must look at this reasonably, however obtuse (cryptic if you want).
PSKL starts by saying “I do believe schools get a lot of freebie tickets but how many actually get used?”
(or how many get delivered…how many times have you seen 100 copies of the free paper in the ‘cut/canal’ because of a lazy paper boy/girl?)….this actually is a valid and pertinent point which should be addressed later.
This, conveniently, brings me to the database you talk about, Jayt ,(which I must add is a good thing), however, is it being used to it’s full potential? Question…..when the tickets are ‘given’ to the schools, is an audit trail of which schools/tickets are actually used or collected by the club (measured through the turnstiles)? The results of such a survey may uncover a few ‘discrepancies’ by example (and forgive me for playing devils advocate), are the tickets actually being delivered (there are enough businessmen among us to know the rules) and to whom; and how many (as Sephton says his school only received 10 (ish))? Are the conditions of delivery too stringent? (Mr Garswood will testify to the EVC rules (elf n safety to you and me) that schools have to adhere to – we need to give the tickets unconditionally.
Horc raises a good point/observation about paying on the door/turnstile – this must be investigated further (with the right parameters and transparency i.e. gate receipts and attendance figures….)
The stuff about £36, kids quid, timing argument is just semantics Mr Griff and TeaBagHead; stop having a ‘man-off’ (a ‘dance-off’ would be more entertaining) – there is no right or wrong on this board…………….it’s all about opinion. We are (should be) all friends on here.
Further….absurd post of the week (for me) goes to Mr Abramlatic. Sir, you talk about ‘unbelievably’ then go on to ‘suggest’ that the club may be implicated in theft…… Oh dear! (I refer you to your previous post – get on board fella!)
So – to recap……the free tickets! Are they going to the right place, delivered, monitored, audited, responded?
Trust me on this……Is the Headteacher responsive to the receipt of such ‘generosity’? – just look at the Mayor for example (know what I mean?)
It has been said before….(and from my previous/professional life) communication IS key. Big Posters, radio, local paper, bus posters……..is all old hat. We need………No……..demand, exposure to our youth our communities and their families. Television and radio can only do so much….it can’t live among us – we need ‘hands on’, full exposure to the next generation of supporters.Now to throw in the proverbial ‘hand grenade’ into the debate – we agree that to be successful we need a SMALL support team at the DW, and it’s not for me to cast ‘aspersions’, however…..and here comes the conspiracy bit….we also have to admit that we are a ‘town divided’ (some with Cherry aspersions/views) should these people be involved in any part of our promotion process then, although professional, there will always be bias. I’m not advocating a ‘witch hunt’, however, senior managers/supervisors must commit to quality control to make sure everything is ‘above board’. It’s a case of those in the ‘Ivory Towers’ knowing what is happening on the shop floor.
So then Jason…interesting thread eh?
My opinion?…..there are a couple of 5th columnist within, sort them….sort the problem.
Just an opinion…..like.
Actually, now you mention it, I do have a flashing amber hat. Just need to dig out my black and white hooped drainpipes and we’re in!
dont worry niether of you need hats -perhaps a little iodine would make it a bit more realistic.[/quote]
For heavens sake gents….
……..isn’t that what Facebook was invented for?
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I’m disappointed Griff…….especially as you once aspired to the ‘Golden Sceptre’ award for out-of-the-box thinking – maybe someone else can now stand up to the plate.
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There’s a subtle difference bewteen out of the box and off your box, I think Micky ;) [/quote]
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please tell me that my overtly cryptic reply was not wasted on you, it is a style as you know, after all, and I wouldn’t like those close to me to ‘get wind’ as I quite enjoy it at the moment ;) …..however, good response as usual.
You’re not Ian Holloway by any chance are you Micky? I just needed to ask like.I can only aspire to, my friend…….
Sammy…..your failure to understand my cryptic utterings may be a result of your creative thought process. No-one else seems to have a problem, maybe you are used to ‘bantering’ with those of a higher intellect – just a thought like.
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I have to say, I find some of your posts cryptic Micky but I thought I was just being a bit dense :oops: ;) [/quote]I’m disappointed Griff…….especially as you once aspired to the ‘Golden Sceptre’ award for out-of-the-box thinking – maybe someone else can now stand up to the plate.
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Well Micky if I could understand some of your cryptic utterings I’d be in a better position to respond to your claim that I’m talking bo11ocks, but here goes.For all Holloway’s ranting he still turned out a weakened team and he’s trying to say he didn’t. This “Holloway has two teams he likes to play” and “it keeps the other teams and managers guessing” is complete nonsense. He’s only ever played his ‘other’ team once in the league and that was against Villa. They played well, almost got a draw, and gave Holloway the excuse he needed to claim it wasn’t a weakened team. I wonder what excuse he would have used had they been soundly beaten?
I’ll bet Holloway is the first person the media call up for his comments on any controversial football issue. People laugh at what he has to say, they always have, and now he’s in the Premiership spotlight they laugh at him even more. I like Holloway and what he’s achieved with Blackpool, but it’s getting a bit over the top now.
But back to the topic. It’s less of an issue when the smaller clubs field weakened sides. You could argue that Wolves would not be expected to beat Man United at Old Trafford even with a first choice side so what does it matter. Maybe Blackpool would not have done any better at Villa with their first choice team. However, the circumstances surrounding Liverpool fielding a weakened team at Fulham a few years ago was an issue and would be again should a similar scenario occur involving one of the big clubs. The rules have to apply to all.
Sammy…..your failure to understand my cryptic utterings may be a result of your creative thought process. No-one else seems to have a problem, maybe you are used to ‘bantering’ with those of a higher intellect – just a thought like.
However, I still cannot understand how you come to the opinion that what I said about them ‘having two teams’ and ‘keeping other teams and managers guessing’ as nonsense – do you have greater insight to their methodology? More than, say, a long standing Blackpool fan who (like you…….perhaps) has followed his team for some considerable years…….Oh! and call me old fashioned, but didn’t Martinez say the exact same thing about keeping the Premier League ‘guessing’ when he took over the reins here?
No!……you danced past the issue of ridiculing him (as I said there were others before him – and more to come)………he is just the latest ‘media squeeze’ until the first high profile manager gets the chop, then it’s all re-focus and let’s all start calling the next man; this nonsense will have been forgotten but you will still hold the vitriol against a man, a man standing up for what he believes – he may not be as eloquent as Arsene Wenger but his point is put across.
Further, and back on the topic, it would be completely illogical of the Premier League to require clubs to nominate their pool of players – 25 is it not? – but then also go on to punish them for selecting certain combinations from that pool! I also understand it is that by way of a supplement, teams are also allowed to include as many youngsters as they want to. In that context, the opaque notion of a ‘strongest side’ does become unenforceable. If the Premier League wants to protect itself against this new McCarthyism sneaking into the game, they will also have to limit the number of non-squad youth who can play in any one game. It’s unfair to critisise Holloway in this way as he is doing what any other manager is doing and within the rules.
I’ll end by agreeing to disagree with you on this one.
a chum of mine, who lives on the Fylde Coast, tells me of the ‘outrage’ felt in the Blackpool Camp. Holloway has ‘two’ teams he likes to play – and as alluded to earlier, it keeps the other teams and managers guessing. It’s about winning and staying in the premier league for them and Holloway is too much of his own man, and honest to boot, to faf around with stupid tactics.
It’s a pity the team Ian Holloway turned out against Villa last week didn’t get a pasting. The fact they were unlucky not to get a draw has given him an excuse to defend his actions. Holloway is fast becoming a joke. He’s the darling of the media at the moment, always willing to spout out his views on whatever he’s asked and talking cowcrap most of the time. I thought his rant against Wayne Rooney was cringe worthy at the time; it looks downright embarrassing now. So he’s now threatening to resign if Blackpool is fined over him turning out a weakened team. I hope they do just that. We can then see if he’s true to his word.[/quote]
You do talk some bo11lox mate……why on earth was it a pity they didn’t get a pasting – did you see the youngsters Houllier put out as well. After having read several reports on the match Villa were lucky to have taken the three points (and quite a few pundits had Phillips – Blackpool – as their man of the match).
Further….how do you opine that he is fast becoming a joke – Lee Mack makes me laugh but Stephen K Amos doesn’t float my boat that doesn’t mean he’s not an ‘A’ list comedian amongst his professional peer group. Gordon Strachan had a ‘weird’ way of conversing with the media and was just as outspoken – was he classed as a clown or a joke……..no! If Holloway is guilty of anything it’s being caught up in this sh 1ty media hype (several on here – myself included – seem to have been also guilty of). Just because he’s had a ‘pop’ at the pathetic ‘red top’ gutter press/$ky is no need to ridicule him – there have been plenty of top flight managers before him who have done the same….. FFS Fergie still will not speak to the BBC (after how many years) is he too a clown?
Let’s stick to the topic……..not the man…….and (in my opinion) Mr Walkers last mention on this subject is a well balanced view – that I too share
he can pick who he wants from it argument” falls downIt just doesn’t though. He CAN pick who he likes because they are his squad, I’ve just never heard so much nonsense, This league has gone, Unless you are a top 5 or 6 club you don’t count. Is fecking rubbish. Arsene Wenger’s reserves and youths tonked us a couple of years ago. He picked them because he thought they were good enough and they bloody were. The sooner a salary cap is introduced by FIFA the better, Sky will crap themselves and then hopefully the most biased commentary and analysis team in history will go elsewhere, might i suggest ESPN, a la Redknapp, Gray e.t.c
Fair points……well made fella.
bob is going to get it right.if you remember back end of last season when kirkland use to roll it out,pointless passin across the back four,back to kirkland,repeat etc.feel as though we have improved a lot since then,lot better going through midfield,just still slightly missing up front yet,need more of a threat in the box,but i feel as though we are almost there,thats until january comes and we lose half our team! :roll:
Most probably going to lose N’Zogbia and Cleverley. Anyone else, I think we can just about put up with. But we need to bring in suitable replacements for one, if not two of those players. Possibly only N’Zogbia will need to be replaced, as James McCarthy should be due back around then.
I’m stuck for a Premiership based replacement for Charles, so if we are looking at the Championship, how’s about Kris Commons? That James Coppinger of Donny Rovers seems to score a few as well.[/quote]It’s a ‘most probably’ situation, however, what do we need to do to retain the services of the ‘key’ players we have? Charles has listened and is aware of his worth….again, however, his ‘true’ worth/value will only be recognised in the post season window.
The ‘Big’ teams may only dabble, the sensible clubs will retain their stock – if only to cement their standing in this greed league – and those facing relegation will panic buy (in the false hope of survival). Moving on in January benefits no one……Charles, and we all know he is good, will stay til the end of the season because his stock will be so high the ‘big’ club he desires will come calling (unlike the schlong) and comparitive business can be done – I believe that he and the club both know this.
Changing our squad in January, selling/buying, would only damage our chances of retaining the enviable position of p !ssing off MOTD, Lawrenson, $ky, Lineker, Hansen and those in this town in the 80’s who wanted us to curl up and die.
If I hear one more comment about Jordi and how ‘sh one t’ he is – so help me – I’ll swing for someone.
We are – so everyone professes publically – Wigan Athletic – and those without children will not understand………… unconditional love. It drives our soul, our being, our Raison d’etre.
Keeping our playing staff in January should be a priority – at whatever cost.
are you black? :shock:
..and there ends the link. Spoilsport.[/quote]
I see the ‘lunchbox’ is starring in “Celebrity’…… Mrs C seemed to be holding her wool ‘snuggle’ quite close tonight……
maybe we indigenous people/wiganers are the missing ‘link’.
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Most appreciated if anyone has one.
Same height as Haye, and not far off Harrison in weight, but with far less muscle. That a good enough link?[/quote]
Not quite Mr Walker…………..
are you black? :shock:
actually, i type with my mouth shut, and 11 posts make a fence, so shut yer gob you minge.Mr Bean……….
Welcome to the board. I’m sure you have read before you posted. Please ingratiate yourself…….it’s only polite.
Your form of words look familiar……. hmmmm! I maybe tired.
You can’t be saying stuff like that jr, or you’ll be dragged from your bed during the night, put into stocks and ridiculed to an inch of your life.…..and, how exactly Mr Walker, does one get membership to this club? Is it by personal recommendation per chance?………. I’m only asking for a friend, you understand. :shock:
only me and thee here at this ungodly hour -mickyc -you up for the boxing as well ?I don’t know why I keep throwing my money away at $ky – I even had a little flutter on the fourth (damn) – but no doubt the next time a late night sporting event comes on I’ll be a sucker for it again……. :roll:
I see the light Mon, this is the start off better things,im telling thee. :lol: :lol: :lol:
now now lets not get carried away – lets face it if we dont start creating a few more chances,get someone into goal scoring positions,tuck a few away we will still be in the bottom 3 next may.[/quote]
No Sh 1t Sherlock………….
what a master of the understatement/state the bleeding obvious you have become.
It doesn’t take long to get found out does it?
If ‘trolling’ were a sport I’d have you in my reserve/bench team.
Not bad fella……….not bad at all.
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