Sorry you’re right looks like I missed a few off, email now re-sent :oops:

Good idea that, let’s go right back to the start and take away all moving of goal posts and subsequent mysterious riddles

FACT 1 – you typed this

FACT 2 – I was the writer of said ‘preaching’ piece

FACT 3 -you have therefore called me a ‘crew/lad/hooligan’

FACT 4 – I have told you that I am not a hooligan

FACT 5 – Several people on here have told you that I am not a hooligan

FACT 6 – you have not proved that I am a hooligan

FACT 7 – no-one else has supported your view that I am a hooligan

I consider this to be a character slur (thanks jungle) on me personally. It has absolutely nothing to do with the fanzine.

This is about what you called me as per the above facts.

No need to deviate or change the subject.

The facts are above, have you got any of your own to back up what you said or are you going to admit you got it wrong?

I’m not answerable to you and don’t really feel the need to answer you until you have the decency to give me an apology for slurring my good character.

I will however point out a few more things all of which will make your little crusade even more futile. These points run very sequentially I think you’ll find….

1. What on earth has Andy Coulson got to do with me? I’d suggest it has more to do with you as I’m sure his former newspaper had been done for slander the odd time and at the moment you have slandered me and don’t seem to be able to wriggle your way out of it.

2. Andy Coulson was editor of the News of the World for several years. I have no doubt that over the five years that he was editor of the News of the World that he, as editor published stories about murder and all manner of other criminality, maybe even included stories and case studies from football hooligans telling tales of past glories or gangsters serialising their days of pomp. It does not mean he endorses it nor does it make him a murderer, hooligan, gangster etc.

I suggest if you feel that it does, you go down to the local Waterstones with a pen and a big pad and write down the name of everyone who has written a crime biog about a gangster or murderer, indeed anything at all which advocates any form of criminality and take their names to the police station to have them prosecuted for the crimes they have written about, in fact if you’re going to be consistent go to the publishers and get the whole company incarcerated for publishing these books if you feel so strongly about this.

Good luck with that by the way

3. In every magazine I have ever edited it has contained the following paragraphs at the beginning of every issue:
The views contained within are those of the individuals and not necessarily those of the Cockney Latic/Mudhutter (delete as applicable)

4. Can you clarify whether the problem over which you seem to be taking the supremely moral high ground is regarding content published in:

a) the Mudhutter (of which I have been the editor of four 6 years, 29 issues published, 2004 – 2010)
b) the Cockney Latic (of which I was editor of for 5 years, 46 issues 1999-2004) or
c) both

Please consider before attempting to give an answer to the above that I was editor of both magazines and both magazines had 90% of the same contributors

Also, that I have absolutely tons of articles that may or may not have condoned what you might call ‘hooliganism activity’ for BOTH magazines and won’t hesitate to pull something from both set of archives I currently have hanging from my key ring on a little pen drive thingy.

You see, I have the evidence, you just keep sounding off without having any discernable back up at all

5. Finally, if you accept the truth highlighted in point 4, namely that their has been very little difference in both magazine contents throughout their time (and if you don’t let me know why and I will gladly upload and scan a copy of the old CL to prove it if need be) can I ask what on earth you have been doing posting on this website for so long given that you disapprove so vehemently with the content of the magazine/fanzine it takes it’s name from?

That would make you (as well as a liar) a really, really big hypocrite :roll:

As ever, think carefully before you respond and try and retain what little credibility you have left

Whoa hang on, the man knocks about with terrorists, if he calls me a hooligan then I’m prepared to become one ;)

I first started going in 2005 because a mate told me Bolton were in town, I rounded up fifty or so of my best lads and got on the blower to their top boy, fronted them up in Wigan Park and stoved all their heads in with a flat iron ;)

You accused me of being a hooligan, no not just a hooligan – a leader of a hooligan ‘firm’

The only thing I accused you of is being a liar for saying this

So prove I’m a hooligan and prove you’re not a liar

Dead easy. Take as long as you like

Cheers Griff, I was happy to let it lie but having thought about it, I don’t think I should ;)

Whoa steady Jay (and Griff) I’m blushing here :oops:

I don’t pretend to be anything other than a fan who likes writing. And the only thing I can write about is Latics.

I’m not bothered if people disagree with my stuff but to dismiss it all as drivel without any reason as to why it is (in their erudite opinion) drivel is a bit bewildering and is probably more down to where it’s come from/who’s written it rather than what it actually says

There’s a lot of water gone under the bridge and certain things I regret about the last few years since I moved away from this site which I’m not going to go over now. I’ve made mistakes, done things I regret and if I had my time again and all that but certainly me, Jay & John get on so why all the animosity elsewhere.

Nor am I proud if there has been a ‘them and us’ attitude between certain factions on Mudhuts and here at times, it’s something I’ve tried to distance myself from all the more so now that the football club needs it’s fans to stick together.

As I said in the piece, the site admins all know each other and work together when it’s called for, these are the people who do all the work and give people the opportunity to sound off at each other, so why the forum participants can’t bury hatchets I don’t know. Yes I know certain people off the Mudhuts site have stirred it but they are by no means the only ones, personally I just want to move on.

And yes I’ve had a go at our fans but some of them deserve it to be honest e.g. Wednesday night when Al Habsi threw the ball out to Caldwell who miscontrolled and it rolled straight into touch.
Bloke near me shouts: “Bloody hell Martinez”
Like it’s his fault!!!**

**I expect LMB to now point out that it was Martinez’s instruction for the keeper to throw the ball out ;) but you get the point

I feel I must apologise now for not being a superfan like you as I have not been going since 1978, most probably because I was 4 years old.

I started going in the mid 80’s and I reckon from 1987-91 missed no more than half a dozen games (for 2 seasons running the only game I missed was Aldershot away as I couldn’t get time off school). I was at Bournemouth when we got relegated and the coffin was carried around the away end. I was at the Plymouth home game the week before when Peter Shilton was in the nets and I was at the game Vat mentioned at West Brom when Bob Taylor banged in a hat trick (I think)

I’ve been to night away games at Gillingham, Southend & Fulham when there were less than 50 Latics fans in the away end. I’ve served my time on the Supporters Club coach, by car and train and Darren Todd’s Elite Travel Club (remember than one eh loudmouth?) but hey I’m starting to sound like you now so I’ll shut up.

As I’ve said elsewhere it doesn’t make me a single bit better than anyone else and I wouldn’t have brought it up at all only that you did…

Except to say that lots of other people who write for the fanzine can and do also write very eloquently about such periods and the non league days and frequently do, so we’re either all a bunch of liars (and it’s a bit of a risk to put lies in print, it kind of invites libel action) or you’re lying again loudmouth……incidentally 3 of our contributors are in their 20’s so quite how they were supposed to be there when we were at our lowest ebb I don’t know as they were probably in nappies. I’ve not even met a few of our contributors, so much for the elitist theory

By your logic it seems that because the article covered a period of our success, this therefore means that me, the author and everyone associated with Mudhutter, whether they be in their 20’s or 50’s was never there?? Now who’s generalising

The article was specifically describing the rise and fall of the club, the rise beginning a couple of years after Whelan joined and we moved to the DW. I can talk to you about the Kenny Swain years (why it’s even mentioned in that article that I sent my train tickets from a game away at Colchester to Kenny Swain after we’d got gubbed 3-1 out of frustration) and I can talk about the John Deehan Championship season but that wasn’t what the article was about.

Did you expect me to write about every game I’ve ever been to, which must run to a thousand or two over 25 years just so that I can satisfy you that I was there?

Even in the 4th div championship season we only got 4,000 on most weeks, the rise really began when we moved to the DW and part of the fun was that Arky started to run coaches for like minded folk, some of whom enjoyed a nice social drink as part of the day out. It’s only relevant because they were good times after a few years in the doldrums

After all this mr loudmouth, you know what if you turn up and support them just as I do and indeed you have done for much longer than me I’m in no position to preach to you, or indeed anyone who goes, even though I find your one dimensional argument a bit droll and repetitive. You pay your money, you’re entitled to your opininon, I hope but cannot guarantee that Bob turns things round and wins over even his harshest of critics like yourself.

The whole article was based around the 16,000 home fans who turned up in our first Premier League season who are now down to 10,000. This worries and frustrates me -and yes the football worries and frustrates me and I have been critical of the manager, I just don’t see an alternative to Roberto Martinez mainly because I have ten times the awareness you have of the financial circumstances under which he is operating so I will support him because the alternative (a Dowie or a return of Paul Jewell dare I say) it simply wouldn’t work at this football club any more