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Now that’s funny, how in the hell do you know what the rest of us do for a living, you two great mates?
The fact that the Bank of England and all the major financiers say stay in Europe or we’ll face rapid economic decline or how long trade agreements take doesn’t matter, listen to LHL he’s been to the Volvo factory
I can raise you your Volvo btw
Are you one of those blokes that steal a living from BAE Systems
Thanks HORC,
I only act daft at the weekend; I guess that’s a relief valve from all the serious stuff that I have to deal with during working hours.
Well JR, I have you down as one of the most sensible posters on this site; so let me put it to you like this:
Ambition is what made this country so great, ambition is what made Dave Whelan a success, and that ambition took Wigan Athletic to it’s pinnacle. People with ambition are not deterred by safety first, are not deterred by negativity, are not people who allow others to make the decisions for them. Ambition is only feared by the competition, in an attempt to supress supremacy. Time and time again this is repeated throughout history. It’s about time we let our ambition shape our destiny. VOTE OUT !
Ambition is wonderful, but what are you backing it up with?
There’s a strong possibility that we’ll lose our pitch in the market-place.
We lack raw materials.
We import more than we export.
Our work-force is too expensive and raw materials too inaccessible to compete with other countries.
Most of our famous brands are owned by overseas companies.
If we pull out of the EU, many overseas companies that base their European headquarters here will move them elsewhere.
That’s my take on it.
But, go on. A genuine question: how will we fulfil this ambition? (see, no insults)[/quote]
Standish W, your logic is flawed,
Out of Europe, our pitch has suddenly become much larger and we will be able to negotiate directly with trading countries, rather than taking what the European Government negotiate on our behalf.
Raw materials: our raw materials have basically been sourced on a global basis for a very long time; most of which come from outside Europe. for example, most of our coal now comes from South America or Russia.
As a well established importer we are actually in a strong negotiating position, given that the state of the global economy lends itself to a Buyers market, and will do so for several years. Countries aren’t doing us a favour by selling us their products; they need our money and money talks. Do a simple sanity check, and check the provenance of everything that your household purchases in the next month; and I guess that the majority will originate from outside of Europe.
Labour rates & materials. Your argument does not apply in the whole. When products are labour intensive to produce, buyers naturally gravitate to low cost labour territories. A good example of this is the rag trade. However, in manufacturing, mechanisation is the key and it is the technology and ingenuity that you find in our well developed country that is able to reverse that trend by developing sophisticated processes that keep labour input to an absolute minimum. Good examples of this are high volume injection mouldings & electronics. As a Global Commodity Manager I have countless examples of this during a career working for several Blue Chip Companies. Also, a high proportion of basic raw materials are traded globally as commodities and you will find very little price differential across the markets. Again, this comes from my experience of purchasing base resins from a world wide market. Just forgot to mention, when I worked for Volvo I had the pleasure of visiting one of their factories that produce 12 Lt diesel engines; at a rate of 24,000 per year with a work force of 20 employees.
There are still plenty of UK Brands that don’t rely on foreign investment; ie JCB, Barbour, Burberry, McClaren Technology,Dyson,Clarks,etc Ask yourself why foreign investors want to get their hands on our prestigious brands in the first place ?
Companies will come and leave the UK as they chase access to low cost territories via the UK as a stepping stone. Good examples of this tend to be American; Caterpillar & Terex are two such examples who use our trading links to sell product into developing countries where they find access difficult. So yes companies may choose to leave, but they will inevitably be replaced by others with new motives for using the UK as a platform. Whichever way, I wouldn’t anticipate a knee jerk reaction, because the cost of upheaval could far outweigh the actual benefit !
Voting out is a vote of confidence in this great nation, in the fortitude of it’s proud people to succeed. It’s a bit like supporting the underdog that is “little Wigan Athletic”. How good does success feel; you know what I mean.
That said my VOTE OUT is based on years of global experience in a high integrity manufacturing arena,that is the World, and which the “little UK” strive to maintain their position at No 5.
I’ve been offered a deal. Apparently, if i let a bloke take £350 out of my bank account each week, he’s going to give me vouchers worth £180, which i can only spend on things he’s decided i can have, at shops which he’s also decided for me.
In return he is allowing me fishing rights in my private lake (and lets me keep a few fish a year) he’s going to let me buy things from his friends and family (German cars, French wine etc) His friends and family can also come and see me whenever they feel like it, and i can send pocket money to his children back home.
He also states that my taxes and NHS treatment go to his mates residing in this country that haven’t contributed!
Now should i accept this offer, (or anything similar?)
Ps. That’s completely inaccurate.
The top three countires of origin for immigrants into UK are India, Pakistan and Poland – so only one is in EU.
And 61% of those arriving into UK already have a job before they get here.
But let’s not allow the facts to get in the way etc etc.[/quote]
Is that really something to take positives from? That means 39% are coming into our country to make a negative impact on our economy. The 61% obviously have jobs that our own fellow countrymen could have.
Cameron has been using these employment figures not just for this referendum, but for the Tory campaign as well. Although on the plus side, 80% of the 61% are on minimum wage or below.
Traditionally our university / college students and young people in general have filled the low paid jobs in order to get a bit of money together out of term time, or as a filler in until they get something better, no chance now.This is just one issue, there are loads more, but there has been nobody and I mean nobody, from Bleave or Brexit who has sold either option to me. You mention facts, when in reality, there are no facts. Politicians and financial gurus are second guessing what will happen if we leave, that’s all they can do.
I suppose this vote to stay or leave is akin to investing your savings. Do you protect your banked money and get just a small interest return, or do you take a chance on the market, to potentially get a far bigger return, but with the added risk of it going paps up.
There’s part of me saying that things in this country are currently moving in the wrong direction at the moment,so lets take a chance. I’m at that stage in my life where I own everything I’ve got, I have my sights on retirement so what the eck. The other part of me is looking at my kids and grand kids and thinking, what does the future hold?, this vote will shape their future.
I honestly don’t know how I will vote, but what I do know, is that this can be debated all night long but there is nobody on CL that will convince me one way or the other. :blink:[/quote]Well JR, I have you down as one of the most sensible posters on this site; so let me put it to you like this:
Ambition is what made this country so great, ambition is what made Dave Whelan a success, and that ambition took Wigan Athletic to it’s pinnacle. People with ambition are not deterred by safety first, are not deterred by negativity, are not people who allow others to make the decisions for them. Ambition is only feared by the competition, in an attempt to supress supremacy. Time and time again this is repeated throughout history. It’s about time we let our ambition shape our destiny. VOTE OUT !
I thought that was it on the little cobbled footpath going over the bridge towards Wigan Pier. Must admit though, I’ve never seen photos of Billy B with a flat cap on, so was a bit dubious. Well, George Formby’s statue is in the streets of Douglas / IOM; so Billy Boston wouldn’t be out of place at Tesco in Wigan.
Still no Will, not even for a few minutes. :(Would be nice if he popped the winner in against Germany :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Not bad but remember today he is only playing against England. In a league game against better players he may not quite be as good. Reading havnt given him another contract.Hey Donny, what were you doing down Ulnes Walton lane earlier ?
Going for a crafty shag ?
You’ve been rumbled :woohoo:http://www.cowleygroves.com/property/6-hutchinson-square-douglas-im2-4hu/
Snip, for seven bedrooms.
When the UK government can’t help it’s own industries without the sanction of the European Parliament; it’s time to leave !!!
When the UK is threatened to be sued by the EU for bringing in the same rules as the rest of the member countries already have it is definitely time to leave.[/quote]
Yet another nail on the head, Ste aka Nuneaton.
I’ve been offered a deal. Apparently, if i let a bloke take £350 out of my bank account each week, he’s going to give me vouchers worth £180, which i can only spend on things he’s decided i can have, at shops which he’s also decided for me.In return he is allowing me fishing rights in my private lake (and lets me keep a few fish a year) he’s going to let me buy things from his friends and family (German cars, French wine etc) His friends and family can also come and see me whenever they feel like it, and i can send pocket money to his children back home.
He also states that my taxes and NHS treatment go to his mates residing in this country that haven’t contributed!
Now should i accept this offer, (or anything similar?)
Nail on the head, Mr Bullitt
When the UK government can’t help it’s own industries without the sanction of the European Parliament; it’s time to leave !!!
We have been in the EEC for 43 years and has it been absolute bliss ?
We have see our manufacturing industry decline.
We have had several recessions & endless austerity.
Pension funds have been eroded.
NHS waiting lists grown out of control.
Etc, etc.Do you want more of the same; or do you want to strive for better ?
Stay in and it’s the same old shit; vote out and roll our sleeves up and prove what a fantastic country we are, and make a fist of it.
