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Half his head is bleached blond, and the other half jet black. He played sh-it too. Does he like a bit of uphill gardening?
We have recently developed a ‘bog standard’ player. He is called Leighton Baines. (Yes, he is a Liverpool born lad, but under the Scunthorpe/Clemence Law, he qualifies)Before that we have had Peter Atherton, Warren Aspinall, and Gary Walsh. All local lads who started their careers at Wigan, and who all played in the top division.
Ok, so in the last 20 years you have produced one player. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure Gary Walsh was a product of the Man Utd academy, as I remember playing cricket against him for Poolstock back in the 80s, and being utterly amazed to see him in goal for Man Utd a few years later.
Its now 5 years since Wigan entered the premiership, and 7 years since you entered the Championship, and became a more established football club. Where are the Wigan kids that were talented footballers as 10 and 11 year olds in 2003? I dont see them in any other top flight side.
I asked in an earlier thread about home-grown players, and the responses I got (apart from the irrelevent rugby-related ones) suggested to me that you have no talented up and coming youngsters, and no half-decent players out on loan at other clubs to gain experience.
You say you dont have an academy. Once upon a time Newcastle didnt even have a reserve side, and look at the sh-it they are in. Leeds also had the “We can always buy players” approach too. It only lasts for so long with that approach, then it all comes tumbling down like a house of cards.
As a Wiganer, I would like you to do well, however I am realistic and know that if a foundation is laid properly, the house will eventually come crashing down. Your club needs to start developing players from scratch rather than buying imports and flogging them on at a profit, as for every jewel, there’ll be half a dozen turds.
Hmm Ian Botham played for Scunthorpe but to my knowledge there has never been a major international sports star from that particular town. Kevin Keegan was born in Donny if that helps our fat fingered egg chasing lurkerI don’t really understand why there should be so much pride in Wigan producing so many international rugby league players, there aren’t really internationals at all. You can only really call yourself an international if your sport is played internationally and rugby league is only taken seriously in 3 or 4 countries. Can you really call it a World Cup when 99% of the world doesn’t play it? It’s like saying the Spanish are world champion bullfighters or Ireland produces the best Gaelic footballers. The Great Britain team don’t really represent GB either, they represent the hand ful of towns who bother to play the game. When noone else plays it, the sentiment is quite meaningless. I mean, why would somewhere like Birmingham or Newcastle produce international RL Stars when they don’t even play the game? Where else other than Wigan, St Helens, Warrington Hull Bradford or Leeds would a RL player come from? They barely play it anywhere else
The cheese rollers in Gloucestershire will be claiming to be international cheese rollers next :roll:
I think Rogues was talking about players who played for Scunny – he never said “born”. Ray Clemence also played for Scunthorpe.
Small steps. At the moment, you have nobody in your first team that is a product of your youth system/academy (Do you have one?), so before you develop an international, how about developing a bog-standard premiership footballer.
Based on you having 16000 Wigan “fans” last Sunday, and the excuses given for non attendance were based on it being a Sunday game then I’d be disappointed if there were not 23000, particularly with your £30 for 3 games, and ST bring a mate for a quid.
And of course, there’ll be Sunderland fans in the South Stand too.
Should be a cracking atmosphere – shame I’ll be slumming it in Madrid that weekend.
Just made me smile that a picture of an empty visitors’ end is on the front page of this site, and so many were poking fun at Fulham’s away following.
Its like two identical twins squabbling over a toy. :lol:
Will he score before Xmas?No
Hopefully thats me tempting the inevitable
He’s a poor man’s Heskey. And he doesnt score many either!
However, having said that I reckon he’s now nailed on to score against my lot on 28 Nov!!!
I’m a bit surprised nobody has mentioned:
Beating Chelsea in the FA Cup.
Beating Chelsea in the League Cup.
Drawing at Chelsea in the FA Cup (shame about the replay!)
Everton in the FA Cup.
Beating Port Vale 5-3 after being 3-0 down.
First promotion (was it v Walsall?).or are these a bit too far back for most folk on here?
Baggsy sitting next to smuttydog ;)I shall be spending from Thursday onwards in Spain (its a sh!tty job but someone had to do it!!), so you’ll have to sit next to someone else, and worse still, I’ll miss the game on 28 November. Not even a free ticket would tempt me from a month in Spain on expenses!!
Its good to hear of professional clubs supporting the Armed Forces. Last week at the Stadium of Light, the teams entered to a guard of honour from the army, and there were also collections going on for Help For Heroes.
Thankyou for your input regarding empty seats at the DW, but it is totally irrelevent to the question I asked.
FYI, I have followed Sunderland FC since the mid-80’s. We have the Academy of Light for around 7 years that is now beginning to produce young players of a sufficient standard to hold their own. Grant Leadbitter were the first to make it to the first team, and although he didnt set the world on fire, he was sold on at the start of this season. Currently we have Martyn Waghorn on loan at Leicester and Jack Colback at Ipswich. Last season, numerous youngsters were loaned out to the likes of Carlisle, Southend, Leicester. Jordan Henderson has just broken into the first team under Bruce.
So, I’ll ask again – how is your youth policy standing up with the need to produce home-grown talent? Have you got any stars of the future playing in the CCC/L1 this season?
(And if you really feel like answering, please keep it on-topic, as the moderators dont like me talking about rugby)
Well Smutty…..we could always take a leaf out of the Chubbies book and break the rules in order to cheat the system I suppose??Your Avitar is cool – is that when the cherry and whale played one of those teams on the M62? Is that you and your boyfriend?
Amazing – you manage to bring rugby into a serious question. Maybe you’d be better researching what reserve/youth team players you are developing and loaning out to CCC clubs before this rule comes in, and give a sensible answer to a sensible question.
Thanks for the comments about my avitar – but it was not taken from a rugby game. Do those TWO spectators amongst a mass of empty seats really look fat enough to be rugby fans?
A very disappointing programme last night. Surprisingly, the 2 day strike by postal workers got overlooked in favour of questions purely about the BNP. Of course all the others would gang up on Griffin, just as all the others would gang up if every question was related to individual Labour/Tory/Lib Dem policies.
I thought that Griffin did reasonably well, considering the outright hostility from around the table, including the presenter. His comments about the parts of Islam that are degrading to women was spot on, as was his comments about us keeping our noses out of Iran’s affairs. I also noted that he was quite adamant that the asian british guy who asked what would happen to him under their immigration system would be welcome to stay in the country of his birth.
Obviously, some of the things he said were complete toss – particularly the weasly way of trying to wriggle out of the holocaust issue, however Gordon Brown recently wriggled out of answering what biscuit he prefers to dunk in his cup of tea, so its hardly the first time a politician has failed to answer the question!
Would I vote for them – Hell no, but I for one think that some of his views are spot on.
This bloke brought it into the ground…
