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Is that really something to take positives from? That means 39% are coming into our country to make a negative impact on our economy. The 61% obviously have jobs that our own fellow countrymen could have.
Cameron has been using these employment figures not just for this referendum, but for the Tory campaign as well. Although on the plus side, 80% of the 61% are on minimum wage or below.
Traditionally our university / college students and young people in general have filled the low paid jobs in order to get a bit of money together out of term time, or as a filler in until they get something better, no chance now.This is just one issue, there are loads more, but there has been nobody and I mean nobody, from Bleave or Brexit who has sold either option to me. You mention facts, when in reality, there are no facts. Politicians and financial gurus are second guessing what will happen if we leave, that’s all they can do.
I suppose this vote to stay or leave is akin to investing your savings. Do you protect your banked money and get just a small interest return, or do you take a chance on the market, to potentially get a far bigger return, but with the added risk of it going paps up.
There’s part of me saying that things in this country are currently moving in the wrong direction at the moment,so lets take a chance. I’m at that stage in my life where I own everything I’ve got, I have my sights on retirement so what the eck. The other part of me is looking at my kids and grand kids and thinking, what does the future hold?, this vote will shape their future.
I honestly don’t know how I will vote, but what I do know, is that this can be debated all night long but there is nobody on CL that will convince me one way or the other. :blink:JR, see my post after that. 85% are classed as employed – therefore they get jobs soon after they arrive.
92% of benefits are claimed by British people.
Well JR, I have you down as one of the most sensible posters on this site; so let me put it to you like this:Ambition is what made this country so great, ambition is what made Dave Whelan a success, and that ambition took Wigan Athletic to it’s pinnacle. People with ambition are not deterred by safety first, are not deterred by negativity, are not people who allow others to make the decisions for them. Ambition is only feared by the competition, in an attempt to supress supremacy. Time and time again this is repeated throughout history. It’s about time we let our ambition shape our destiny. VOTE OUT !
Ambition is wonderful, but what are you backing it up with?
There’s a strong possibility that we’ll lose our pitch in the market-place.
We lack raw materials.
We import more than we export.
Our work-force is too expensive and raw materials too inaccessible to compete with other countries.
Most of our famous brands are owned by overseas companies.
If we pull out of the EU, many overseas companies that base their European headquarters here will move them elsewhere.
That’s my take on it.
But, go on. A genuine question: how will we fulfil this ambition? (see, no insults)
Apologies, but you’re the thick one that cannot grasp the situation. What do you call a bunch of Dictators, because the European Parliament are fast developing in that direction. Take Back Control and put the Great back into Great Britain. There are at least five other nations who are watching GB with much interest and will be the next to follow our lead. That’s what Britain do best, we are leaders not followers !A Dictator is the sole ruler with absolute power. They are usually unopposed and have no democratic successor.
Therefore, you can’t have more than one dictator in a single parliament.
The European Parliament are elected, and can be unelected.
But I’m betting you already knew this?
And who’s calling who thick? I never mentioned that word, only that you didn’t seem to understand what I was saying.
Papa; ignore Standish W**ker, he’s in a time warp, yon mon :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy:Standish W**ker.
Very good that. Original.
Do you know what The Standish Walker was?
Thanks for that Standish. Could be a Billy Big Bollocks then thinking he is above Reading.That’s what I thought.
He’d be a very signing in my opinion but I think he rates himself a little bit too highly.
I’ve been offered a deal. Apparently, if i let a bloke take £350 out of my bank account each week, he’s going to give me vouchers worth £180, which i can only spend on things he’s decided i can have, at shops which he’s also decided for me.
In return he is allowing me fishing rights in my private lake (and lets me keep a few fish a year) he’s going to let me buy things from his friends and family (German cars, French wine etc) His friends and family can also come and see me whenever they feel like it, and i can send pocket money to his children back home.
He also states that my taxes and NHS treatment go to his mates residing in this country that haven’t contributed!
Now should i accept this offer, (or anything similar?)
Pakistan is also a member of the Commonwealth.
Ps. That’s completely inaccurate.
The top three countires of origin for immigrants into UK are India, Pakistan and Poland – so only one is in EU.
And 61% of those arriving into UK already have a job before they get here.
But let’s not allow the facts to get in the way etc etc.[/quote]
India is part of the Commonwealth so I have no problem with Indian Nationals having settled here.
If the figure of 61% having already attained employment over here was a lot nearer100% then that too would be acceptable. Its the 49% who are allowed to come to our Country as economical migrants that I have reservations about.
I know the rules are the same for us, and we could do the same and go to Hungary and Poland etc, but would that interest that many British?
I am also okay with migrants escaping terror in their homeland, but the majotity appear to be young fit men, not women and children who are most at risk. The inbalance is worrying and I think that is what most people have a problem with.
Some say that the migrants are here taking jobs, that is bollox as most are here doing jobs anyone can put in for, but can’t be arsed. If the unemployed of this country were made to take the jobs, then there would be far fewer opportunities over here for the migrants to take advantage of.
Overall I think if Britain was to sort itself out this vote would not have come about as the migrant problem does appear to be a major part of it.
There are many other reasons for voting for or against, and I was on the fence for a while, but due to the bullying and scaremongering by the remain campaign, they have made my mind up totally, and I will be voting OUT.[/quote]Pakistan is also a member of the Commonwealth. So the rules for Indians coming into the UK apply to people from Pakistan in equal measure.
And though I agree that in an ideal world 100% of people coming into the UK would have a job before they get here, 85% of Indian migrants in UK are classed as employed, and 80% of EU migrants – so it suggests that they soon find work when they get here.
Plus, on the benefits issue, of all the people who claim benefits, 2.5% are from other EU countries, 5% are from outside EU and 92.5% of benefit claimants are British.
I was also on the fence for a while, but the comments being banded about regarding migrants don’t seem to stack up, and the Leave campaign don’t have anything else to offer.
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*Round of applause.
Awaits the obligatory ‘But it’s what our granddads fought for’ comment*
(*Note: it’s not. They fought for peace in Western Europe – and that’s exactly what the EU has given us)[/quote]
Nowt to do with Dictatorship then ?[/quote]
Of course it’s because there are no dictatorships, facist uprisings etc, but it’s being part of a united Europe that prevents that happening.[/quote]A dictatorship can be a person or a political entity; so you had better think again.[/quote]
You’re not getting this are you?If a dictator suddenly appeared in one of the EU countries and took control of that country, what do you think the rest of the EU would do?
Not bad but remember today he is only playing against England. In a league game against better players he may not quite be as good. Reading havnt given him another contract.Reading offered him a contract but he turned them down.
By all accounts he’s looking for a bigger club.
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*Round of applause.
Awaits the obligatory ‘But it’s what our granddads fought for’ comment*
(*Note: it’s not. They fought for peace in Western Europe – and that’s exactly what the EU has given us)[/quote]
Nowt to do with Dictatorship then ?[/quote]
Of course it’s because there are no dictatorships, facist uprisings etc, but it’s being part of a united Europe that prevents that happening.I’ve been offered a deal. Apparently, if i let a bloke take £350 out of my bank account each week, he’s going to give me vouchers worth £180, which i can only spend on things he’s decided i can have, at shops which he’s also decided for me.In return he is allowing me fishing rights in my private lake (and lets me keep a few fish a year) he’s going to let me buy things from his friends and family (German cars, French wine etc) His friends and family can also come and see me whenever they feel like it, and i can send pocket money to his children back home.
He also states that my taxes and NHS treatment go to his mates residing in this country that haven’t contributed!
Now should i accept this offer, (or anything similar?)
Ps. That’s completely inaccurate.
The top three countires of origin for immigrants into UK are India, Pakistan and Poland – so only one is in EU.
And 61% of those arriving into UK already have a job before they get here.
But let’s not allow the facts to get in the way etc etc.
I’ve been offered a deal. Apparently, if i let a bloke take £350 out of my bank account each week, he’s going to give me vouchers worth £180, which i can only spend on things he’s decided i can have, at shops which he’s also decided for me.In return he is allowing me fishing rights in my private lake (and lets me keep a few fish a year) he’s going to let me buy things from his friends and family (German cars, French wine etc) His friends and family can also come and see me whenever they feel like it, and i can send pocket money to his children back home.
He also states that my taxes and NHS treatment go to his mates residing in this country that haven’t contributed!
Now should i accept this offer, (or anything similar?)
Or alternatively you can tell him to stick it.
But the rest of your neighbours probably won’t speak to you if you do, and they probably won’t let you visit their houses unannounced like you have done in the past.
Also, your big brash mate who lives on the other side of the fishing pond has already said he’s not likely to be as friendly with you if you unfriend your other neighbours.
And as you own a shop, you’re not sure if your neighbours will want to use your shop, and likewise your big brash mate is also likely to use the shops owned by your neighbours more than yours.
Lots of uncertainty. But at least if you stick with the man taking £350 from your account you know what you’re dealing with, and you have the security of being part of a bigger community.
The leave vote intrigues me as to where people get their ideas from.I’d love to know what voters are expecting should they leave, I haven’t heard one single thing that rings true or makes that vote sound like the correct one.
What do you think it will do for your job, your industry and the economy as a whole, seeing as the pound is already falling like a stone, as the vote to leave voice becomes louder. Within minutes of a leave vote the pound will be worth less than the Euro, unthinkable. Should we stay it will rise to around 1.5 Euros to the pound. Think how that affects this summers holiday abroad and those in the future.
So far, taking the politicians and the newspaper you read out of this, the experts in all fields that matter to the vote are in agreement that a vote to leave is the wrong choice. Whether you like them or not, the financial power house banks in the city of London will have their power diluted and a lot of this power will transfer to central Europe, which is what Germany etc have been after for years, shrinking our financial clout and damaging the economy further.
The vote from the NHS is to stay in, yet Boris and his gang are stating a lot of the money we send to Brussels will be re-invested in the NHS so why would the NHS think that’s not a good idea? Maybe because there’s never an actual figure?Workers Unions? Well there may as well be no Unions if we go out of Europe, how many low paid, semi skilled workers do you know who rely on the Unions for their rights? May as well dig Maggie up.
Immigration, no figures whatsoever from the leavers, just that we’ll control our own borders. We do that anyway but we do it from Calais, do you think that will continue if we leave?
One thing is for sure, if we take the risk on leaving and it doesn’t pay off, the likes of Boris & his chums won’t be affected but we will, definitely.
As it happens I think eventually we would get by on our own but it’s not worth the risk of the undoubted pain we’d go through for a number of years to get there and even then who’s to say we won’t end up like Norway or Switzerland (incidentally who have huge immigration for a variety of reasons) paying £9 a pint.
*Round of applause.
Awaits the obligatory ‘But it’s what our granddads fought for’ comment*
(*Note: it’s not. They fought for peace in Western Europe – and that’s exactly what the EU has given us)
In thought England played very well. They did almost everything right apart from score.
Had some decent chances, and could easily have been 2 or 3 nil up.
I don’t think you can blame the manager, and I think nine times out of ten they’d have dealt with that ball into the box for the Russian goal.
Plus, I think Hart’s positioning was a bit suspect.
If they play like that again on Thursday they’ll be fine.
I know it makes sense. Even bought on the drip it is brilliant value. Hope the sales are going well. Need to know your seat numbers so to get one near you. I have never sat in my match day ticket spot yet. Wander round depending on which way we are kicking but yours is a decent spot for when we are kicking towards the south stand. So if its second half kicking towards the south then I will have a decent spot reserved.[/
R84 & R85 in the West Stand.[/quote]
You’re not far in front of me Horc :lol:
Griff lurks behind us :woohoo:[/quote]
Do you sit near to that old bloke who holds the side of his head when he screams at the referee / Caldwell etc?
