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Would agree with you on that. Edman starts, Figueroa on the bench – which in all honestly is what I’d prefer whether or not he stays.
Edman is a better defender, and although Figueroa is better going forward, his final ball is often woeful.
Oh, here you go, here is a barrel for you to spread-eagle yourself over, Mr Whelan[/quote]
Succinctly put Griff!
There’s absolutely nothing we can do about it. I know I’ll get cut down for saying it, but Sunderland are a more established club than Wigan, and offer a more attractive proposition to a player.
When is the last time you heard about a Wigan player leaving the club kicking and screaming after being forced out, or a player rejecting a move and opting to pledge his future to us?
Sunderland can pay more money per week, and have a more realistic chance of qualifying for European football – albeit sometime in the future.
If they want to go, they’ll go, and I’d put money on Figueroa not being a Wigan player by the end of the transfer window.Agree Canvey Island but look what happened after that in was onwards and upwards,gossip has it that Whelan went into the drssing room after that game and told all the senior pro’s that Jewell was the man and they could all f*** off.On talk sport yesterday they aired the interview with Ian Holloway who said his players listened to him ,but all the touchline instructions from Martinez were seemed to be ignored by Wigan players either they could not understand or prepared to ignore make your own conclusion, but is there a troublemaker in the camp?
Wrong mate, that was after the Wrexham defeat in the auto-windscreens, or whatever it was called then.
Perhaops, now is the time for him to visit the dressing room again.
Knowing nothing about it at all, but if I had to pick a nigger* in the woodpile, I would point the finger at Scharner. Totally unfounded accusation of course, but that would be my guess if I had to pick one.
* can you still use that phrase?[/quote]
In response, no you can’t unless you are of Afro-Caribbean origin yourself, and/or fluent in jive* (*circa 1980 – see the movie ‘Airplane’ for working examples)
Would agree that Scharner may be the bad apple, but we also have a never-been-happy-since- I-arrived Kapo, and happy-slapper King in camp.
You forgot to throw in the name of an odd old palyer or two, and say that Bramble, Kirkland, Melchiot etc are not fit to lace their boots etc.
(1) Whelan doesnt have the money that MAF has
(2) And Bolton’s team is better where exactly? They sold Anelka so what’s the difference?
(3) Players come Players go…so what?
(4) I doubt that we would get an extra 3000 fans if we bought Ronaldo for £100M – I am a season ticket holder and always have been – I think lower attendances are due to people being skint, free T.V. in pubs and also the late commers to latics – they have never thought about putting money aside for a season ticket because they never had to, unlike me who always puts money aside ;)
(5) So what you are saying is invest all of the money for the sake of it? Why?….I recon Whelan is creating a nice nest egg for when he leaves us in the same way Jack Walker did for Blackburn….who actualy thinks we would suvive a season without Whelan???
How long have you been following the Latics Bob? I guess you wasn’t watching the them at the late 80’s or early 90’s??
Also Jimmy, you forgot to mention that Fulham is in one of Britain’s most affluent areas, and their average fans’ disposal income is second only to Chelsea’s. Dead right you’d invest in them if you had the money.
Portsmouth it is. He flew down last night, and it’s been on the cards for over a week – hence the mystery illness.
This is 100% legitimate. Unfortunately though, we won’t be having an over inflated price met by the likes of Chelsea.
I have a couple of neighbours who profess to being Liverpool supporters. Despite both being late thirties, I doubt if either of them have been to Anfield more than half a dozen times in their lives. Both have grown up in Standish, and neither of them, that I’m aware of, comes from a Scouse family – Standish being Standish, everyone tends to know everyone via a degree or two of separation.
Anyway, a couple of seasons ago, I walked into the Dog and Partridge in Standish, when a Liverpool match was on. The pub was heaving, and there in their replica red shirts were the two neighbours, who acknowledged me as I went in. I went to the bar to get the Mrs and myself drinks, when one of the neighbours came to the bar.
‘Orr-eh, do yooos two want a drinkkk?’
This bloke speaks with a Wigan accent Monday to Friday, but it appears that on Saturdays when Liverpool are on the telly, the minute he walks through the D&P pub door, his body is possessed by Joey Boswell.
Needless to say, we drank up and left.
Saw the same neighbours a few days later who greeted me with ‘Oreet?’ Pitiful.
On the other hand, I’ve got a mate who has had a season ticket at Liverpool for twenty-odd years – it was his dad’s ticket before him, and he’s watched them all over Europe. He’s as broad Wigan as is possible in a normal human, and says he feels uncomfortable when the Scousers play Wigan. He didn’t go last season as he got p*ssed off with all the woolly-back / inbreds/ sh*t ground, sh*t fans comments, as after all, they were taking the p*ss out of his kin-folk.
For him, I have respect. Doesn’t belittle Wigan, but hasn’t switched allegiance and jumped on the bandwagon.
A Birmingham cast off,
This will surely get the crowds flocking to the DW.So was Palacios…[/quote]
Aye your right there, but Mcgleish hadn’t seen him play and so is kappo and de ridder[/quote]Kapo was one of Birmingham’s better players, but De Ridder was also crap there.
I think it just goes to show that Birmingham are as clueless as us.
I wonder what the wage bill is? Say 20 players earning on average 20,000 a week, thats 21 million gone already in a year!
For arguments sake double what you have said take off another £13M for back room/ground staff etc and that would still leave £20M in the coffers.[/quote]
Horc, you’re usually one of the good posters on here in my opinion, but you’ve fallen into their trap on this.It’s nowhere near £60 million that a club like Wigan earns in a season. We’ve had people on here saying the BBC have said it is, here’s the link etc, but they haven’t read or understood the piece properly – and to boot, it’s two years old.
We’re taking £30 to £40 million max from last season – and that’s information from PA Sport, who are the recognised authority in sports MI.
If you double the wage bill estimate by Bidstrup and add £13 million, you’d end up £13 million or so in the red, which after gate receipts and sponsorships, would bring you to break-even if you’re lucky. (I estimated the wage bill to be around £30 million as a nice round figure – as you need to take into account player bonuses which can be a frightening amount of money – that would bring you to break-even)
We have to sell to free up any money, a simple fact, and everytime I say it, I get slated: it’s not greed, it’s not lack of ambition, it is survival and stability. That’s what pissed Bruce off, as he knew he’d never keep a team together from season to season, and it’s why Whelan touts at every opportunity. As Bruce found out, if you want to buy big, you have to sell big.
Look at Portsmouth – £44 million in debt. If they received £60 million, plus gate receipts and sponsorship, and with the profits they made from selling half their squad, they’d be in a healthy position. They’re not. If this take-over involving Peter Storrie doesn’t go through, they’re going into administration in the very near future – and that is a fact. They’ve even resorted to offering contracts to people like Eugene Bopp – who was released from Crewe – just to cut their wage bill. Their new Arab potential-owner has pulled out as he’s seen the costs involved in running a football club.
Unless you are Real, Barca, Arsenal, or Man U, possibly Liverpool and Milan, nobody makes money. Ask Mike Ashley, ask Briatore at QPR, ask Dodi’s dad at Fulham, ask Gaydamak the ex-Pompey owner, or even ask Sir David Murray, the owner of Rangers – who have virtually a 50% share of anything financially viable in Scottish football, and who is a classic example of buying a club on messages from the heart, then a few years down the line realising you’ve made a very expensive mistake.
Now Setanta have gone tits up, payments this season are not going to take the Apollo Nine-like rise some people on here are quoting.
It aint rose gardens.
