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I will repeat myself again, on our little unbeaten run I said on numerous occasions we where boring to watch and where riding our luck and that the centre midfield wasn’t gud enough
Did Perkins once spill your pint or something?
Virtually every post contains a veiled dig at him!
It’s a manager’s job to change things like that though Standish, not for us to be sat there getting frustrated about it. Simple things I would think if you or I are seeing them ;)I think everyone, in the main, has been patient with GC, through some shocking football tinged with some highlights. The main saver being our position in a granted very bad league, plus changes he’s made to address the problems.
His problem now(since Rochdale and un-necessary changes) is we’re losing and playing shocking.
We have some good players for this level and somebody needs to get the best out of them to get us out of this horror of a league.It is the manager’s job to change things, and I’d like to think things will change.
One thing Caldwell has been praised for – even by some of the most fickle of our fucklest bunch of ‘supporters’ – is, he has not be scared to swap things during a game – unlike Martinez who was seen as stubborn and unwilling to make sweeping changes.
This is his first season as a manager – so yes, he’ll make mistakes. Everyone has to start somewhere, so in my opinion, yes, he needs to be given time.
If you have the best and fastest car in a race and you constantly finish last do you blame the car or the driver ?.
Against Blackpool was like going back to the days of Coyle were we have no plan A B or C infact any letter you want to choose.
To watch James never once push forward and try to overlap was unreal. It was though he’d been told theres a bogeyman over the 1/2 way line so don’t go there..Even Boyce shrugged his shoulders when someone shouted to him warming up “Look were we’ve ended up ? Hard to believe hey !”..
But you wouldn’t hold the driver totally to blame if despite driving as well as he could, one wheel decided to stop turning and the other three shot off in different directions.
We’re only five point off second place but some of the meltdowns I’ve seen on the forums, Twitter and Facebook have been staggering and in the most part, laughable.
Yes, it’s been poor for two consecutive Saturdays, but prior to that we had a fantastic home record and had been on a decent unbeaten run.
I think some people really need to give their heads a bit of a wobble.
The frustrating things for me, which nobody has mentioned is we didn’t have any shots across a saturated surface. Their keeper had his easiest ever match, when it should have been his busiest. I think they’re all thick. When a player takes a free kick 5 yards from the edge of the box and tries to curl one in the top corner rather than blast it across the ground, that’s the only conclusion I can come up with.
Why do we, at home, bring every player back on a corner when we’re drawing or winning but leave one up top when we’re losing? The difference is plain and means they have 2 extra players in our box, increasing their odds of scoring.Barnett is a danger, Perkins is footballing gnome apart from that I had no problems with his team selection, pre-match. It’s tactics and tempo which is our problem. I’d be looking for an experienced playmaker in January, someone like Nolan.
Said exactly the same on Saturday.
Still disagree about Perkins though. He had a bad game on Sautrday, but we need a player like him – but we also need a more creative player to play alongside him and do the things he can’t do.
Oh dear! Looks like the old darkside vs lightside is re-emerging again. & why is it when we win a few games – all is fine, yet lose a couple &/or play badly in those said games & the usual pessimistic &perhaps our more moronic posters post their typical drivel.
Yes, yesterdays game was SOOOOOOO frustrating, but is it really necessary to start calling for caldwell’s head – who might i stress is a very young manager & is still learning his trade. Sometimes he might get it right & on other occassions ie yesterday, he will get it wrong. I for one am pleased with him & i do feel we will head in the right direction under his leadership.
Where he gets it wrong IMO is playing both perkins & power together – 2 very defensive minded midfielders who are too similar & will play backwards, sideways etc. He needs to play one of those with either jacobs or junior & play a system that gets the ball to grigg &/or other striker(s), because withoit decent service grigg just looks like a lazy sod. Change those & we will be fine.
But please, way too soon to start calling for his head or for taxis. Give the guy a chance.Fickle fans again. For me I have always said if we are around 10 points off the top at Christmas we will be doing well.
Every team has a bad patch. Definitely need a creative midfielder and we should be fine.[/quote]
I agree with both of these.Five points off 2nd place? Considering it’s Caldwell’s first season as a manager, he’s not doing too badly.
Yes, some more experienced managers have out-thought him, but that’s down to a lack of experience, and he’ll learn from it.
….onceWhilst glossing over the 17 times you lost against them.
You’ve actually gone to trouble of looking that up haven’t you?
Or he could have been seeing ££££s in his eyes. Indeed that probably was the turning point for Latics as far as pushing up the league but also the point that Whelan realised that to push on much further was going to hurt his pocket severely. Even more of Bruce’s side were to leave before the start of the next season.
Seems we have always lost players to balance the books. The biggest worry now is there is not much left to sell.It probably was around then that Whelan saw there was a fine line between ambition and financial stupidity.
We don’t have the overinflated wage bill that we used to have in the Premier League and we operate under a stricter financial model these days, so I’m confident we don’t have to sell as much to balance the books.
We finished 11th I think but I think he’s probably referring to the fact that we were chasing Europe until we ripped the squad apart in January.I meant exactly that.
We were comfortable until January, until Heskey and Palacios were sold and Zaki went AWOL. We only won another three games from then until the end of the season – which was relegation form – and by that stage, Bruce had also seemingly thrown the towel in and was looking elsewhere.
The Latics are now a League One team after Owen Coyle, Uwe Rösler and Malky Mackay all failed to stop the rot that followed relegation from the top flight just days after the Cup final. According to Gary Caldwell, “the whole club lost its identity” during the ensuing slide – and the task now facing the former club captain is to rebuild it as Wigan’s fourth manager since Martinez’s departure.Just wonder why they say “the rot that set in following the relegation”. Surely this rot had set in whilst we were in The Premier League and should include Roberto amongst the list of managers.
A more accurate description however would not be a rot as this decline came as all these managers struggled within the financial restraints that had been put on them from above and to give credit here to Bob for him to have kept us in there whilst under those restraints was a job well done.
The article could and should have made comparisons with Latics who have suffered the consequences of having to live within their means and the situation that can arise like it has at Bolton if a club goes along with its head in the sand.
Interesting to hear GC’s wishes and hopes for what he wants to do with Latics but this will only happen by living within our means this time and rightly so. We have had a brilliant journey financed by Whelan and Sky’s handouts and it was fantastic. Let us now show the football world we can do it again but this time starting with a secure financial base that GC has been left to work within even if this doesn’t happen overnight.Are you on the wind-up, or do you actually believe that?
Under Martinez we beat the likes of United, Arsenal , Chelsea, City and Liverpool and won the FA Cup! Hardly a ‘rot’ setting in.
We survived by the skin of our teeth in Jewell’s second season, and looked to be heading that way again toward the end of Bruce’s time with us. Martinez’s distinction was that he managed us in the Premier League longer than his predecessors, and the inevitable relegation took place when he was in charge.
Yes, there were stricter financial constraints under Martinez, but the ‘rot’ they’re referring to is the core of an FA Cup winning squad failing to perform in the Championship and ultimately getting relegated.
Unsurprising that most of the 513 were from Australia, where the town of Wigan has been famous for a long time.
In THE only country where Rugby League isn’t a minority sport, that’s hardly a shock.[/quote]
It’s actually the national sport in Papua New Guinea.[/quote]
You’re right, and I must apologise for forgetting the world power that is PNG!Unsurprising that most of the 513 were from Australia, where the town of Wigan has been famous for a long time.In THE only country where Rugby League isn’t a minority sport, that’s hardly a shock.
Jeez fellas, those chips must weigh heavy on your shoulders.It is not allowed to compliment a smallish club who are doing well, whilst sticking to their principles? Are Wigan Athletic the only club allowed to rise through the divisions and win the FA Cup? Are you jealous that the likes of Bournemouth are doing so well?
(and I think you’ll find that Wigan Warriors pay rent to the owner of the DW stadium, which is not Wigan Athletic FC).
You’re right, it’s not. It’s to the people that own Wigan Athletic.
Hats off again to Jimmy Floyd at Burton ,he certainly knows how to win games of football. I don’t think he even has the luxury of keeping the sort of players we have had on the bench recently either but they work for him and whatever he does it works.
Indeed. They are a relatively new club, with a small fan base, surrounded by larger, more established teams steeped in history who look down their noses at them, like they are an irritable fly. They have a “community” feel about them, from their small ground, to the lack of big-time charlies on the playing field.
Hopefully, if they make it further up the football pyramid, they wont sell their soul to the devil and pack their squad full of overseas merceneries at the expense of the local talent.[/quote]
They are currently a League One club, and have one local lad in their squad (but he’s on loan at Telford), so if they rise up the leagues, the chances of them packing ‘their squad full of overseas merceneries at the expense of the local talent’ is pretty high.
Poor attempt Mutty.
When will you realise that there are millions of footballers out there all competing for a relatively small number of professional contracts, so the chances of a small town’s team being filled with local lads is extremely slim – whereas Rugby League is played in a dozen postcodes, so the chances of a team not being filled with local lads is extremely slim?
But I’m guessing you already realise this.
just reading the story about The Tudor, one slipped through the swear filter there :lol:http://www.wigantoday.net/news/local/tudor-set-to-re-open-1-7593642
Maybe it was a typo and he meant ‘walker’. Russ hated people coming in wearing kagools and walking boots….
They also had pace and broke forward in numbers when they had those rare breaks.
Looking at their goals for and against it looked like a consistent style.I’ve just had a look at their previous results in a bit more detail, lot’s of 1-0’s either way but Fleetwood put 4 past em, P’boro 3 in the cup and both Walsall and Coventry beat them, they’ve not played anybody of note and won other than maybe Southend. (They beat P’Boro before they improved)
Maybe it’s a pointer of where we’re really at and we’ve had our head in the clouds.[/quote]
Festive Spirit kicked in earlier at your house I see!Personally I’d put it down to it being ‘one of those nights’. In previous promotion seasons we won games we shouldn’t have won and lot some we shouldn’t have lost – so why should this season be any different?
