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Just watched the highlights & not sure how anybody can say that wasn’t over the line.
His standing foot is clearly “just” on the line with his other swung back ready to kick…
Thought it was over on the night and convinced now. Linesman made a poor decision.It doesn’t matter where his standing foot is – it’s where the pitch facing part of the ball is when he kicks it that matters & there’s no way that you can tell from that angle whether it is 100% over the line[/quote]
I was sat in the South Stand for this game TL & in real time I was sure I saw the ball cross the white line fully. All about opinions of course, but just glad we won as that decision would really have peeved me.[/quote]
I agree, but the only camera & viewing angle that would give 100% certainty as to whether it was overline is one from exactly where the assistant was stood & in their opinion it didn’t go over so I’d be inclined to agree that it didn’t – especially from having seen the footage
Question for you tilders, what is the refs remit regarding doubt in a situation like that?. If he is unsure has he an instruction or guideline he can follow to help his decision or is it purely down to what he sees, his call totally.In that situation, you would really be relying 100% on the assistant for a signal. It’s very rare that you would ever expect to see the referee on the touchline looking whether a ball has crossed the line for a goal/corner/goal kick.
In fact in your pre-match instructions to the assistants you ask them to follow the ball down to the touchline so, whilst you can’t see him on the highlights, I would expect the assistant to be bang on the goal line looking across & as one of their defenders was down injured near the goal line he wouldn’t have had far to move to get there as usually you stick with the second rear most defender.
The ref in this instance is on the edge of the area near the D & as they’re mic’d up as soon as that ball came back off the post the ref will have asked whether it was over the line & (I assume) the assistant would have kept repeating “no” until it was cleared.
As the assistant should have been bang on the line & the ball wasn’t travelling at speed (as opposed to say a bullet header from a corner being directly cleared by someone on the line) so it isn’t as if it moved too fast for him to be sure, I would be amazed if the assistant in this instance got it wrongJust watched the highlights & not sure how anybody can say that wasn’t over the line.
His standing foot is clearly “just” on the line with his other swung back ready to kick…
Thought it was over on the night and convinced now. Linesman made a poor decision.It doesn’t matter where his standing foot is – it’s where the pitch facing part of the ball is when he kicks it that matters & there’s no way that you can tell from that angle whether it is 100% over the line
Disagree Tyldesley
The ball comes off the post and bounces on the line, but it then veers over the line – either because it’s spinning, by witchcraft, due to the gravitational pull of Jupiter, or whatever
Look at the slow motion version. When their lad connects with the ball, his foot either sweeps the ground or it pretty damn close to doing that and the ball is clearly over the line – nothing to do with height and perception.
Just incase you're not convinced Paul @PKendrickWIG @sammorsy08 @WeahsCousin pic.twitter.com/Rrwj0zGaen
— Callum (@MrCalliJ) September 20, 2017
As you said though, can completely understand why the officials didn’t spot it as even with slow motion people are still disputing it.
Nope – I’ll still argue that it wasn’t over the line. If you pause that footage at the exact moment that he kicks the ball, it is off the ground because you can see the shadow of the ball on the line.
Bearing in mind that the floodlights at Latics don’t come from the corners or behind the goal but from the side that gives you an indication that a) the ball is off the ground & b) that the ball isn’t completely over the lineI rest my case!! :P[/quote]
Don’t know what you’re looking at, but I can’t see a shadow on the line when he clears it!In fact, if you follow the shadow rather than the ball, you’ll see it deviates in its course.
One of us needs our eyes testing, and bearing in mind what you do/use to do on football pitches at weekends….
Just saying :whistle:[/quote]
It’s thee that needs em testing lad!! Anyway I’m currently out injured for I reckon around 12 months (certainly this season anyway) so your derogatory comment doesn’t apply for the moment!!!
Disagree TyldesleyThe ball comes off the post and bounces on the line, but it then veers over the line – either because it’s spinning, by witchcraft, due to the gravitational pull of Jupiter, or whatever
Look at the slow motion version. When their lad connects with the ball, his foot either sweeps the ground or it pretty damn close to doing that and the ball is clearly over the line – nothing to do with height and perception.
Just incase you're not convinced Paul @PKendrickWIG @sammorsy08 @WeahsCousin pic.twitter.com/Rrwj0zGaen
— Callum (@MrCalliJ) September 20, 2017
As you said though, can completely understand why the officials didn’t spot it as even with slow motion people are still disputing it.
Nope – I’ll still argue that it wasn’t over the line. If you pause that footage at the exact moment that he kicks the ball, it is off the ground because you can see the shadow of the ball on the line.
Bearing in mind that the floodlights at Latics don’t come from the corners or behind the goal but from the side that gives you an indication that a) the ball is off the ground & b) that the ball isn’t completely over the lineI rest my case!! :P
Apparently they knew of its existence but because of the confidentiality of some of the accusers the report wasn’t made public & the head honchos didn’t read it as it was recommended that he could still coach.
However as they’ve now read it & seen what he was accused of &, presumably, proved to have done it had raised as I said safeguarding issues & isn’t behaviour consistent with being the manager of the England women’s team.
As such they’re perfectly entitled to sack him now regardless of whether they carried out proper checks when he was appointed
https://twitter.com/potkettleblack/status/910268154697408513
The camera never lies….usually :woohoo:
I have a photo on my phone of it bouncing on the line but I can’t get the damn thing up on here!!![/quote]
Just watched it yet again on mine…hits the post, runs along the line and crosses the line just before the defender clears it.
The defender’s right foot is on the line (his toes). He’s swinging his left foot back to kick the ball.
Put it on next week’s spot the ball and see where peeps think the ball is
Don’t get me wrong here…this was out stroke of luck…not getting the goal didn’t affect the winning result. Let’s hope we don’t miss automatic promo by 1 goal on GD :S[/quote]
He might swing his left foot back but at the exact moment he kicks the ball his left leg is much further forward & the ball has dropped in height & much less like its completely over the line.
Not saying a lot of it isn’t over the line but I don’t think it all was hence no goal.
Ultimately it didn’t matter but I think that even if it had the officials couldn’t be criticised – like I said, there are other points where it looks like it might be over but when it bounces it’s clear that it isn’t
https://twitter.com/potkettleblack/status/910268154697408513The camera never lies….usually :woohoo:
I have a photo on my phone of it bouncing on the line but I can’t get the damn thing up on here!!!
Just watched the “goal” again on the Sky App thingy.Took a few goes, but managed to stop the picture at the key moment. Ball 100% over the line from the camera angle.
I actually think this is a good omen for our season that we get the unlucky decision when it didnt affect the winning result. Last season that would have happened at 1-1 in a must win game or at 0-1 in a must not lose.
We’ll have to agree to disagree but if even Latics fans can’t agree having watched it in slo mo numerous times then we can’t really blame the officials for not giving it – even if Sky’s hawkeye thing was used to prove it was in
I have to admit that from my angle in the Springfield Stand I didn’t think it had crossed the line and the fact that it took so many attempts to get an angle on TV that showed it actually did means that it’s understandable why the officials didn’t give it. Having said that, it would have been difficult for them to get it right as they got almost everything wrong during the rest of the game.I know that there is a ref that posts on here sometimes and I’d love to hear his opinions on the officials. It started right from kick off when he asked Jacobs 3 times to make sure his big toenail wasn’t over the half way line before he deemed it ok to start the game. I honestly believe that the performance of the officials last night was as bad as any I’ve seen.
Unfortunately (in terms of Latics watching) I now live 230 miles away from Tyldesley & so don’t get to see many Latics games these days.
I have seen the highlights though on Sky’s website & I have to say that, for the late Morsy effort that wasn’t awarded, I think that the officials got it spot on.What is deceptive is that because the ball is off the ground, the camera angle, the 2D effect the telly gives & the grass under the ball can make it appear that the ball is over the line on a couple of occasions after it hit the post.
Whilst I had too much time on my hands at lunch today, i slowed the footage down frame by frame – the ball hits the post, bounces up & gives an initial impression that it might be over the line.
However it then bounces & when it hits the ground it is almost as perfectly on the goal line as it could be – not even a hint that its over. A third of the ball is in play, a third on the line & a third over it.
It then bounces up again & by the time it starts to drop & the defender clears it you have the impression (same as above) that it might be over the line but again the camera angle & the grass under the ball create a false impression of depth behind the line.
At the very least I don’t think that you can say that the TV footage provides absolute proof that every single part of that ball was over the line – if even a millimetre was on the line then its no goalJust my opinion though
Can’t comment on anything else that went on with the officials other than the minute & 10 seconds that Sky have shownJudging by the fact that the FA must have used the word “safeguarding” in almost every sentence of their statement & Chief Exec’s interview, I can hazard a guess what it was that he was accused of whilst at Bristol
I remember him vaguely as he played during the time I was gradually switching my allegiance from being a ST holder at Old Trafford so I just went to games when me & my dad couldn’t get to a United away game.
Anyway, what sticks in my mind above anything he was capable of on the football field was the amount of grief that he used to get from the crowd every time something he tried didn’t quite work out.
Even my dad who was just dragged along by me & didn’t have an allegiance to Latics, commented that he was bar far the most skillful player on the team yet got stick, from some, from start to finishHe’s clearly learnt a lot off roberto, including his ‘inability’ to make a quick change of plan mid game. When that style works … it is wonderful, but when you’re found out ….. oh dear.I’ll have to defend Caldwell from that comment.
One of the refreshing things for me about Caldwell during that Lge1 season, especially early doors when it wasn’t quite clicking, was that he was able to see that & make the changes necessary to turn it round – hence the comebacks (some successful, others not) against the likes of Chesterfield & Port Vale. There was also the Blackpool away game where he changed things round when they weren’t working & we scored 3 or 4 in the 2nd half.
He also had his idea at the start of that season that he wanted to play a certain formation but when that wasn’t working he adjusted it until he found one that worked consistently.
That said, what then became disappointing when we got to the Championship was that he seemed to lose that ability & our system became rigid & inflexible & he didn’t seem to know what to do to try & change things mid game. That did make me wonder whether he was taking on someone elses advice in the early days & once he’d had the success of the Lge1 title he thought he knew more than he did & stopped listening to that advice
Very average, with a poor manager.It will be same old, same old next summer. Off the field events may take centre stage!
Having watched the U21’s in the tournaments whilst he was in charge & seen the 2/3 games when he was on trial I was baffled as to why the FA thought Southgate was gonna be a good appointment
