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    donnys pageDonnys Page
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    How can we ever forget those amazing scenes when we lifted the cup but also all those idiotic tactical decisions that relegated us and all those statements about loving our club so much. Bob created the bad feeling by entering into the swap triangle probably before the season was anywhere near finishing. If only he had just seen getting Latics back into the Premier League as important as getting Everton into the Champions League or could I be wrong and it wasn’t about ambition but more about becoming a bigger millionaire than what Latics had already made him. This thread should never end. Thank you LHL who incidently at one time was a major fan of Bob but an even greater fan of WAFC. His football was shit by the way. Boring shit.Apart from about twenty games in his entire time here. Boring shite!!!

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    WeregoingtobarnsleyHenry Peacock
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    Good luck to them and can we just let them get on with it and put our energies into supporting the players we have here now.

    Maybe you should practice what you preach and so end the ludicrous Tavs and wags thread just a thought like

    “Good luck to them and can we just let them get on with it and put our energies into supporting the players we have here now.”

    Those aren’t my words. They were posted by Horc – one of the posters who has kept this thread going – but on the equally amusing Tav and Wags thread.

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    How can we ever forget those amazing scenes when we lifted the cup but also all those idiotic tactical decisions that relegated us and all those statements about loving our club so much. Bob created the bad feeling by entering into the swap triangle probably before the season was anywhere near finishing. If only he had just seen getting Latics back into the Premier League as important as getting Everton into the Champions League or could I be wrong and it wasn’t about ambition but more about becoming a bigger millionaire than what Latics had already made him. This thread should never end. Thank you LHL who incidently at one time was a major fan of Bob but an even greater fan of WAFC. His football was shit by the way. Boring shit.Apart from about twenty games in his entire time here. Boring shite!!!

    Most of that is your opinion though isn’t it? I prefer football played on the ground and obviously didn’t find it as boring as you did.

    I doubt Martinez left Wigan just for the money. He left because his career at Wigan would be forever about avoiding relegation and making ends meet, whereas Everton are a bigger club and capable of more. So basically it was career advancement.

    Plus, if he had stayed with us for another season, he’d have missed the chance of taking the Everton job.

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    but also all those idiotic tactical decisions that relegated us

    And what tactical idiotic decisions might they be oh “Special One”.

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    but also all those idiotic tactical decisions that relegated us

    And what tactical idiotic decisions might they be oh “Special One”.[/quote]

    Swansea at home wasn’t his finest hour I must admit! Perhaps Donny is referring to that proverbial nail in the coffin? :huh:

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    but also all those idiotic tactical decisions that relegated us

    And what tactical idiotic decisions might they be oh “Special One”.[/quote]

    Swansea at home wasn’t his finest hour I must admit! Perhaps Donny is referring to that proverbial nail in the coffin? :huh:[/quote]
    But where was the idiotic tactical decision in that game?

    We were leading twice in that game, and unless Martinez instructed Caldwell to fluff his clearance, then I don’t see how he can be blamed.

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    but also all those idiotic tactical decisions that relegated us

    And what tactical idiotic decisions might they be oh “Special One”.[/quote]

    Swansea at home wasn’t his finest hour I must admit! Perhaps Donny is referring to that proverbial nail in the coffin? :huh:[/quote]

    Why was he tactically idiotic regarding this game?

    If you are referring to him playing Caldwell who was admittedly not 100% fit then I don’t really know what options he had. Golobart perhaps?
    Yes Caldwell was at fault for Swansea’s equaliser, which had a good deal of fortune about it, but he also impressively set up McCarthy for his goal.

    It was a game steeped in tension for obvious reasons and consequently error prone but you can hardly blame Martinez for the misfortune that cost us the game.

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    WeregoingtobarnsleyHenry Peacock
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    How can we ever forget those amazing scenes when we lifted the cup but also all those idiotic tactical decisions that relegated us and all those statements about loving our club so much. Bob created the bad feeling by entering into the swap triangle probably before the season was anywhere near finishing. If only he had just seen getting Latics back into the Premier League as important as getting Everton into the Champions League or could I be wrong and it wasn’t about ambition but more about becoming a bigger millionaire than what Latics had already made him. This thread should never end. Thank you LHL who incidently at one time was a major fan of Bob but an even greater fan of WAFC. His football was shit by the way. Boring shit.Apart from about twenty games in his entire time here. Boring shite!!!

    Let’s not rewrite history!

    Compared to other Premier League teams, Wigan clearly had limited resources, both in the size of the squad and the quality of the players. Roberto was also fighting on two fronts; the Premier League and the FA Cup. But he didn’t have the resources to compete in both.

    The general consent on this forum was that winning the cup was more important than staying in the Premier League. Roberto overcame all the team’s injuries to produce a makeshift team and a winning performance in the face of the mighty Manchester City.

    I suppose that Roberto could have fielded a reserve team in the Cup Final, and a fresh first team against Arsenal three days later. But even that may not have been enough to save the Latics.

    In his time as manager, Roberto had to reduce the size of the already modest wage bill substantially – just as other teams were spending much more. The result was inevitable.

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    Some on here really love Bob don’t they but even they must found it a tad boreing at times.

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    How can we ever forget those amazing scenes when we lifted the cup but also all those idiotic tactical decisions that relegated us and all those statements about loving our club so much. Bob created the bad feeling by entering into the swap triangle probably before the season was anywhere near finishing. If only he had just seen getting Latics back into the Premier League as important as getting Everton into the Champions League or could I be wrong and it wasn’t about ambition but more about becoming a bigger millionaire than what Latics had already made him. This thread should never end. Thank you LHL who incidently at one time was a major fan of Bob but an even greater fan of WAFC. His football was shit by the way. Boring shit.Apart from about twenty games in his entire time here. Boring shite!!!

    Let’s not rewrite history!

    Compared to other Premier League teams, Wigan clearly had limited resources, both in the size of the squad and the quality of the players. Roberto was also fighting on two fronts; the Premier League and the FA Cup. But he didn’t have the resources to compete in both.

    The general consent on this forum was that winning the cup was more important than staying in the Premier League. Roberto overcame all the team’s injuries to produce a makeshift team and a winning performance in the face of the mighty Manchester City.

    I suppose that Roberto could have fielded a reserve team in the Cup Final, and a fresh first team against Arsenal three days later. But even that may not have been enough to save the Latics.

    In his time as manager, Roberto had to reduce the size of the already modest wage bill substantially – just as other teams were spending much more. The result was inevitable.[/quote]

    Under Martinez Wigan Athletic won the FA Cup.

    It seems I have to keep repeating this but some people really don’t understand the significance. No ah buts or what ifs need to be added since they are unnecessary.

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    modest wage bill it was £42 million at one stage

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    but also all those idiotic tactical decisions that relegated us

    And what tactical idiotic decisions might they be oh “Special One”.[/quote]

    Swansea at home wasn’t his finest hour I must admit! Perhaps Donny is referring to that proverbial nail in the coffin? :huh:[/quote]

    Why was he tactically idiotic regarding this game?

    If you are referring to him playing Caldwell who was admittedly not 100% fit then I don’t really know what options he had. Golobart perhaps?
    Yes Caldwell was at fault for Swansea’s equaliser, which had a good deal of fortune about it, but he also impressively set up McCarthy for his goal.

    It was a game steeped in tension for obvious reasons and consequently error prone but you can hardly blame Martinez for the misfortune that cost us the game.[/quote]

    I didn’t say his tactics were idiotic I just thought his tactics in-play could have been a little better! To twice relinquish a lead and then to ultimately get beat is bad in anyone’s books. With a couple of tweaks here and there I personally think that the defeat could have been avoided but being bereft of a ‘Plan B’ was always Bob’s achilles heel! Hey but I’m no manager and so my opinion means jack shit! As for Caldwell, I wouldn’t have risked him, I would have played Jones who was well up to the task of playing at the back, anyone but Caldwell who later came back to fuck up our play-offs in The Championship and then contributed to our FA Cup semi final defeat against Arsenal, he is now our manager! You can’t make shit like this up can you!
    As for Golobart, signed by Martinez as ‘A Future Talent’, currently lying in the ‘Where Are They Now’ files, well the Spanish third tier to be precise!

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    I didn’t say his tactics were idiotic I just thought his tactics in-play could have been a little better! To twice relinquish a lead and then to ultimately get beat is bad in anyone’s books. With a couple of tweaks here and there I personally think that the defeat could have been avoided but being bereft of a ‘Plan B’ was always Bob’s achilles heel! Hey but I’m no manager and so my opinion means jack shit! As for Caldwell, I wouldn’t have risked him, I would have played Jones who was well up to the task of playing at the back, anyone but Caldwell who later came back to fuck up our play-offs in The Championship and then contributed to our FA Cup semi final defeat against Arsenal, he is now our manager! You can’t make shit like this up can you!
    As for Golobart, signed by Martinez as ‘A Future Talent’, currently lying in the ‘Where Are They Now’ files, well the Spanish third tier to be precise!

    The same Gary Caldwell who scored that important winning goal at Anfield that sparked our revival, and whose chest thumping and leading by example was instrumental in our 2012 ‘Great Escape’ and him collecting the ‘Player of The Year’ award? You’re right, you can’t make it up! ;)

    As for that game v Swansea, the issue was at centre half, and David Jones has never played centre half to my knowledge. Therefore, the only centre half on the bench that day was Golobart – who by all accounts, was even less fit to play than Caldwell.

    So Martinez, in the most important league game of the season, is down to two fully fit recognised centre halves and brings in the recovering club captain / last season’s ‘Player of The Year’ (who sets one goal up with a brilliant ball through the middle, but later fluffs a clearance to allow Swansea to equalise) and he is blamed for ‘idiotic tactics’?

    Nah, sorry, I’m not having that!

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    but also all those idiotic tactical decisions that relegated us

    And what tactical idiotic decisions might they be oh “Special One”.[/quote]

    Swansea at home wasn’t his finest hour I must admit! Perhaps Donny is referring to that proverbial nail in the coffin? :huh:[/quote]

    Why was he tactically idiotic regarding this game?

    If you are referring to him playing Caldwell who was admittedly not 100% fit then I don’t really know what options he had. Golobart perhaps?
    Yes Caldwell was at fault for Swansea’s equaliser, which had a good deal of fortune about it, but he also impressively set up McCarthy for his goal.

    It was a game steeped in tension for obvious reasons and consequently error prone but you can hardly blame Martinez for the misfortune that cost us the game.[/quote]

    I didn’t say his tactics were idiotic I just thought his tactics in-play could have been a little better! To twice relinquish a lead and then to ultimately get beat is bad in anyone’s books. With a couple of tweaks here and there I personally think that the defeat could have been avoided but being bereft of a ‘Plan B’ was always Bob’s achilles heel! Hey but I’m no manager and so my opinion means jack shit! As for Caldwell, I wouldn’t have risked him, I would have played Jones who was well up to the task of playing at the back, anyone but Caldwell who later came back to fuck up our play-offs in The Championship and then contributed to our FA Cup semi final defeat against Arsenal, he is now our manager! You can’t make shit like this up can you!
    As for Golobart, signed by Martinez as ‘A Future Talent’, currently lying in the ‘Where Are They Now’ files, well the Spanish third tier to be precise![/quote]

    Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

    Would you really have played Jones at centre-back and Golobart ahead of a less than 100% fit – how much less we don’t know – Caldwell, or Ronnie Stam perhaps?

    Martinez went with experience in a pressure game and it nearly worked but for heap of bad luck.

    I suppose if anyone of the above alternatives had been played instead of Caldwell and we’d still lost the cry would have been “why did he not play Caldwell”.

    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

    As for tactics, I don’t think he got much wrong in the game. At 2-2 we had to go for the win and as a result run the risk of conceding, which is how it happened.

    Caldwell’s subsequent performances and his appointment as manager have bugger all to do with the game in question.

    As for Golobart, many managers take a punt on up and coming players and it doesn’t happen. This is not something unique to Martinez.
    Sometimes it works. McCarthy and McArthur for example.

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    modest wage bill it was £42 million at one stage

    Yes, modest wage bill! It was, in fact, the smallest in the Premier League.

    Premier League wage bills 2012/13

    1. Manchester City £233 million Premier League runners up, FA Cup runners up
    2. Manchester United £181 million Premier League champions

    7 QPR £78 million Relegated

    16 Norwich City £51 million
    17 Swansea City £49 million
    18 Southampton £47 million
    19 Reading £46 million Relegated
    20 Wigan Athletic £44 million FA Cup winners, Relegated

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