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JR my point is if he wasn’t fit to play when we signed him then we shouldn’t have signed him. We lost our winger and needed a winger who could contribute to saving us from relegation by playing games.
Totally disagree, he is a superb signing who was wanted by better clubs than us but has done is old boss a favour.[/quote]
He’s here to get fit for a bigger things. Do you think he’d be here if we trained Christopher Park ?’ Total utter waste of time. Joyce fook off Blackburn and take fat baldylocks bestie mate with him.
Superb signing pmsl, classic statement based on hope n preyGrigg will stand a far better chance in a better side with width whipping balls in.
Let’s no forget, he was on loan at MK Dons when he was scoring goals Deli Ali behind him then with us in Div1.
It scares me that Joyce seems to think that if your an attacking midfielder or winger he”ll see you as a forward,
Yanic, Powell, Obertan all in he’s eyes forwards which leads me to think he doesn’t like playing with wide players, he prefers to re-label them and,stick them elsewhere.He’s not a whipping boy he’s just not scoring similar to a defender not defending.
Good forwards make their own luck. There’s also the matter of working off the ball, then balls in the air, can’t jump and twice on Saturday a good ball was whipped in to the box from wide while Grigg was just entering the box.
Grigg requires quality service something teams like us don’t have we sell as soon as we get them.
He doesn’t suit us in the Championship and personally I don’t think he can hack the Championship were there’s a slightly better quality of defender, he’s far to easy to mark.
Griggs goal scoring record this season speaks for itself. It’s time to give Laurent and Mandron some playtime. As we are were going down so we might as well. And as for Obertan ?, he must pissin his side’s on the bench while flicking through a Thomas Cook brochureFor me it’s time for Grigg to be dropped and give the young lads we bought a chance. If Joyce is hell bent on flooding the middle of the park and one up front then at least get some fookin width on the field.
Can somebody ask him how many points he believes will be enough to stay up, and see if they can get a straight answer.I think 6 wins from 14 will see us stay up. The reality is, we’ll more than likely get 6 draws from 14 and 0-0’s at that.
Exactly my thoughts, we needed the 3pts far more than Preston did which showed in the last 20.
What is the point of Obertan been here if he’s not fit ?. He must be at Wigan so he can get in shape and lose the Christmas kench for his summer hols
It’s the simple Joyce mentality rule of :- “Let’s not lose this !” rather than saying to his players:- “Let’s go out and win this”. You say 2 up front but Bogle spent a a lot of 2nd 1/2 pulling out to the left making up for the lack of any natural width within our squad.
Too many work horse midfielders and no width while Obertan looks on…oh sorry he’s a forward .., if you play wide in Joyce’s eyes your a forward ffs.
Play six games and draw 4 lose 2 = 4pts
Play 6 games win 2 lose 4 = 6pts
Let’s go down fighting and take the odd risk.
We were on top and what do we do ?, yep 2 midfielders off 2 midfielders on. For me Joyce’s negative scared to take risk style of football will 100% send us down and another 15 in 15 out will take place.
And as for Grigg ?, I’m sorry to say but it’s either a case of he’s not harsed or Div1 is his level. Simply not good enough unless it’s on a plate from 6ft out. It’s time for him to be dropped he was awful today and why he can’t jump God only knows.
Joyce needs to face it, it’s time for change either tactically or player wise it’s simply not working.
For me it’s abit of both, and when Obertan rang and begged to come to Latics was it to put the cones and bibs out at training ?.
Very Martinez like, sticks to a system hoping that at the end of the day he can turn around and say “Told you so….” but without change he”ll never get the chance to utter those wordsIt was only one point dropped. We set up and went for one but lost and dropped the one.
If anyone on here has any contacts at the club is there any chance they could nip round and remind the management that there are actually three points to play for in a game.Don’t worry please, it’s only an Iceberg (Edward Smith Titanic). Oh and we did drop one and it stunk er shiitte
Dont worry squad we have division one will be a piece of cakeWhy ? Do you know who were buying next season because these lot will be gone.
More rebuilding ahead
I would also drop Burn and put Bruce in for experience.
You for real ???, he had a stormer. Last ditch tackles are all apart of a defender’s game. The tackle he made in the box when chasing back a one on one was top draw and the one on the dead ball line skinned him and came away with it. What game were you watching ??.
If we can add a little bit of width even on one side I can see goals.
That second half was exactly what Wigan fans,want to see regardless of the result, players giving it 100% and we could have nicked at the death.
Bogle is a breath of fresh air and like Heskey he’s not scared to drop back in and do some defending duties when needed.
I would sooner go down trying and drawing 2-2 or losing 3-2 with 2 up front as opposed to 0-0 draws 1-0 losses with 1 up front.[/quote]Bruce is a far better centre half than Burn with nigh on 50 games worth of Premier League football as opposed to just 9 with Burn. As for the last ditch tackles, what I meant was they are usually tackles that redeem him from an initial mistake that wouldn’t have been called for had he read the game better in the first place! Yeah he has his moments of brilliance ( Don’t most footballers? ) but on the whole the lad is calamitous, almost ‘Bramblesque’ and I feel that Bruce is a far better proposition at this present time.[/quote]
All defenders make mistakes, for me it’s the hardest position on the field. While a forward can miss 10 efforts then redeem himself with goal and become the hero a defender can make 50 tackles in a game then one slip and he’s the bad guy.
Like I said , all defenders make mistakes, what makes a good one from a bad one is he can redeem it.
Please name me a defender who doesn’t make mistakes and if you do he’ll be in the 40-50 million bracket. And if you think Bruce wont then …… The worse the team the more pressure is put on defenders and more mistakes are made. This doesn’t make them bad defenders,,,, fook me Leicester won a championship with Kante saving the day or they’d have be near the bottom like they are this season.I would also drop Burn and put Bruce in for experience.You for real ???, he had a stormer. Last ditch tackles are all apart of a defender’s game. The tackle he made in the box when chasing back a one on one was top draw and the one on the dead ball line skinned him and came away with it. What game were you watching ??.
If we can add a little bit of width even on one side I can see goals.
That second half was exactly what Wigan fans,want to see regardless of the result, players giving it 100% and we could have nicked at the death.
Bogle is a breath of fresh air and like Heskey he’s not scared to drop back in and do some defending duties when needed.
I would sooner go down trying and drawing 2-2 or losing 3-2 with 2 up front as opposed to 0-0 draws 1-0 losses with 1 up front.Obertan’s career has been blighted by injury after injury so don’t be holding out too much hope on him being our saviour!Well something has to be done, 6 goals in 12 games and in 9 of those zilch. It’s OK having a solid hard working team which we have but that simple fact is, we are not scoring enough goals.
When we get into the last 1/4 of the field we are totally clueless. For me Wier has to start and give us that lift in the middle and Bogle and Grigg must at least be given 1/2 an hour just to see. I like Joyce in one way but sticking with this plan of playing a small army in the middle to stop other teams playing will send us down.He mentions Rotherham and playing 2 up front and how we got overrun, this is true but since then we’ve how players come in ?, we could play a different starting 11. Be braver Joyce and stop chasing games with 1 up front
I’m sure Joyce ain’t saying “Don’t give it Grigg” but I know one thing, their certainly not getting it to him often enough in fact hardly ever. The only glimmer of light was when Wier came on. He was willing to run forward while in possession and was keen to pass and move the ball at pace. Hopefully he will start him and drop Perkins.
I look through the squad and why the hell have we got so many midfielders ,,,ffs , we’ve a small army of them. Obertan needs to get fit in record time or it’s a pointless him been here then Joyce can hopefully play him wide and not up front as he has kindly pointed out.
Joyce needs to be braver in his player starting 11. His system at the moment is not working, sticking by it will send us down for sure. Sorry Joyce which ever way you do it we need wins which means goals
I don’t think we need to change the manager,the manager needs to change his stubborn ways by first, stop flooding the midfield with grafters.
Either get some natural width into our game for the sole striker role he wants to play or play 2 up front because the way are midfield are set up at moment we might as well play 4-6-0 because Grigg is redundant.
Why does he see every wideman or attacking midfielder as a forward ?, first Powell then Yanic and now Obertan. The Sheffield Wednesday game spoke volumes,losing 0-1 replaces forward for forward.
His stubborn ways will send us down and it will be another rebuilding job by someone else.
