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MCMANAMAN MOVE?
A few interesting lines from Malky Mackay’s press conference ahead of Wigan’s clash with Blackburn on Saturday.
Mackay has admitted he had taken calls asking about Callum McManaman’s availability, but doesn’t want to sell the midfielder, despite his desire to leave. Mackay did admit it was a matter of money.
With Maloney, Ramis, Roger (when he was here), Riera and Delort (I’ve also heard said) and I suspect a couple of others all heads down toys out of cot wanting to leave I am not surprised there has been trouble at t’mill.
It’s an absolute disgrace that players are allowed to act in this manner when they have had great success at this club and good money to boot (except the two ineffective strikers that is). It’s not as if there are teams knocking the doors down at the DW asking for them to be released. Further the teams that have shown an interest in a couple of our players are possible candidates for Championship football next year anyway.
They should take a leaf out of James McArthur’s book (and Paul Sharner to a degree) and that is play to the end, with passion, and be grateful for what has happened for them.
I will be looking, that little bit harder, this Saturday to see if there is any fire in their eyes and passion in their guts- after all – correct me if I’m wrong – but they do still play for Wigan Athletic, do they not?
Did I just hear that right?? The team third in the Premier League play 4-2-3-1???? Surely not.
The Prem is a whole different beast! The championship on the other hand is a league were 4-4-2 has reaped the benefits more than any other formation! Now if playing 4-4-2 consistently for several games on the trot doesn’t come to fruition then it can be deemed not the answer for us, but until then……………….[/quote]
You do realise it’s possible to play two up front without rigidly lining up as 442 don’t you? No, probably not.[/quote]
Yes I do, not sure why you are trying to be condescending with me? I mentioned once before that formations can be misleading and ambiguous the best of times but we have been playing an actual lone striker with no foil or support for quite a while now! Only in the last few games have we seen this change albeit without a recognised striker! We can’t have it all I guess![/quote]
Well actually I would disagree with this in light of what Mackay has been saying recently, and I think it is nothing to do with a 442 formation.
We have seen the lone striker on the team sheet, however, I believe that he has been instructing other players to act as “the foil” in that support role but the lazy arsed, overpaid, sulking, prima donna’s have not stepped up to the plate (except McClean). It’s time for these wantaways to leave, let Mackay get on with managing, let us get on with our football and get back to winning ways – we don’t want players who can’t be arsed.
Any news on Colin? There were a few updates on Facebook earlier in the week but I haven’t seen anything for a couple of days now.Saw this on the wishfm site. Progress it seems, which is good news indeed. Obviously from a good fighting stock.
Speedy recovery fella.
prepare to be defeated !Mr. Whelan needs to accept that choosing Malky Mackay has been a disaster for him personally and professionally for his football club.
No further comment on Mackay’s indiscretions or indeed his Chairman’s attempts to defend them are required. How the effect of those actions have impacted should be evaluated. Actions, behaviour and the consequence is that we sit in a perilous position at the base of the Championship with most other clubs sneering at the clowns.
Anxiety and embarrassment are the emotions felt, along with anger, at how our proud club is being turned in to a circus.
I believe that everyone is too focused on this and I can’t quite get myself to believe it. Nuneatonlatic said it on another thread – 3 managers and no change to the backroom staff; I believe that if Mackay had been allowed to bring with him all the others (of his choosing) then things would be a bit different. It could be argued that Whelan has kept the current backroom staff because they are cheap and no other compo needed to have been paid to bring in others, however, it would appear that if that is the case then his ‘penny pinching’ has resulted in the clubs current predicament.
I understand everyone has their own views on this and, to be quite honest, I don’t think that bringing in a new manager is the solution. Bringing in someone with some clout to assist him (beside Kerslake) may offer fresh ideas and fresh impetus to the team.
For me Barrow and his merry men – (c) Nuneatonlatic – need to go in this window as well.
p.s. does he really stop for a chat with you (Caldwell that is not CupWinners)
I don’t recall saying that I normally converse with him. Usually, I stand there tapping my wrist (ooh-er!) until he and his sorry band of ne’er-do-wells get off my pitch.[/quote]
You bugger – it’ll take days to get that image scrubbed from my brain.
Give over you big girls blouse, the lad asked a simple question and The Egg is the only one who has managed a sensible reply.
Well, it was a pretty daft question. I think everyone thought it was rhetorical[/quote]
Hmmmm! I didn’t, but I can see how it could have been seen that way by some. Anyway, I think we’ve got the gist of his position now. ;)[/quote]
So, if I’ve gauged the feeling on this thread correctly, when I see him tomorrow night at football (Caldwell that is, not CupWinners) I’ll tell him that the consensus of opinion of this forum is that he should get his lazy arse back to training properly and earn his money, but on no account should he go anywhere near the first 18 on match days, right?[/quote]
That sounds rhetorical.
However, should you put up a poll asking the question to the contributors to this thread and open it up to the rest (who could be arsed to take part), then my answer would be:
Right. (or correct/indeed/yes/agree – depending on how you frame your poll question).
p.s. does he really stop for a chat with you (Caldwell that is not CupWinners).
[insert wide eyed girly emoticon with stars flying from eyes here]
Give over you big girls blouse, the lad asked a simple question and The Egg is the only one who has managed a sensible reply.
Well, it was a pretty daft question. I think everyone thought it was rhetorical[/quote]
Hmmmm! I didn’t, but I can see how it could have been seen that way by some. Anyway, I think we’ve got the gist of his position now. ;)
Oh dear, don’t tell me you’ve reverted to idiot mode over Christmas, too! And you were doing so well lately! ;)Give over you big girls blouse, the lad asked a simple question and The Egg is the only one who has managed a sensible reply. That’s all that was needed, unless cup winners wanted to open it up a bit more. It was you I was about to congratulate on behaving better over the past week or so, but leopard and spots and all that I suppose. ;)
And Standish, “a nice little earner” is a common and well used turn of phrase that befits his current position. The same cannot be said about the other players you mentioned as, in my opinion, they will return to first team football, however, I believe that Caldwell has had his playing days here at the club and will not return to first team football. I have no proof of that, I have not spoken to anyone close to the club, I have not received a postcard from DW with that Post Script on the bottom – it is just my analysis of observations made since the season began.
Not a bad earner that, training the kids while still drawing a hefty wedge
Why is it an earner?
He’s either fulfilling part of the coaching role that come with his player/coach contract, or he’s doing it free of charge off his own back.[/quote]
Key word “part” I would say he’s a player over coach so my question was , is he playing or what ?Caldwell signed a one year contract with Wigan in July 2014. As part of the new agreement he was also given some coaching responsibilities.
July 2015 get rid time,[/quote]
To be honest, I’d be surprised if you knew the finer details of the precise arrangement between the club and Caldwell. After all, you seem to know nothing about anything else.[/quote]
…and how do you come to that conclusion?
There is no need to know “the finer details of the precise arrangement between the club and Caldwell” as the club, in their statement stated:
“Wigan Athletic are delighted to confirm that club captain Gary Caldwell has signed a new one year deal to remain at the DW Stadium, which will see him combine playing duties with a coaching role at the Academy”.
so – “is he still playing or what ?”
Hardly a bloody difficult question to address – and I’m sure that some would have been more interested in the answer rather than self promotion,
Further, I agree that if he is only fulfilling part of his contract (for whatever reason) and still being paid his full salary, then it is indeed “a nice little earner” for him.
Petty, just bloody petty.
Don’t get me wrong, without Dave we’d have never had the last 20 years – he has been a godsend for our club in many ways.The only sensible part of the post.
Imagine if he had backed Bruce in 2008 and not sold off our best assets? Imagine if he’d not allowed clubs to court Bob. Imagine if he’d not let McLaren slip through his fingers for the sake of a few quid. Imagine if he’d thought a bit more about the implications on the club of taking on Malky for the sake of another cheap deal.if, if, if – Grandson was telling me something about – if, bollocks and grandma t’other day. What on earth did he mean by that eh?
We are in a very bad place and Malky isn’t going to save us. Right now we need to be led and managed by folk who understand the club, it fans and the town. You can see it in his eyes – Malky doesn’t care about us. He’s only here cos nobody else’ll have him…and why should the players care about him when even he might be gone soon too?I’m sorry but I really do not buy into that at all. I do agree that as a team we are not quite firing on all cylinders, however, I still come back to the observations made in earlier posts (some of which I have said myself). The players need to step up to the mark, they need to stop sulking and get on with it – with all this head down, not arsed nonsense they will never attract the attention of other clubs (oh! are they really that stupid).
Finally, someone made the observation that, as well as the players, the other common denominator in play here is the backroom staff. I’m afraid that Mackay needs to have a conference call with DW and tell him that they have had their run and it’s time to bring his own, determined and hungry staff in to arrest this player/backroom staff big sulk. They are like a group of kids in the school yard who will not let anyone join in their game of Skilly.
I want to see Mackay active in this window for both players and coaches.
As for my own personal opinion, which carries far more weight than anybody else’s at the club based on a number of years playing in the Wigan Amateur League and 50 odd years watching, I have yet to be convinced either of them are any better than those currently favoured.
But what do I know?
WOW!
…and I bet you had no problem heading the ball, but struggled getting it through the changing room door.[/quote]
A bit of a whoosh moment there I’m afraid IWBITD, and you of all people.[/quote]
Caught me on a bad day there sir. [cap doffed]
As for my own personal opinion, which carries far more weight than anybody else’s at the club based on a number of years playing in the Wigan Amateur League and 50 odd years watching, I have yet to be convinced either of them are any better than those currently favoured.But what do I know?
WOW!
…and I bet you had no problem heading the ball, but struggled getting it through the changing room door.
Nope, you’ve completely missed the point yet again.On you go then, seeing as you’re all very happy with what we’re putting out at the moment. Should be rubbing your hands with glee at the prospect of someone like Maynard coming back up front on his jack.
Just because you aren’t the best trainer doesn’t mean you can’t be the best player on a Saturday. Football history is littered with out of work poor trainers.
Managers have their favourites and the current favourites should be in the development squad imo.
…couldn’t agree more there Tez
Not really that fussed to be honest but I’d like my belly to not stick out further than my moobs if I can make it happen.
;)
Striker Andy Delort is another facing an uncertain future, with the Frenchman being linked with a move away just four months after joining from Tours.Despite scoring goals for the Development Squad in recent weeks – and with the first team struggling to find the mark – Delort has remained a fringe player.
“We put the players in the Development Squad to give them 90 minutes under their belt,” Mackay added.
“What I see in training every day is how I act in terms of team selection is concerned.
“The team I put out is the team I feel is going to do best for the club at that point.
“Everyone else has to be the best professional they can be and apply themselves as best they can to get involved in the future.”
Personally I go off what I see on the pitch, can you imagine some players over the years getting a game, if managers went off the training ground only?
“Hey Watson, come over here son. You’re just back from injury, not quite fully fit yet and an average midfielder at best. You’ve been absolutely cack all week on the training ground and you really need to work on your free kicks and positional play so make sure you bring your kit on Saturday as I want to give you a full 90 minutes, because that’s where it really counts”.
Yep – I can see the logic in that. Makes complete sense to me; in fact all we really need is one of those compilation youtube videos to see what players can really do.