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I have really tried to join in with all the doom, gloom, retribution and the general “slagging off” of all things Wigan Athletic. I am finding it impossible though because I can’t stop looking to the challenges ahead and getting quite excited about them.
Who knows what fate awaits us (apart from Bickymon and Loudmouth) and how we will adapt to life back in the Championship. One thing for certain is that we will be able to watch everything unfold at a ridiculously low cost.
Life supporting Wigan Athletic has always been, and always will be, a roller coaster ride so why are people so bitter and twisted when things go against us. How can people speak ill of the men who gave us eight years in the Premier League and a historic FA Cup victory (I still can’t believe it!!).
Until recently the watch-word at Wigan was “believe” – what a joke it is when you read some of the posts on here. A roller coaster without the lows is just a rail track and if that’s what people want then there is a regular service to Old Trafford.
Sorry for being positive again; I promise to redouble my efforts to be bitter and twisted so that I can fit in better.
Why should I know “what fate awaits us” ?
Why have you included my name in your monologue, do I include you in mine?
The only thing I do know is I won’t embellish a post or tell lies to try and give that post an air of legitimacy.[/quote]You are quite correct. I shouldn’t have aligned you with Bickymon, he didn’t deserve that. He is just misguided whilst you are a conceited offensive low-life who confuses defamation with banter.[/quote]
I prefer all that to being a liar.[/quote]
Loudmouth, your repeated defamatory remarks do not deserve a response and I would normally treat them with the contempt they deserve. You have shown yourself to be the conceited offensive low-life that I accused you of previously and I couldn’t care less what your opinion of me is. However there are decent people on here whose opinion of me I do care about and this response is directed at them.
I have often been referred to as an awkward old sod, an idiot, a fool, stupid and so on but never, in my whole life, have I ever been accused of being a liar by anyone who knows me or who knows of me. To state that someone is a LIAR in capital letters without knowing the person or knowing the facts is just about as low as you can get and is no better than calling someone a thief. Money was scarce when I was growing up but I was always taught that respect, honesty and good manners cost nothing and were the basis of a successful life… what were you taught?
I have often been mistaken, misguided, confused, forgetful and even completely wrong (I know it is hard to believe!) but I have NEVER been a liar.
I know that your response will be equally as vile as your previous ones but it will only confirm what a nasty piece of work you are.
If we forget the WHO for a moment and consider the desired attributes of any new manager, these are my top 4 in order of priority irrespective of the name of the guy.Realism: The single most important thing for me is that the new manager understands from day one, and is happy to work within, strict financial controls which will ensure that Wigan Athletic is run as a viable business concern. I don’t care who he is as long as he doesn’t whinge after 6 or 12 months that more funds aren’t available.
Entertainment: Watching football is my hobby, it’s what I do on my days off work and therefore I want to enjoy it. I’d rather see us win 10 games 3-2, draw 10 games 2-2 and lose 10 games 2-3 than win 15 dull games 1-0 and draw 15 dull games 0-0.
Playing Style: Personal preference but I like to watch teams get the ball on the ground and pass it about and I like to see teams which are attack minded as opposed to being defensive and cautious.
Success: This is a relative measure and very arbitrary, if I’m totally honest I’m not really bothered if we get relegated again as long as all the above have been fulfilled, If we can do all the above, then avoiding relegation would be another successful season for me.
I agree with most of that apart from your last paragraph. Dave Whelan and Roberto Martinez have worked really hard to build a sustainable family football club that grows year on year (support wise). It does my heart good to see all our young fans dressed in their Wigan Athletic kits when just a few years ago they would all have been wearing Man Utd’s et al. It would be a pity if we started to slide down the leagues after all that magnificent work.
I would also include PRIDE in your list. Roberto Martinez was one of the few managers we have had that was proud to be our manager. I got the impression that even Paul Jewel was embarrassed to be our manager at times because we were not big enough for him. It would almost certainly exclude the likes of Steve (Harrods) Bruce from the job who gave the impression he was doing us a favour being here.
I bet they are all life-long supporters and could name each and every player.
Don’t believe the cynics who would have you believe that they are the ultimate band-wagon jumpers pandering to their electorate. ;)
I have really tried to join in with all the doom, gloom, retribution and the general “slagging off” of all things Wigan Athletic. I am finding it impossible though because I can’t stop looking to the challenges ahead and getting quite excited about them.
Who knows what fate awaits us (apart from Bickymon and Loudmouth) and how we will adapt to life back in the Championship. One thing for certain is that we will be able to watch everything unfold at a ridiculously low cost.
Life supporting Wigan Athletic has always been, and always will be, a roller coaster ride so why are people so bitter and twisted when things go against us. How can people speak ill of the men who gave us eight years in the Premier League and a historic FA Cup victory (I still can’t believe it!!).
Until recently the watch-word at Wigan was “believe” – what a joke it is when you read some of the posts on here. A roller coaster without the lows is just a rail track and if that’s what people want then there is a regular service to Old Trafford.
Sorry for being positive again; I promise to redouble my efforts to be bitter and twisted so that I can fit in better.
Why should I know “what fate awaits us” ?
Why have you included my name in your monologue, do I include you in mine?
The only thing I do know is I won’t embellish a post or tell lies to try and give that post an air of legitimacy.[/quote]You are quite correct. I shouldn’t have aligned you with Bickymon, he didn’t deserve that. He is just misguided whilst you are a conceited offensive low-life who confuses defamation with banter.
Bickymon, you are as boringly negative as I am boringly positive. I have thoroughly enjoyed my time SUPPORTING Wigan Athletic whilst you must be suffering greatly with stomach ulcers and high blood pressure.
Live longer … join the Lightside !!
On second thoughts …
conceded shedfull of goals shedfull of defeats taken us to a new level (championship)
possibility of losing our best players
left with calldwell boozer joe and the likes only one way for us downwards
martinez out
ok FA cup success but that just paperd over the cracksYou must be a barrel of laughs down the pub. Do you ever have a day off?
Bet you don’t drink with Griff. :)
I would have bought a shed-load if it said “winners”.
Looks like a lack of conviction – surely everyone knew we would win :)
Disagree
Author accuses Martinez of being naive – how naive is he himself?
Probably seen a couple of matches on MoD and he is the expert on Wigan Athletic. A little more research would not have gone amiss but then again; what’s new?
XXXXX – who are you? Are you Tony Pulis in disguise trying to get Martinez fired so you can introduce your exciting brand of football to the DW?
I don’t think what I,or anyone else says on here will get him the sack.That is up to our beloved owner and I don’t think he will have an account on here to listen to us.
I was just asking your opinions on an article I had read and as I stated,I agree with it especially martinez not having a plan b.We had to score.2,3 and sometimes 4 goals just to get a draw.Some say we went down because of our injuries in defence,but even with a defence we were shipping 60 goals + a season since Martinez arrived.He would say in his interviews,they will learn from these mistakes,but either he or the defence never learned,they made the same mistakes again and again.
I like Martinez’s style of football,but with a plan to mix it up a little if we get into trouble.Prime example ,2 of the goals against Swansea,if we had cleared the ball downfield they wouldn’t have scored.
It is just my opinion on the article and Martinez.sorry for any offence to you good self and others,who don’t agree.
yours,t.p(the track suited one)[/quote]The theory is that whoever controls the ball controls the game. If we have the ball then our opponents can’t score. When we have pushed men forward, it is essential that we don’t lose the ball because we will be punished by speedy counter attacks. This is the reason why we don’t shoot at every opportunity – one blocked shot and an unlucky rebound could lead to disaster at the other end.
Martinez can’t be held responsible for individual errors (Figueroa’s and Watson’s spring to mind). There are times when the better option is to just clear the ball or put it in row Z. The problem with just hoofing the ball is that it usually comes straight back so nothing is gained and the initiative has been given to our opponents.
Martinez’s other constraint is MONEY. He can’t afford the Ferdinands of this world so he has to coach/educate youngsters et al and make do with a paper-thin squad. To have a plan B you need players on the bench to execute that plan, it’s a shame he can’t afford Messi as a squad player.
Just my view – you are obviously entitled to yours.
Disagree
Author accuses Martinez of being naive – how naive is he himself?
Probably seen a couple of matches on MoD and he is the expert on Wigan Athletic. A little more research would not have gone amiss but then again; what’s new?
XXXXX – who are you? Are you Tony Pulis in disguise trying to get Martinez fired so you can introduce your exciting brand of football to the DW?
Stay
My gut feeling is that Roberto and Dave Whelan have not finished their “project” of building a sustainable Premier League club from a club that was on the verge of extinction.
It’s obviously not about money but more about building a club to a model that doesn’t have to rely on a benefactor with deep pockets for it’s very existence.
I may be way off the mark but I also feel that, if he was going to leave, he would have gone to Aston Villa or Liverpool rather than Everton (can’t even contemplate him going to Stoke).
Attendances continue to rise and the new training facilities are in the pipeline so the “project” is still alive and well. I don’t think he will leave yet, but when he does, I think he’ll have a holistic football CV which no one else in the game could match.
Hope I’m right – don’t want Fil’s egg on my face ;)
Fil, At the risk of sounding superior, there was no egg on my face. Let me explain why …
When Roberto explained the reason he played the youngsters in the cup matches, I must admit that I was disappointed we didn’t play our strongest team but… I supported them anyway and only expressed my disappointment in private.
When Callum Macmanaman was first called up to play in the first team, I remember commenting to my son that Martinez rated him very highly but personally I couldn’t see it. A few games later I changed my opinion and commented that he may have something after all. The rest is history.
When we won our way through to the final, I thought privately that we would be beaten but I kept these thoughts to myself and publicly proclaimed that we would win at a canter. I went to London, for four days, determined to enjoy the experience whatever the outcome. You can imagine my unbridled joy when the miracle happened.
What I am trying to say Fil is that we all have the same doubts and frustrations but some of us have learned to choose our words carefully. Once something is said it can’t be unsaid and there is always the danger that you could make yourself look a proper chump.
History was made at Wembley but unfortunately our relegation is now part of our history as well. The next page is still blank so have faith – it may tell of our return to the Premier League or European glory :)
Apologies if this post is too positive for you, it’s just my old-fashioned set of values which have no place in modern society. ;)
At the risk of getting sycophantic, I am starting to get worried now. when I read 99% of posts, I think… I would have written that, word for word.
Again, on this occasion, I couldn’t agree more with everything in that post.
Would you like to go for a drink sometime? ;) :blush:[/quote]
Griff, according to Aesop a man is known by the company he keeps. Your street-cred would hit rock bottom if you were to be seen with me. You have already been unfriended by Fil for making the offer. ;)