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Anybody braving the train?
My understanding is bus replacements for most services between Wigan and Manchester but you can get the train between Wigan North Western and Piccadilly.
Can Anyone confirm that? I have looked but still doubting myself.
2 More wins from our last 5 will secure promotion. Cant see Shrewsbury reaching 94 points(4 Wins from 5).Afc Wimbledon tickets only £10.So all the glory hunting clowns can turn up and play the big fan and do the pitch invasion with prams and things, delaying any kind of player walk around.
Some will shoot me down, but I wish theyd just have stuck to normal prices rather that enticing these whoppers.The offer is no good to us season ticket holders, who stump up our money first every season. Its no surprise though. I just think its wrong. My opinion.
You are entitled to your opinion even though it’s a narrow minded one.
We should never give up on trying to increase our core fan base.
Even if only a tiny percentage make a return visit in the future, it would be worthwhile.
2 More wins from our last 5 will secure promotion. Cant see Shrewsbury reaching 94 points(4 Wins from 5).
I’m really looking forward to the “I go away games all season but I don’t have a season ticket” brigade having right good moan on social media.
Season Ticket Holders > Non Season Ticket Holders.
Psychologically, tomorrow is massive. Opening up a 5 point lead on Shrewsbury with 6 games to play would be significant.
The players and the fans should be approaching this like a cup final.
Nobody will remember the Portsmouth game if we secure a comfortable win against MK Dons and move back into the automatics with a game in hand.
They certainly won’t remember it if we also beat Rochdale on Tuesday.
Cook should rest as many of the first team squad as possible considering how they’ve played in the last two game. We have a heavily congested last couple of months of the season and we need fresh legs. We ain’t going to win the FA Cup and we ain’t going to trouble city with our tired looking first team.
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Wage bill won’t be ten million. Top earner at club is Nick Powell on 8K per week. Rest nowhere near that.Bigroy was right. Wage bill was nowhere near 10million.
Had a debate elsewhere recently about the financial position of our club and what the future might look like. Some of you maybe interested in what I found –
Starting with the facts. The below relates to the 15/16 season when we were promoted from League 1 (Last set of published figures).
Turnover – £15.7m (This turnover includes £12m in Parachute Payments :( )
Salary Costs – £11.9m
Transfers – £2.0m profit made
Overall loss made – -£2.3m
Below is an assumption of what the financial figures will be for this season (17/18) by using the figures from the last time we were in this League (Less the parachute payments)
Turnover – £3.7m
Salary costs – £10m (Assumed a small reduction but could be higher, Powell, Morsy, Grigg will be on decent wages)
Transfers – I’m going to ignore any profit made from players sales because the club cannot rely on having a 6/7m Yanic Wildschute to sell every season.
Overal loss of – £6-7mill (Surprisingly a similar figure we received for yanic)
To Summarise
– Current wage budget maintained due to Yanic money. Squad would look a lot different from the one you see today if he wasn’t sold in January
– Failure to get promoted back to the Championship will result in the squad being broken up and wage bill reduced to around the 4million mark (a 60% reduction). Alternatively, the club rack up debts of about 6/7mill a year.
– Being in the championship worth about £8mill extra a year to our club (Heard Jonathan Jackson say this once). Essential that we get promoted to have a chance of keeping the likes of Morsy, Grigg, Powell, etc.
– Parachute Payments may have stopped, but we are still benefitting from the effects of the investments made with the premier league money. Yanic being one of those investments. This wont last.
I’ve obviously made a lot of assumptions above. Feel free to correct me.
Thought I would bump this back to the top having just viewed the latest set of financial figures that cover the 16/17 season. My prediction for this seasons finances appear on target based on the latest figures
We will post a 6/7million loss for this season ending 31st May 2018 (figures for this season will be realeased this time next year). This is unless we sell players to cover this loss in January.
The perspective new owners will know this. Will they be happy to cover the losses or will they persue a sustainable future?
Interesting times.[/quote]
I’ve read that at last nights AGM, Jonathan Jackson confirmed that losses for this season (17/18) will be around the 10million mark. Its worse than I predicted.
Some points of note:
1. Our Wage bill must be in access of 13million a year to record a loss of 10million. For comparison, Burton Albion’s wage bill was around 3million when they were promoted with us back in 15/16
2. Turnover will be around 4million in league 1. Burton Albion’s Turnover was also around 4million (L1), it jumped to 11million when competing in the championship. I think we can expect a similar jump in turnover.
If you didn’t already know, promotion is essential.
At the moment we are going to need at least a dozen players if we gain promotion. A dozen players of at least his standard. That’s providing we don’t lose any players. Then wages on top.Absolute nonsense.
Had a debate elsewhere recently about the financial position of our club and what the future might look like. Some of you maybe interested in what I found –Starting with the facts. The below relates to the 15/16 season when we were promoted from League 1 (Last set of published figures).
Turnover – £15.7m (This turnover includes £12m in Parachute Payments :( )
Salary Costs – £11.9m
Transfers – £2.0m profit made
Overall loss made – -£2.3m
Below is an assumption of what the financial figures will be for this season (17/18) by using the figures from the last time we were in this League (Less the parachute payments)
Turnover – £3.7m
Salary costs – £10m (Assumed a small reduction but could be higher, Powell, Morsy, Grigg will be on decent wages)
Transfers – I’m going to ignore any profit made from players sales because the club cannot rely on having a 6/7m Yanic Wildschute to sell every season.
Overal loss of – £6-7mill (Surprisingly a similar figure we received for yanic)
To Summarise
– Current wage budget maintained due to Yanic money. Squad would look a lot different from the one you see today if he wasn’t sold in January
– Failure to get promoted back to the Championship will result in the squad being broken up and wage bill reduced to around the 4million mark (a 60% reduction). Alternatively, the club rack up debts of about 6/7mill a year.
– Being in the championship worth about £8mill extra a year to our club (Heard Jonathan Jackson say this once). Essential that we get promoted to have a chance of keeping the likes of Morsy, Grigg, Powell, etc.
– Parachute Payments may have stopped, but we are still benefitting from the effects of the investments made with the premier league money. Yanic being one of those investments. This wont last.
I’ve obviously made a lot of assumptions above. Feel free to correct me.
Thought I would bump this back to the top having just viewed the latest set of financial figures that cover the 16/17 season. My prediction for this seasons finances appear on target based on the latest figures
We will post a 6/7million loss for this season ending 31st May 2018 (figures for this season will be realeased this time next year). This is unless we sell players to cover this loss in January.
The perspective new owners will know this. Will they be happy to cover the losses or will they persue a sustainable future?
Interesting times.
Canned for getting people talking about him and the station he works for on football messageboards/Twitter?
He’ll probably get a payrise.
I agree to an extent. I’m not saying my figures are spot on, but I’m sure we can all agree that we will have to make significant changes if our long term future is League 1/Lower Championship.
You mention money from the sale of Burn, Morsy and Grigg. Another example of premier league money being invested and potentially offsetting any future loses. It wont last.
You can’t have a business model that relies on having a player to sell for millions every year.
Our long term future will be relying on a wage budget less that half of what we currently enjoy.
Unless, of course, you have an academy that produces these players on a fairly regular basis like Mddlesbrough and Crewe have done in the past.
We’re starting to show signs of producing decent players from the academy, so fingers crossed, we get promoted this year and can keep that up.[/quote]
We may have decent young players in the academy but how many are close to making a significant break through?
We have an advantage over the majority of League 1 at this moment in time. The advantage will disappear (or significantly reduce) next season.[/quote]There are a few who are out on loan at present who could potentially be first teamers or sold for a profit next season.
No seven million pound players yet, but it’s definitely a step in the right direction from when Bruce pretty much closed down the academy and took all emphasis away from youth development in order to channel the funds into sustaining a high first team wage bill.[/quote]
Bruce channelled funds away from youth development? That’s a big claim.
How much do you think the club was spending on youth development at the time?
How much of the £40million+ a year wage bill was thanks to channelling money away from youth development?[/quote]
It is a big claim, but accounts of Bruce’s disinterest in the youth teams were widespread at the time of Martinez’s appointment.No idea what the financials were. Probably peanuts in the grand scheme of things.
My point is, there is a noticeable improvement on the amount of players who come through the ranks at Wigan than there was ten years ago – albeit, even if they are then loaned out.[/quote]
So no proof that Bruce decided to “Pretty much closed down the academy to channel funds to the first team”? It was just an assumption?
Ultimately, a decision to stop funding youth development would not be left in the current managers hands.
That noticeable improvement maybe due to the fact we are now in League One. The standard needed to make it into our first team is not as high.
