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What a cracking strike from Podolski :) A fitting end to a great international career and he was born in Poland :P
Ironic really when you think that had we not mullered the krauts in 45 Poland would probably not exist.[/quote]
I don’t want to get into a debate, but you’ll find it was the Soviets who drove the Germans out of Poland in 1944/1945.
My in-laws (Poles) were deported by them to Archangel up in the Arctic. :(Same at New Springfield is it Latics who pay for the pitch developments or does the landlord pay for all that? By landlord I mean Wigan Athletic holdings or whatever the name is.There are two companies within Wigan Athletic Holdings – Wigan Athletic AFC Limited (which is the football club), and Wigan Football Company Limited (which runs the stadium).
They are separate companies, but Dave Whelan has underwritten both.
Have a look at the two sets of company accounts.
It actually wouldn’t make business sense at all.
You would then be putting two sporting teams at risk if one or other gets into financial difficulties for whatever reason. One will always be a drain on teh other unless you have the hugely unlikely situation of both being massive profit-making concerns.
The usual business strategy – as evinced perfectly by the way DW has run his business – is to compartmentalise, so liability is constrained. We have a separation between us and the ground for example. We may moan about it – but it’s actually a sound business arrangement. If one or other get in trouble then the other is safe.I realise that transfer dealings are of necessity secret, but as we see so much posted about “the club got 7 million for Yanic and ought to be spending it” is it possible to mitigate some of the comments: is there a sell-on sum that has to be provided to Middlesbrough; is some of the total sum agreed to be paid based on perfromance and results; and like most transfers is the payment staged over a period of time? I suppose put simply, did the club receive a suitcase jammed full of used fivers from Norwich – or is it a lot more complicated than people would (wish to) believe.
I’ve actually wished that I had packed in going when we won the cup.
20,000 other people did[/quote]
That means we were getting 30,000 home fans into 20,000 home seats. And still they said our support was rubbish![/quote]
I think he means those who were loyal fans at Wembley and have never been seen since
He may give barrow the job doesn’t mean he will.
Depends whose interested and available hope barrow keeps us up though actually think we will win Saturday!Precisely.
What’s he supposed to say “Actually I’ve given Graeme the job to dig us out of the mire, but even if he does well there isn’t a cat’s chance in Hell that I’ll give him the job because some of the posters on Cockney Latic don’t like him”?
It’s called motivating; giving him something to aim for.
And there is no real point in looking for a new manager now with 8 games to go – if we find one with say 4 games to go, then that will disrupt whatever has been put in place in these next few weeks. If we go down the foundations have already been laid. I see no problem in supporting the manager who has been put in place, and worry about who gets the job, Barrow or other, when the dust has settled.The fans are not split on this one, you will be very hard pushed to find anyone to side with Joyce and his skillset.That is very noticeable.
In the past when we have the debate about managers there are often those (myself included) who side with the incumbent, saying we could see what he was trying to do etc and he just needs time.
But now those who don’t think we should get rid now are basing that thought on the destabilising effect on the club overall, and questioning who we would get in, rather than giving support for Joyce.
It has been a long long time since we had a manager that no-one has a good word for.Just because of who his dad is we should now look to Warnock to become more of a leader on the pitch he must pick his dads brains and like him or not Colin Wanker is one of the best in the business at this level. A word in the ear and Warnock the younger may just make a difference .You don’t think Stephen Warnock is Neil Warnock’s son, do you? :D
Because he isn’t :D :D :D
I present our new manager:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hanky-leatemia/profil/trainer/35416
Wembley that year had hosted the Horse of the Year show just previoulsy, and it was even at the time noted as a disgrace.
You can tell he has lost the dressing room the way the players are almost apologetic to the fans after defeat.
We all know what the problem is hope it gets sorted before it really is too late.I agree that he should go, but that does not absolve the players.
If they are so much together against the manager, then when they set foot on the pitch they could easily do their own thing, and ignore him, and play the ever flowing superb football that they obviously wish to, but are being constrained by the manager. But they don’t. Because they also don’t have aclue, and some of the blame lies with them too.7 years wow that’s a long time you have mostly only seen the good times but proper fans stick with their club no matter what I have watched Wigan athletic for just short of 50 years and trust me I have watched sum shite and sum great stuff but if you feel like that after just 7 years then go and don’t cum backYou clearly don’t know Rich – I think he missed out a few words round “for the last 7 years”
Well said, Pie Army.
I need to clarify though that sacking someone with a three year contract does not mean you have to pay three years wages. If that was the case loads of us mere mortals would get jobs oncontracts and then get ourselves sacked.
Contracts are a two-way agreement; the employer will pay x pounds in return for which the employee will perform certain duties. It provides more security than all the current newsworthy non-contractual ways employers get round paying tax and pension contributions. But it does not give absolute security, and it does not guarantee full payment.
Contracts can be unilaterally varied by either party. If the employer terminates it then there is a consideration of compensation. In normal life,as in football, this is often a matter of negotiation. Factors to be considered are how much has been lost, but that also would include the prospects of gaining another job. For a good coach (which Joyce seems to be, just a rubbish manager) his prospects of getting another job somewhere less pressured would appear good. An amount is agreed.
If agreement cannot be reached then us mortals would go to Employment Tribunal; football has its own, I believe, but is likely to follow similar rules, just keeping them inhouse and out of public view.
The tribunal would consider if the dismissal was unfair. For example a Chairman just bringing his mate in, or whether, in our case, it could be argued that the manager has failed his side of the contract in not producing acceptable results. The tribunal can make a reduced award, distributing culpability, but … and this is key … in an ET at least,even with full unfair dismissal, any award is limited to one year’s pay. Discrimination of course is a different matter here, but there does not appear to be an issue with that for Joyce, or at least an excuse for the poor performance.
