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I agree to an extent. I’m not saying my figures are spot on, but I’m sure we can all agree that we will have to make significant changes if our long term future is League 1/Lower Championship.
You mention money from the sale of Burn, Morsy and Grigg. Another example of premier league money being invested and potentially offsetting any future loses. It wont last.
You can’t have a business model that relies on having a player to sell for millions every year.
Our long term future will be relying on a wage budget less that half of what we currently enjoy.
Unless, of course, you have an academy that produces these players on a fairly regular basis like Mddlesbrough and Crewe have done in the past.
We’re starting to show signs of producing decent players from the academy, so fingers crossed, we get promoted this year and can keep that up.[/quote]
We may have decent young players in the academy but how many are close to making a significant break through?
We have an advantage over the majority of League 1 at this moment in time. The advantage will disappear (or significantly reduce) next season.[/quote]There are a few who are out on loan at present who could potentially be first teamers or sold for a profit next season.
No seven million pound players yet, but it’s definitely a step in the right direction from when Bruce pretty much closed down the academy and took all emphasis away from youth development in order to channel the funds into sustaining a high first team wage bill.
I agree to an extent. I’m not saying my figures are spot on, but I’m sure we can all agree that we will have to make significant changes if our long term future is League 1/Lower Championship.You mention money from the sale of Burn, Morsy and Grigg. Another example of premier league money being invested and potentially offsetting any future loses. It wont last.
You can’t have a business model that relies on having a player to sell for millions every year.
Our long term future will be relying on a wage budget less that half of what we currently enjoy.
Unless, of course, you have an academy that produces these players on a fairly regular basis like Mddlesbrough and Crewe have done in the past.
We’re starting to show signs of producing decent players from the academy, so fingers crossed, we get promoted this year and can keep that up.
It’s simple Donny, first dabs go to the fans that show the most commitment to the club, and that is the season ticket holders.
They are the ones that fork out up front before they even know who will be playing for the club and that loyalty deserves preferential treatment when it comes to away tickets.
There should be some kind of perk for non season ticket holders who travel the length and breadth of the country to away matches but most are probably season ticket holders anyway.But surely fans who traveled to Charlton in midweek and the many others who travel to away games week in week out should have preference to anyone, season ticket holders or not.
I think the main motivation rather than commitment for purchasing a season ticket for most is the cost. Would we have sold 6500 or so this season if season tickets had been £500-00 plus?
Like I said though the vast majority of supporters who saw the two Blackpool games and league games away will be season ticket holders anyway so season ticket holders who have been to away games or cup games should take preference for tickets when there is a potential demand and that should be limited to one each.[/quote]
The main motivation for buying a season ticket for most people is commitment. When you buy a ticket you are guaranteed your usual seat and you’re in it for the season – good or bad. The alternative is to buy tickets ad-hoc, but when it’s not going too well, or if you can’t make it, you don’t buy a ticket – and the club doesn’t benefit from this.Likewise, people who travelled to Charlton bought tickets off Charlton – not Wigan.
Therefore, those who support Wigan Athletic financially should get priority – ie. like Horc says, the season ticket holders.
Then when they’ve had their window, it should go to those with a history of away game purchases.[/quote]
So you don’t think that season ticket holders who have an history of following Latics away should have first choice then?
If I had a season ticket and had been to all away games this season and missed out on a local away trip because someone had got in the queue before me I would be pissed off wouldn’t you?[/quote]
No, I do agree with that.It should be:
Season ticket holders with away game history
Season ticket holders
People with away game history but no season ticketIt’s simple Donny, first dabs go to the fans that show the most commitment to the club, and that is the season ticket holders.
They are the ones that fork out up front before they even know who will be playing for the club and that loyalty deserves preferential treatment when it comes to away tickets.
There should be some kind of perk for non season ticket holders who travel the length and breadth of the country to away matches but most are probably season ticket holders anyway.But surely fans who traveled to Charlton in midweek and the many others who travel to away games week in week out should have preference to anyone, season ticket holders or not.
I think the main motivation rather than commitment for purchasing a season ticket for most is the cost. Would we have sold 6500 or so this season if season tickets had been £500-00 plus?
Like I said though the vast majority of supporters who saw the two Blackpool games and league games away will be season ticket holders anyway so season ticket holders who have been to away games or cup games should take preference for tickets when there is a potential demand and that should be limited to one each.[/quote]
The main motivation for buying a season ticket for most people is commitment. When you buy a ticket you are guaranteed your usual seat and you’re in it for the season – good or bad. The alternative is to buy tickets ad-hoc, but when it’s not going too well, or if you can’t make it, you don’t buy a ticket – and the club doesn’t benefit from this.Likewise, people who travelled to Charlton bought tickets off Charlton – not Wigan.
Therefore, those who support Wigan Athletic financially should get priority – ie. like Horc says, the season ticket holders.
Then when they’ve had their window, it should go to those with a history of away game purchases.
+11 vs -10 goal difference, a certain win isn’t it?
Plymouth haven’t won away yet this season & scoring goals is a rare happening for them. They’ve only scored 3 away all season, & only two in their last five league games.
This is the perfect time to play them I think. Get us back to winning ways.
4 – 0 to Wigan
Hope so marrer but nothing is straight forward in football. In a game like this might he be tempted to go with both Grigg and Toney.[/quote]
Don’t think there’s any point doing that.We’re creating enough chances as it is. We just need to put more of them in the net.
This is the instant he connects with the ball.
Surely you can’t still say this ball is anything other a couple of inches off the ground?
Even if that’s the case it’s in a line with his standing foot, which is on the line.[/quote]
It’s in line with the heel of his standing foot, which is behind the line.You can even see the ball’s shadow – which is also behind the line.
I’ve told you: I won’t be convinced otherwise![/quote]
Ya need to get your eyes tested man!!
Part of the shadow of the ball is on the line & considering where the floodlights are (to the side & diagonally forward of the goal) the shadow won’t be directly underneath the ball anyway – it will be at an angle slightly behind the actual position of the ball.
I also find it hard to believe that the assistant wasn’t in line with play at that point – he will have been in line with the 2nd rear most defender who in this case was on the deck in the 6 yard box when Morsy picked up the ball. The shot from Morsy was hardly a rocket & to move from where that player was to the goal line was a couple of side steps.
He wouldn’t (or rather should never have been) stood on the edge of the penalty area with the rest of the players when Morsy first picked up the ball.Maybe someone should contact Sky & get them to use that fancy software they have to straighten it out once & for all – but I know I’m right ;) :P[/quote]
Nope. Not having it. The ball was a good 6″ in. I know I’m right, and that’s all that matters!For the record, I’m with whoever it was who said earlier that the linesman didn’t get to the corner in time.
We commented on this during the game that he was slow up and down that line all night, and at one point there was a throw-in and clear as a bell he mouthed ‘Ive no idea’ before the ref gave the throw-in – which was greeted by a chorus of heckles.
For the not-given-goal, I didn’t see where the lino was, but my mate who I sit with commented that he was ‘nowhere near that one. He’s not a clue.’
This is the instant he connects with the ball.
Surely you can’t still say this ball is anything other a couple of inches off the ground?
Even if that’s the case it’s in a line with his standing foot, which is on the line.[/quote]
It’s in line with the heel of his standing foot, which is behind the line.You can even see the ball’s shadow – which is also behind the line.
I’ve told you: I won’t be convinced otherwise!
This is the instant he connects with the ball.
Surely you can’t still say this ball is anything other a couple of inches off the ground?

You can just at easily change the line to show it was not as high in the air and was behind the goal line by moving your line slightly to the left!
Also I’d argue that there’s a dark shadow under the ball that you wouldn’t have had if was higher in the air.
If you watch the slow motion version his foot appears to brush the floor as he connects with the ball, whereas, by the length of vertical line you’ve drawn there, that ball would be almost at knee level.
Edit: Plus…..(I’ll continue) in this version his striking leg is straight and the ball appears to be at the heel of his standing foot when he connects with it.
To me, his body shape is all wrong to suggest he’s clearing a ball that’s in the air and that’s in front of him.
And you won’t convince me otherwise!
twitter.com/MrCalliJ/status/910513057356554240
Disagree Tyldesley
The ball comes off the post and bounces on the line, but it then veers over the line – either because it’s spinning, by witchcraft, due to the gravitational pull of Jupiter, or whatever
Look at the slow motion version. When their lad connects with the ball, his foot either sweeps the ground or it pretty damn close to doing that and the ball is clearly over the line – nothing to do with height and perception.
Just incase you're not convinced Paul @PKendrickWIG @sammorsy08 @WeahsCousin pic.twitter.com/Rrwj0zGaen
— Callum (@MrCalliJ) September 20, 2017
As you said though, can completely understand why the officials didn’t spot it as even with slow motion people are still disputing it.
Nope – I’ll still argue that it wasn’t over the line. If you pause that footage at the exact moment that he kicks the ball, it is off the ground because you can see the shadow of the ball on the line.
Bearing in mind that the floodlights at Latics don’t come from the corners or behind the goal but from the side that gives you an indication that a) the ball is off the ground & b) that the ball isn’t completely over the lineI rest my case!! :P[/quote]
Don’t know what you’re looking at, but I can’t see a shadow on the line when he clears it!In fact, if you follow the shadow rather than the ball, you’ll see it deviates in its course.
One of us needs our eyes testing, and bearing in mind what you do/use to do on football pitches at weekends….
Just saying
https://twitter.com/potkettleblack/status/910268154697408513
The camera never lies….usually :woohoo:
I have a photo on my phone of it bouncing on the line but I can’t get the damn thing up on here!!![/quote]
Just watched it yet again on mine…hits the post, runs along the line and crosses the line just before the defender clears it.
The defender’s right foot is on the line (his toes). He’s swinging his left foot back to kick the ball.
Put it on next week’s spot the ball and see where peeps think the ball is
Don’t get me wrong here…this was out stroke of luck…not getting the goal didn’t affect the winning result. Let’s hope we don’t miss automatic promo by 1 goal on GD :S[/quote]
He might swing his left foot back but at the exact moment he kicks the ball his left leg is much further forward & the ball has dropped in height & much less like its completely over the line.
Not saying a lot of it isn’t over the line but I don’t think it all was hence no goal.
Ultimately it didn’t matter but I think that even if it had the officials couldn’t be criticised – like I said, there are other points where it looks like it might be over but when it bounces it’s clear that it isn’t[/quote]
Disagree TyldesleyThe ball comes off the post and bounces on the line, but it then veers over the line – either because it’s spinning, by witchcraft, due to the gravitational pull of Jupiter, or whatever
Look at the slow motion version. When their lad connects with the ball, his foot either sweeps the ground or it pretty damn close to doing that and the ball is clearly over the line – nothing to do with height and perception.
Just incase you're not convinced Paul @PKendrickWIG @sammorsy08 @WeahsCousin pic.twitter.com/Rrwj0zGaen
— Callum (@MrCalliJ) September 20, 2017
As you said though, can completely understand why the officials didn’t spot it as even with slow motion people are still disputing it.
I am not an old tight git and have probably paid more money to Wigan Athletic than most on here!?? Plus, I am not saying that I cant afford to pay around £77 for just one 3rd level match, as I do have my own businesses, and the £77 represents around an hour and 10 mins work of net pay.So its not that I can’t afford it, its the principle ….£77 for just one 3rd level game of football for 2 adults and a 13yo child is an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE….And I will NOT be going to ANY GAMES at these prices this season. It will be the first time since 1971 that I will have not been to any games. When I 1st started watching The Latics I think it was around 10p to get in, and i used to sell programs to get free entry + a few penny’s commission.
We used to go to places like: Netherfield, Skem Utd, Matlock, Great Harwood, Ellesmere Port Town, since 1971 I have probably missed less than 20 home games in all that time before this season.
But, now I think the club is an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE. Less than 9,000 attended on Sat and there will be even less on Tuesday.
It’s senseless by the club, there will be around 18,000 empty seats on Tuesday, if they started charging £15 for adults and a £5 for under 18’s they may get an extra couple of thousand on.!??
I don’t care what any other clubs charge, I am not interested in any other clubs, and it doesn’t matter what the seasons tickets cost. It’s the pay on the day prices I think are an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!, and as a supporter of over 46 years i believe that i am quite entitled to my opinion without any childish jibes and cat calling thanks very much!
I reckon this lad thinks it’s an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE
I also reckon this is a wind up
And I also reckon this is Dave Garswood on account of the CAPITALISATION in his post
Dave, are you owning up to this?
I don’t think that he ever looked like he was comfortable playing in a 1 up top system which is what our 2 previous managers preferred to play & which is also the preferred style of our current manager.
He may well perform better in a system that plays a conventional front 2 but Latics whole squad is set up to play a different way so to suggest changing that system, unbalancing the squad & having to bring in players suited to a different system & shipping others out is a hell of a lot of upheaval for a player who had 5 months of football league experience at Lge2 level before we signed him, who seems hindered by a groin problem & who one of our previous managers in effect accused of not being able to listen to instructions or take on board adviceI don’t think he looked comfortable – full stop.
I thought his first touch was poor (I’ve never seen a professional footballer underhit so many lay-offs), he rarely won a header, he looked lazy, and his lack of positional sense goes without saying)
Toney looked like an upgraded version of him to me, and I reckon he’d have been fourth choice striker at best had he stayed.
I agree Paul has been out of the game a good while but my post was in reaction to potentially having Gary back. Please God not that. Everything on the manager front just depends on a couple of things..What sort of wages they would get and the size of the war chest.
Personally I’d like Gary back.
But I understand why many wouldn’t, and I’m not sure it would be a good idea considering he was sacked and there were rumours of disharmony in the squad.
I expect the wages will be low and I can’t see there being much if any war chest – which will put off most candidates.
I honestly can’t come up with a name that would apply for it and that would fill me with excitement if he got the job.[/quote]
He’s certainly working the oracle at Chesterfield Johnny ![/quote]
Horses for courses, Phil.Similar to Jewell – who did great job with us, but was abysmal in every job afterwards.
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