TyldesleyLatic

I think its called begrudging respect for what the club has achieved despite no-one liking or caring about us either inside or outside of Wigan

Its a bit patronising in parts but also acknowledges the godo bits we’ve had too

Some of their info is a little wayward mind:
“From Northern leagues to premier league in 10 years” – I wasn’t aware that Div4, div3, league 2 was a league purely for northern teams!!
and i wouldn’t exactly say that the club’s “pre-Xmas fat reserves kept us from the grubby paws of the bottom 3” considering we finished 10th

Wigmon – I think the Israeli death threats to Zaki came when he turned down a move to Pompey last season on the grounds that the club was “too jewish”- and he went into quite an in-depth rant about it too

Quite how anybody can say this:

“Of course Bob is testing our patience at the moment but I believe we will come out of this an more exciting and successful team”

then this:

“If you seriously want Allardyce you know nothing about football.”

and finally this:

“Blinkers off”

and keep a straight face is beyond me

Yes it is just my opinion. That’s why i said “that I’ve paid to watch” & i fully admit to not paying to watch it anywhere near as much as I used to

I would also have no problem going for Bobby’s philosophy to the other end of the spectrum because at a club like Latics & in the division we are in, Bobby’s philosophy (IMO) will never work
You could argue that the players would have to adapt to a completely different style of play, but IMO the majority of em have never adapted to Bobby’s style of play coz many of em aren’t suited to it so I don’t think that would be a problem

You’re probably right about the last bit but I think it’d all depend on what other offers there were on the table. I can’t imagine West Ham going for him to be honest – their fans, of which Sullivan & Gold are 2 of em, buy hook line & sinker into that Academy of football rubbish that the media spouts about West Ham so I just can’t see em going for Allardyce & his acquired taste style of football as successful as it seems to be

You’re living in cloud cuckoo land if you don’t think that the daft Japs and Yanks attracted by our pomp and circumstance don’t view the royal family as being the major part of all that palavar.

And France might just have some climate-related benefits that we don’t have in this country.[/quote]

I don’t doubt for one minute that “some” tourists come to the UK because of our royal family – how many come purely for that reason & how many would have come anyway for other reasons is complete guess work so how anybody can equate it to the royal family bringing in “billions” every year is completely beyond me
In my 35 years on this earth I’ve met plenty of tourists in the UK from all over the world and whilst I aint claiming for one minute that they were indicative of all foreign tourists in the country, not one of them has said they were here because of the royal family. In fact the amount of public events that form part of the pomp & circumstance you talk about which directly involve major members of the royal family is miniscule. If they visit say Buckingham Palace whilst they’re here they don’t do it coz they think they might see the Queen they do so coz its a big opulent building full of riches – just like the palace of Versaille which people visit even though the French royal family has been gone for over 200 years

returning to France – the southern part of the country may well have climate benefits we don’t have but Paris by & large doesn’t & that’s full of tourists. Likewise Brittany & Normandy

i can’t see Bobby taking a chance with the young lad Mustoe so I assume (like the post above) that he’ll switch Gohouri to left back (where he played a full game against can’t remember who & where he played the last 15 minutes or so against Stoke) & play Stam at right back

Although Sky’s highlights mentioned Cleverley had gone off with a rib injury at half-time on Saturday so if he isn’t fit then it leaves us with a bit of a hole to fill down the wing too – I assume he’d stick Rodallega out on the flank & bring Boselli back up front

I think Latics will stay up by the skin of their teeth but I don’t think the club will ever improve under Bobby

He’s had long enough in the job to show he’s adaptable & able to learn from his mistakes but for me he just hasn’t done that. nor does he seem to know how to get the best out of the group of players that he does have

Like you say Swindon we each have different opinions

When I said what I did about Gomez I wasn’t judging him as such but I was very wary as to whether he would be effective – although to be fair I was also very wary about us signing McCarthy, MacArthur, Gary Caldwell (as Scottish football is of such poor quality), Moses, Diame, Di Santo, Boselli, Gohouri, Amaya, Scotland, Sinclair, S Caldwell & Moreno. All in all, pretty much everyone he’s signed with the exception of Alcaraz, Stam, Al Habsi & Cleverley so me having doubts about Gomez’s ability & being proved right is mroe down to me thinking it about all our signings really than about any great footballing knowledge!!!

Going back to the good signings outweighing his duff ones – I think just going through that list re-affrims my belief as I would say that only really McCarthy & Gohouri & Diame can be classed as non-duds, although Diame has the ability to look like a superstar & a duffer in the course of the same match.
If you say you can’t pass judgement on Boselli & Di Santo as duds coz they aint been here long enough then you can’t pass judgements on the likes of MacArthur, S Caldwell, Alcaraz, Al Habsi, Stam & Cleverley one way or the other either for the same reasons
Of the remaining ones I don’t think Bobby has given Moses anywhere near enough game time for him to be classed as a success whilst G Caldwell, Amaya, Scotland, Sinclair & Moreno were all poor so I make that 5-3 in favour of the duds
Add the newbies in & it becomes IMO 7-6 to the duds & I’m undecided on Stam (looks good going forward & poor in defence)
So there you have it a very scientific study showing I’m right ;)

Actually I’ve just seen you said its far to early to judge Boselli & Di Santo yet you include them both in your list of “excellent” signings. How does that work??? ;) Not sure how you can include a bloke in McArthur on there either as his run outs have involved a couple of sub appearances & some carling cup games (one of which he was taken off at half time in!!!)

I think our problems run deeper than not having that link man
That is a problem admittedly but the whole sides movement off the ball is far too slow & predictable for Bobby’s slow methodical play on the ball to be a success.
The defence needs to stop switching off & conceding some of the softest goals I’ve seen in my 20 odd years of watching Latics
The midfield (& not just one man in the hole) needs to push up much quicker in support of the front man than they do at present
The wingers need to learn to act as a second centre forward when the ball is being moved up on the opposite flank insteadd of staying out on the wing
The midfield needs to drop back in support of the defence much quicker than it does at present (considering they don’t push up in support of the attack its amazing how many times our defenders can be outnumbered by the opposition coz the midfield isn’t tracking back)
They need to mix up styles of play alot more than they do at present
None of the above would be solved simply by putting Lionel Messi “in the hole”