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Sudders only bothers about away games because he thinks it makes him look big and clever ;)
I will be at the Bradford game and there is no excuse for ther rest of you not being there. It’s even half term week!!
It’s half-term at the school i work at this week so there’s my excuse sorted for not going!!
Ramis was almost at the junction of halfway line and touchline when he was passed. He shouldn’t have needed to take one for the team. There was half a pitch and half a team for him to go past at that point. He could reasonably have expected a goal to have been prevented.Whilst I agree that there was too much that went on after for Ramis to take the whole of the blame for the 1st goal I think he has to shoulder a big chunk of the blame for it.
Not because he got beat for pace but because he committed himself way to eagerly & too far up the pitch. One shake of the hips from Routledge & Ramis had sold himself, was caught out of position, never had a cat in hell’s chance of catching him up & left the defence exposed.
It was a really basic mistake & worringly IMO for Ramis not the first time he has done it this season & not the first time that it’s wound up costing us a goal as he also did it for one of the goals against Chelsea.
At the time he did what he did there was absolutely no danger but Ramis blundered in like some lumbering cart horse & all of a sudden, Latics are on the back foot, Swansea have momentum & other players are caught out of position coz there’s been a sudden & unexpected change in the flow of the game
Bad mistake & if I’m honest I’ve been distinctly underwhelmed with what I’ve seen of Ramis since he arrived. I’d go with the calls to either get Alcaraz back in (whilst he may be dodgy on the ball he can defend better than that) or if he aint fit draft Boyce into the middle 3 & have Stam at right wing backJust watcked Kones ‘goal’ on Football first-clearly onside what a F@@@@@@ joke !!! :angry:
Sick to the back teeth of naff referees and why dont they bring in a challenge system like in RL ?
:angry:Sorry Vince but he was offside
I turned on the telly yesterday morning whilst Sky were talking about it & had the picture on freeze frame at the moment the ball was crossed. Now admittedly the view is at a bit of an angle (as opposed to looking straight across the pitch like the linesman would have been doing) but it definitely looked like Kone was slightly ahead of the last defender.
Ignore all that stuff you might have head about their having to be daylight between the last defender & last attacker for it to be offside, all that it needs to be is for any part of the attacker’s body that they can legitimately score a goal with to be beyond the last defender – basically anything other than an arm
From the view I’ve seen Kone was marginally beyond the defender. It was very, very tight but to me it looked a good call from the linesmanKnows what he’s on about though does that Franco – always said he was a good un!!
And whilst I’m on a role I do believe that not long after he joined (& I think he came on as a sub against Sunderland) I said he seemed best suited to the freer role behind a “lone frontman.”
Bobby knows where to find me next time he needs some tactical advice ;)
Indeed he does, and that’s why he’s not been in touch! ;)[/quote]
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I think Simon Jordan can be a right tool but I heard a phone in he did once on talksport & some Palace fan asked about ticket prices & how maybe if they reduced them then they’d get more in. He was quite emphatic about it & said they’d tried it, it barely made a difference & they wound up losing money.
He’s spot on Tyldesley -but I suppose that’s why he’s loaded!
If you have 20k people paying £20 a ticket, you’ll get £400k in return.
If you drop the prices and have 25k people paying £15 a ticket, you’ll only get £375k.
It’s better to stick with a higher ticket price and put up the snide comments about not filling your stadium.[/quote]
That’s a short-term argument though. The long-term view we should be looking at is to increase our fan base through the cheaper option, then gradually increase the ticket price. For £30 to watch Everton, I almost thought twice and I’m a long-term fan. I hate to think what the floaters (bad term) will do.[/quote]
Most football clubs can’t afford long term financial planning. Take Hereford – they dropped out of the league last season & budgeted crowds of a certain level this season in the conference. The actual attendances have been around 500 less than they expected & now they’re on the verge of going belly up coz they can’t afford a £66k tax bill from the Inland Revenue.
Taking Latics – there were 19,000 people at the Everton game. If they’d all paid £30 the club would have taken £570,000 on the gates. if they’d charged everyone £20 to get in & got 2000 more on (which I doubt) then they’d have taken £420,000. Spread that drop in matchday income out over 19 games & the club is looking at having £3mill less to spend.
Very simplified i know but if the bank manager came a calling he’s not goign to have much sympathy if Latics plead long term planningThe survey only took the cheapest match day ticket for Wigan Athletic because the official website still doesn’t have the prices up for Cat A and Cat B games.What I want to know is, how is a game against Everton a Cat A game? £30 a ticket this game cost. Sure, it’s cheaper than most other prem clubs, but why are we charging £30 a ticket when we would struggle to get a sell out at half the price? It’s hardly going to tempt the floating fans now is it? Certainly a far cry from the £15 per game promise of a few seasons ago. Here’s an idea, how about we try to get our crowd size up before we increase the prices! Appart from the match day prices, I do have to applaud the club for all the other pricing.
I suspect that the club know roughly how many Latics fans are going to turn up for a game against Everton regardless of the price. The clubs also has a pretty good idea how many would turn up if the price was say £20. On top of that the club also knows that Everton will sell 5000 tickets pretty much regardless of the price so if they charge less for the away fans too they can guarantee less income.
Bearing that in mind the club knows they will get more income charging £30 a ticket than you will charging £20 a ticket & having 1000-2000 (tops) more Wiganers turn upGoing to some of the NPL & NWCL teams the prices at times seem extortionate but teh argument you get from the clubs is:
They know how much money they need to keep ticking over & they know roughly what crowds they can guarantee getting in per game. They set their price levels so that their guaranteed crowd covers their costs. If they take a gamble & reduce their costs then they are taking a risk with their finances & they find it makes little difference to the attendance.
I think Simon Jordan can be a right tool but I heard a phone in he did once on talksport & some Palace fan asked about ticket prices & how maybe if they reduced them then they’d get more in. He was quite emphatic about it & said they’d tried it, it barely made a difference & they wound up losing money. The one off offers might boost the crowd for that game but very few of them come back when its back to normal & if they keep them at that level the type of fan it attracts still pick & choose their games.prices are a vicious circle to be honest. Say if Southend did drop their entrance price to a tenner – they might get a small boost in attendance but ultimately they’d have to drop their players wages, those players would beggar off, lesser quality ones would come in, results would drop & attendances would follow. To get the costs down it’d need a consensus across the board from fans, owners & players and that’ll never happen coz it involves swallowing some bitter pills on all sides
I think FIFA & UEFA have shown where their priorities lie in the past when Nikolas Bendtner & Man City got fined for breaking advertising regs & returning on to the pitch less than a minute late, than both Porto & Serbia got fined for being found guilty of their fans racist chanting/behaviour
One set of circumstances costs them money with sponsors & the other doesn’tKnows what he’s on about though does that Franco – always said he was a good un!!
And whilst I’m on a role I do believe that not long after he joined (& I think he came on as a sub against Sunderland) I said he seemed best suited to the freer role behind a “lone frontman.”
Bobby knows where to find me next time he needs some tactical advice ;)
WTF do they all know?? :P
I suppose I haven’t checked to see if they were all written by the same person, a Mr R Martinez….[/quote]
All sheep trotting out what everyone else was saying & going for the easy/expected angle just like the now crowds, rugby town stuff they write when they wanna put Latics down.
It takes the kind of guts only a Bongsmon has got to stick your head above the parapet & tell em they’re wrong!! ;)
Changing your story to fit with your argument Tylders?You were originally saying one up front and 2 wingers which is of course utter tosh.
Kone has taken the role of the advanced striker while Franco it seems is given a free role (to a certain extent I imagine) to allow him to receive the ball (one of his better abilities IMO).
Maloney then comes in to place as the 3rd forward playing a similar role as to what Messi does for Barcelona (albeit not as well).
Please dont come back with one of your usual long winded responses I cant be arsed reading it and you writing a book full does not make you right :P
I believe the last time this was argued I said that Bobby can say he plays 3 up front till the cows come home but that Di Santo role (as it was at the time) was a lone striker/frontman role
Some agree with that & some disagree – the man himself who plays/played it agree with me so theere!! ;)
I can’t recall ever saying that the Maloney/Moses roles as they were last season were wingers. I may well have said at some point in the distant past that the N’Zogbia role (& whoever was out on the left) were winger roles in a 4-5-1 but that if the intention had always been to use them as Maloney & Moses were then it either wasn’t working or they weren’t doing what they were asked. So theere!! Again!! :P :PMan it feels good to never be wrong ;)
Was that short enough?Cripes! You’d better let Roberto know, and this lot while you’re at it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/08/wigan-athletic-roberto-martinez
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9238961/Blackburn-Rovers-v-Wigan-Athletic-match-preview.html
http://www.whoscored.com/Blog/gzte-sfkru67rf7wd6eqha/Show/Zonal-Marking-Team-Focus-Wigan
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/live/match-report/261590/wigan-2-stoke-2
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1303746-wigan-athletic-mid-table-or-down-the-latics-will-never-be-boring
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-08-17/premier-league-football-201213-team-guide—wigan-athletic
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/384637/20120915/manchester-united-wigan-live-stream-watch-online.htm
http://www.goal.com/en-india/teams/england/536/wigan-athletic
;)WTF do they all know?? :P
I’ve heard 2 reasons why they couldn’t close it. One is Griff’s reason (apparently however it’s designed means that it can’t be operated in the rain) & the other is that FIFA regulations state that if the training sessions have been held with/without the roof open then the match has to be played with/without the roof open.
Actually that is more a reason as to why it was open in the first place & then a reason as to why they couldn’t shut it when it was lashing it down
