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Would this be their actual nationality or the country they have represented at international level?
Chimbonda was from Guadeloupe but played for France
The Observer really needs to clarify this!! ;)Just a note – Guadeloupe is a territory of France/inhabitants have french citizenship – so I don’t think that one matters – though still an important distinction in all the other cases listed.
(Aside – FIFA doesn’t recognize Guadeloupe because of this, but they do play in CONACACAF’s championships – if they were a separate country, some of those french teams may not have had as much success – I believe both Henry, Thuram, and 1-2 others are actually from Guadeloupe, not France proper).[/quote]Guadeloupe is a separate country but is an overseas territory of France & as such the population is entitled to French citizenship.
Pretty similar to how say the Falkland Islands are overseas territory of the UK & as such it’s population is entitled to British citizenship (& could play for any of the 4 home nations) but it is still classed as a country in it’s own right
Well that’s how it’s seen by some anyway but then you start to get into the discussions of what is a nation? what is a country? what is a nation state? and from what little I remember of that when studying international politics, it’s best left well alone!!!And i also know that Graham Lancashire is a gardener for Rochdale councilI was a match official at an Everton U15 Academy v Burnley Academy game a couple of years ago & Graham Lancashire was the manager/coach of the Burnley side.
He either does it as a side job or he’s been sacked – they got absolutely tonked that day about 10-1 so it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s no longer thereHaving spent a year running the line in NWCL, NPL games I’ve been surprised at the number of ex-Latics players involved with clubs at that level although the only one I can remember off the top of my head is Gary Powell at AFC Chester
Standish repeated cho leaving 1 left and Griff has just tipped it to 40 with Todorov.Magno never played Tyldsley (don’t think) Cwyka, Beasejour and Miyachi were repeats.
Peywet, Again repeats, And Bukran is a cheeky attempt haha. I went to that pre-season game against Everton when he put us 1-0 up but lost 6-1
I saw Magno play for Latics in a pre-season friendly so if Bukran counts then so does he. Doesn’t matter anyway like coz someone remembered another Brazilian (Thome)
Like I said though until you know how The Obby decided on a player’s nationality there’s no way of knowing if any list is correct – Jason Roberts isn’t Grenadian, Boyce isn’t Barbadian, Chimbonda isn’t French etc..
It’s a veritable minefield & I demand a recountWould this be their actual nationality or the country they have represented at international level?
Only McCarthy is Scottish but plays for Ireland & wasn’t Marcelo Moreno or whatever his name was Brazilian but played for Bolivia? And Moses was born in Nigeria but has British nationality? Boyce was born in Aylesbury but plays for Barbados. Chimbonda was from Guadeloupe but played for France Finally, Maloney was born in Malaysia but to British parents & plays for Scotland?
Also what is their definition of country as technically England, Scotland & Wales are classed as one country internationally?
The Observer really needs to clarify this!! ;)I’ll have a stab at a few more anyway:
Brazil – Magno Silva Viera
Chile – Beausejour
Japan – Miyaichi
Poland – CwykaI recall Graham Kavanagh (yes, the same) once scoring an absolute cracker at the Shevvy end for Stoke. He ran and ran with the ball, before firing a rocket as straight as an arrow right into the top corner. Think it was about 1998.
The game when we were 2-0 up and a certain Greg Strong scored a late winner for Stoke?[/quote]
Yes, I think that was the game. Greg Strong….I’d forgot all about him. We’ve moved on a bit since those days, haven’t we? He must be one of the worst players ever to wear our shirt. When you look at the few youth players that came through the system from the late 80’s and into the 90’s, it’s a travesty that the youth coaching staff actually got paid. Apart from Peter Atherton and Joe Parkinson, the rest just weren’t good enough.[/quote]
There were plenty worse than Greg Strong just in that team alone never mind ever.
BTW he’s still plying his trade in football & is currently manager of RhylFilmoss – maybe you’d prefer it if the East Stand Massive funked it up a bit!!
I remember 2 being scored in the same game by Preston in a 3-3 draw back in 98/99ish at Springfield Park being ones that have always stuck in my mind (more so than the Henry one you’re on about)
Andy Liddell scored an 18 yard overhead kick in the same game
I think the game you’re on about against Preston at Springfield park finished 1 – 1. Liddell scored a cracking overhead but David Eyres scored an even better first time volley from the corner of the penalty area.[/quote]
My mistake, it wasn’t 3-3 it was 2-2
You’ll be shocked to hear that I disagree ;)
All businesses (football clubs, pubs or newsagents) all pay taxes so I don’t see why they should have to pay for any police who are not required on their property
In relation to football & Latics, it’s like the club being blamed & punished by the FA if a group of blokes decide to have a fight in the town centre with somebody else who supports another club when they have no control whatsoever over them or the incidentI remember 2 being scored in the same game by Preston in a 3-3 draw back in 98/99ish at Springfield Park being ones that have always stuck in my mind (more so than the Henry one you’re on about)
Andy Liddell scored an 18 yard overhead kick in the same game
The police are there to police, that’s what us tax payers pay them for. They can only charge for a specific request for police on private property.
I don’t see why football clubs should be treated any differently than the pubs & clubs up & down the land that don’t pay for the police to be on the streets of Wigan on a Friday & Saturday night. Following on from that if some charity wants to organise a march through Manchester, they’re not charged either
The 2 cases have been fought on different legal grounds & so are only related in so much as Latics & Leeds are football clubs
Whelan was arguing that the charges from the GMP for Wigan games were far exceeding the charges other clubs within the GMP jurisdiction were getting charges (I think he cited what Bolton were charged for a game against Liverpool with 26,000 on which was far, far lower than what Latics were getting charged for a game against some run of the mill Championship side with an attendance of 11,000) & also brought Lancashire Police’s charges to Preston & Burnley into it too – he argued that there was no justification to it. I think implicitly it was thought that Wigan police may have been charging for stuff outside of the stadium & car parks but it was never openly said. It appears from the link in the last post that the GMP’s defence was that the extra forces were requested & required by Latics & it was proved that they hadn’t been
There’s no precedent to the Leeds case where it appears west yorkshire police have openly admitted that they have been charging the club for policing on land that it did not own or lease because it was in the footprint of the stadium – and from memory Leeds ground is in a much more built up area than the DW, so they probably felt that Leeds weren’t paying what they should do coz they can’t charge for a copper stood on the road directly outside a turnstile
One thing is for sure, neither the 1 nor the 3 striker take on the formation is likely to allow Boselli and Di Santo to play together as I would guess they would both need to be central. At a push, Di Santo might be OK playing a bit wider but not, I wouldn’t have thought, Boselli.Agreed which is kind of one of the reasons why I’ve had the debate with Standish as to why will Boselli suit this system any more than he suited the last one when he was here
If he plays, he will take the Di Santo position & not play alongside him. That position needs somebody with Di Santo’s skill set – Boselli doesn’t appear to have those & will be wanting someone to get him the ball near goal. yes the new system creates more crosses but Di Santo’s running, droppin deep etc.. is essential to that & take that away & I think the whole system suffers.
In all honesty I hope Boselli proves me wrong but I still have a sneaking feeling that he’ll be sold before the end of August rather then let him go for nothing next yearHi Tyldsley thought you would be lurking around this debate somewhere B)In reply to point 1 you must then think either Roberto is lying to trick people for whatever reason or he is that numb that he does not know his own tactics. What Roberto is doing with the front three is not a new thing Barcelone have been doing it for years but you dont hear people saying Villa & Messi etc. are wingers do ya…
In reply to point 3 Im not saying any of them are strikers I have and always will maintain they are 3 forwards ;)
Like Roberto has said n the past there is too much focus on what a 4-4-2 4-4-3 or whatever should look like/ should be. the tactics and positions of players is far more in depth than assigning them to a section of a 100 year old tactic and expecting them to do the same things as the thousands of players before them.
You have said yourself (might not have been you) Di Santo can receive the ball and drop back with Maloney and Moses advancing ahead of him and looking more like classic strikers?
I do realise where your point comes from though Tyldsley as when we have been poor or under pressure the outside forwards drift back into midfield.
I just think you are very strict with your idea of what a forward should be and do.
To be fair Salford, I have said in a few debates on this that the current system cannot be pigeon holed into any set formation as it is way too fluid – at times it can look like 5-4-1, at other times it can look like 3-4-3, at other times it can even look like 3-6-1.
I do pick holes coz essentially even if you consider Latics to play with 3 forwards, whoever plays that Di Santo/Sammon/Rodallega is asked to play as your more traditional “striker” the other 2 (whoever they may be) aren’t, so technically the Di Santo role is still the lone stiker – that’s my story & I’m sticking to it ;)
Also, whereas I’s always describe Di Santo’s role as a forward, the other 2 aren’t always forwards. They are not always a front 3, are not always asked to perform the role of forwards & so therefore aren’t forwards
I’ve said that Di Santo drops deep to get the ball & allow others to get ahead of him but that doesn’t make those players (& McArthur often gets forward a la Bolton away) look more like a striker than him
I don’t get how you can say in Bobby’s system that players don’t play traditional roles & in the same breath say that Moses & Maloney are forwards!! They’re not forwards & they’re not midfielders – to me they’re a bit of both so I wouldn’t class the system as 3-4-3. Likewise I wouldn’t class the wing backs as midfielders (or defenders for that matter), hence if I had to pigeon hole the system it wold be my 3-2-2-2-1 thing I mentioned before
3 points:
1) I believe that what Mr Salford means is that system played in Bobby’s first 2 seasons was 4-3-3 & I do believe that Bobby himself always used to respond with “we don’t play 1 up front we play 3 up front” when questionned by fans as to why he persisted with a lone striker. My own personal opinion is that is b0ll0x – it was 1 bloked isolated up front on his own & 2 wingers who were told to push up when the striker had possession , cut in when they had the ball & take shots. No way was it 3 up front simply coz the wingers used to push up in support – so do traditional wingers in a 4-4-2 yet the formation is still called 4-4-2.
2) Runcorn – where do you get that Latics now play 2 up front with Maloney in behind? The formation is widely acknowledge as a 3-4-3 – not by me admittedly (to me its more a 3-2-2-2-1 if that makes any sense) To me the other 2 in the “3” up front are Moses & Maloney & both play in pretty much the same position (albeit different sides of the pitch)
3) Salford – I’d still say that the current formation is a lone striker. I consider a striker to be a specific position & it’s not the one Moses & Maloney play. yeah they can be up front at time but they aint strikers
i think that some of the more rotund scousers out there might be giving that Everton home shirt a swerve if that picture is a true reflection of its figure hugging abilities
& latics new home kit could have done without that bit of elastic at the bottom of the sleeves – they pinch & make the sleeve ride up your arm. Although every cloud has a silver lining coz it allows the ladies to get a flash of my biceps
