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We’ll have to agree to disagree Salford
having someone on the touchline with an ipad could never do a better job than somone out in the middle of the pitch when it comes to refereeing a game of football. They may got some decisions right that the current officials get wrong but there is far more that would harm the game
Even your suggestion of a 5th official communicating from the stands to the ref isn’t as simple as it sounds. If they pick up somet that the ref missed & the players aren’t happy with try then explaining what the hell you’ve awarded & why with up to 22 players screaming at you on top of the crowd. Again it becomes obvious who is making the decisions & your player control disappears.
if there is ever video technology it has to be the ref who refers things to it & if it is then you get your stop/start 2 hour game scenarioDont let the facts get in the way of a good story….
Shame the story is rubbish too.
Probably a disgruntled darksider who is begrudged because Roberto’s team is finally coming good…
With all due respect, Robert’s team “finally came good” this time last season too & was back to square one come August!!!! ;)[/quote]
I think the performances recently have been of the highest level since Roberto took over at the club and way above that of last season providing a solid foundation that can be built upon.
Last season alot of the credit has to go to the way N’Zogbia played individually…
We are currently by no means as one dimensional and reliant on a fairly unreliable player to win games.
WELL DONE ROBERTO goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpost goodpost[/quote]
Roberto & the players deserve as much credit for the recent up turn in form as they deserved any stick that came their way prior to February.
I’d disagree that it can be said they are finally coming good though until it continues over into next season (whatever division they are in). IMO last season’s similar up turn was to do with far more than N’Zogbia. You had a back 4 that became far more robust & in midfield Ben Watson was outstanding at times. Diame’s form returned & Bobby tried out different formations (all with 1 up front of course!!! ;) )
Whilst I admire your effeorts to co-ordinate this type of thing (even if it isn’t my cup of tea) I really hope you’re unsuccessful in getting this absolute turd of a tune played as the players come out. Please leave it in the music bin in which you found it!!
Totally agree. I think its a scary thought letting this lad pick the music we run out to. If Eds reading this. Please dont.
Are these “meet and greet” things just for the kids? I mean no self respecting adult would attend one of these, would they?
Ballons and Fancy dress? United fans will piss there keks.[/quote]
I did and I am an adult…. maybe not by some peoples standards on here.
Dont get the bashing of the meet and greets at all tbh especially when it has clearly had a positive effect on the players.
Hell it even goes part the way to show that Wigan is not completely rife with moaning pensioners ….. not completely anyway :side:[/quote]
As I said, it’s not my cup of tea at all but if someone wants to do it whether they’re 5 or 55 I couldn’t care less – in all honesty though I doubt that it has made one jot of difference to the players & their performances on the pitch. Yes it would be better than people turning up lobbing poo at em but at the end of the day there’s 2 & a quarter hours between tonight’s meet & greet & kick off. During which time they’ll have done warm ups, received treatment on any knocks, had their team talk from the management, walked out in front of 20 odd thousand people, done the handshake & soaked up the pre-kick off atmosphere. The meet & greet will be so far from their minds at that point. Bobby saying it helps is more likely a PR exercise on his behalf to make the fans who do it feel wanted & encourage more people to join this & at the same time keep the possibility of anti-protests taking place.
Not knocking anyone who does it & it won’t have a negative effect but lets not kid ourselves that it has anythign to do with the recent up turn in formThat song is garbage though & I fail to see how in any way shape or form it will make a blind bit of difference to the atmosphere or players. – hopefully as a former muso Ed Jones will politely decline the request
It’s not a touchy subject for me at all to be honest. At 37 years of age having reffed for 5 years now the chances of me getting up to the level where video technology is going to effect games I am on is none existant. Tonight I’m at Sacre Coeur v Waterloo Dock in the Liverpool County Premier League & on Saturday I’m running the line at AFC Blackpool v Glossop North End & i can’t see them ever having the ability to introduce it no matter whether FIFA allow it!!!!!
The angle I do come from though now is that I can see that the officials jobs are far harder than you can imagine unless you actually do it & your comment about “I do completely agree as if they tried it and that was what was happening surely they should just get rid of the referee as the Ipad holding 4th official would clearly be better at making the decisions thus solving the problem of offending the poor referee who is upset because he is getting pulled up on not doing his job properly.” completely ignores the point I made in my previous post about not having someone in the middle or having someone over-ruling that official from the sidelines
Even in rugby league it is the referee themselves who decides to go to the video ref & not the video ref over-ruling the man in the middle coz it just wouldn’t work. Then in relation to football you have the stopping & starting the game problem I also referred to in my last post.Also, I’m not saying that anyone should have any sympathy about any referee & their assessment I merely said that when it is someone’s job I can understand why sometimes they are perhaps not quite so honest regarding their view of certain incidents – like the Rooney elbow on McCarthy last season. That gets put down to the ref’s not wanting to upset United but that has sod all to do with it & it’s about ref’s protecting their careers. Not saying its right but I can understand why they do it. With the Balotelli incident I actually think they are being honest
Back to Latics game on Saturday. Even as ref I can’t even try & excuse the liner’s mistakes for Chelsea’s goals
Seen it on the news letter and it’s been noted, be in there.Sent a message to Ed Jones for the players to be met with this as they join the pitch;
We make more of a fuss of our players and get a real buzz around the stadium we can do it.
I’m looking forward to it, the meet, supporters bar and the match.Whilst I admire your effeorts to co-ordinate this type of thing (even if it isn’t my cup of tea) I really hope you’re unsuccessful in getting this absolute turd of a tune played as the players come out. Please leave it in the music bin in which you found it!! ;)
Besides which I’m told that the original lyrics & title to the song were changed for the chart release from “I’m blue & in need of a guy” & it had been an undergound hit on the gay scene for some timeLiverpool have their reasons for not wanting to play on that date & that is fine with me if that’s how they feel (even if i don’t understand it).
What I don’t agree with is them dictating to the FA or whoever when they will play. I seem to remember this same story coming up some years ago when a league game had been scheduled for that date & they kick up a fuss until the premier league changed the date.
Dalglish’s initial response to the possibility of the cup semi being played on that date was somet along the lines of “we not played on that date since 1989 so we won’t be playing on it this time either.”
They need to accept that if the football authorities, police etc.. decided they have to play on that date then they will have to play on itDont let the facts get in the way of a good story….Shame the story is rubbish too.
Probably a disgruntled darksider who is begrudged because Roberto’s team is finally coming good…
With all due respect, Robert’s team “finally came good” this time last season too & was back to square one come August!!!! ;)
Yet more lazy journalism. He signed a three year contract last year!As much as I think the story is bull, I seem to be under the impression that whilst Whelan talked of rewarding Bobby with a new & improved contract when he turned Villa down, it came to light a few months ago that this had either never happened or that Bobby hadn’t signed it
In terms of their assessments they will lose less points for saying they saw it than saying that between the 4 of them they missed it completely.
With pantomime diving and wreckless challenges the last thing we need is the people supposed to be upholding the law of the game worrying about their fecking assesment.
Just give the fecking 4th official a big IPAD so he can watch the game on skygo and tell the ref through his walkie talkie what he and the rest of the world can see in a matter of seconds!
Its not rocket science like the FA would have you beleive its just COMMON SENSE![/quote]
With all due respect, everybody who does a job is concerned about how their bosses view their performance & so they’re no different. In this sense what I was inferring was not that the concerns about assessment marks governed their actions on the pitch but that after the game when its obvious they missed it they may have covered their tracks – again in similar circumstances in their job I suspect everybody would do the same
In this instance I actually think the challenge was seen by one of the assistants at the time & (to him) it didn’t look as bad as it did slowed down – i saw the challenge at the time on the telly & it looked somet & nowt. It was only when they slowed it down & showed it from a different angle that it looked shocking.
If that is the case then again the FA’s hands are tiedAs for your suggestion of the 4th official with an ipad – as simple as you may think it is, it would be an absolute disaster. If you have someone watching the game like that pulling the ref up for everything that he’s missed or got wrong it would soon become apparent to the players that the guy out in the middle is getting things wrong & is having his authority overruled by someone else. Once that respect of the official in the middle goes the conduct of the players to each other & towards the ref & his assistants would just plummet & it’d end up a nightmare – I’ve done it myself in a game recently where I let a player off with a warning for telling me to eff off & the rest of a game was a nightmare to control after that no matter how hard I tried to pull it back.
Being a ref is about far more than being able to judge whether player A fouled player B which is why match control accounts for 25% of a referees mark (another 25% is for application of law & the other categories are all between 5 & 10% each).
If you do introduce video technology the only way you could even contemplate doing it would be for the ref to be able to refer things similarly to rugby league. Even then as football is a more flowing & less stop start game you have the problem of at what point the ref pulls play back. Does he stop it straight away & risk pishing off the attacking team if they were in good possession or does he allow play to carry on till the next time it is in touch (which could be some time later) & if there was an offence is play & the clock then dragged back to where it took place
Far from improving the game, for me it would ruin itTyldesley would you agree the whistle should of gone for the first offence which was offside thus resulting this argument of derrys sending off out of the window ?
Of course it should but that’s irrelevant.
The match officials will not pick up every single offence that is committed during a game as that is impossible. True this one appeared clear cut & was a bad mistake from the linesman but you can’t start using the argument of “Yeah but we should have had an offside first so he shouldn’t be sent off” otherwise (taken to extremes) you could start using it if a ref fails to spot a bad foul & the player fouled turns round & thumps the player who fouled him but then claims “Yeah but I should have had a free kick first so you can’t send me off”The only thing QPR did or could appeal about was that the sending off was incorrect in law & it wasn’t[/quote]
thank you for the response TL all that says to me is that the FA have given a green light to carry on diving and until this is sorted out we will have more arguments about this and players being banned[/quote]
To be fair to me, I have in the past when refereeing awarded a penalty for a foul & then also cautioned the player fouled for simulation for a blatant dive when all that had happened was he’d had his arm tugged.
In the incident from this game i would have done the same but there was a foul & so Derry’s red card shouldn’t be rescinded
Also, I won’t watch Barcelona play where they’re on the telly because the way they over-react to fouls & challenges winds me up. Similarly, in the last world cup final the rolling & screaming from the Spanish players whenever a Dutch player went near them was more infuriating (to me) than the hatchet tactics of the Dutch
Like I say though I just don’t see what you expected the FA to do because there was a foul from Derry no matter how much of a meal Young made of itTyldesley would you agree the whistle should of gone for the first offence which was offside thus resulting this argument of derrys sending off out of the window ?Of course it should but that’s irrelevant.
The match officials will not pick up every single offence that is committed during a game as that is impossible. True this one appeared clear cut & was a bad mistake from the linesman but you can’t start using the argument of “Yeah but we should have had an offside first so he shouldn’t be sent off” otherwise (taken to extremes) you could start using it if a ref fails to spot a bad foul & the player fouled turns round & thumps the player who fouled him but then claims “Yeah but I should have had a free kick first so you can’t send me off”The only thing QPR did or could appeal about was that the sending off was incorrect in law & it wasn’t
For once I think the FA must be taking pity on Latics after the officials clearly cost us the game on Saturday, coz I’ve seen the footage of this incident & whilst there’s clearly something going on between the pair of them, Maloney also clearly throws an elbow/forearm towards Ivanovic which then leads to Ivanovic’s punch.
Quite how Maloney is escaping punishment too is baffling unless you look at it along the lines I mentioned above
Going back to Saturday’s game, as someone who runs the line myself they were 3 of the worst decisions I have seen from a linesman in a long time.
The first one wasn’t even close, Mata was marginal but if you’re looking down that line they clearly offside & then he didn’t flag following Mata’s shot when 2 Chelsea players were clearly offside & impeding Al Habsi in his attempts to make what should have been a comfortable save
Regardless of how theatrically Ashley Young went down, in the laws of the game it was a foul. Due to where the offence was committed it was the denial of an obvious goalscoring opportunity & so the referee got his decision spot on.
There was no way in a million years that QPR were going to get that decision overturned & I think its only Youngs theatrics which have meant that the ban hasn’t been increased for a frivilous appeal
The fact that the liner fecked up with the offside call is irrelevant in QPR’s appealAs for Balotelli’s challenge (the knee high studs up one) I don’t think the ref would have argued that he saw it but as a team (with his assistants) it was. In terms of their assessments they will lose less points for saying they saw it than saying that between the 4 of them they missed it completely. If the liner says he saw it but in real time & at his view point it didn’t look that bad (which in all likelihood is what happened) then there is nowt the FA can do
i think Villa are safe
i don’t think that the “safe” teams will get as many points as they needed to last season. With already having 33 points I think Villa only need to pick up 2 or at a push 3 more points & I think that they’ve more than got that in themBrum suffered from a “season over” syndrome after winning a trophy & taking their eye off the ball. i don;t think Villa are in anywhere near the same boat
