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Haw haw haw ! Oh hang on that is der Weihnachtsmann ! ;)
Yes I will be rooting for The Father Land !Now that Phil, is clever……………….
If the stories are right this morning and I am not saying they are as it is that time of the close season when journos will make anything up to fill space in the papers, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal are trying scupper QPR’s £10m move for Moses.
Am I right in thinking that the player would normally like to be invloved in these negotiations?
If so, are all the representitives and agents of these clubs taking a break in Nigeria, or is Moses playing for the Eagles a smoke screen and he is really in the UK?
The only point at which a player & his representatives should become involved in any negotiations is when their current club accepts a bid from another club. Until then they are not supposed to be in contact with any club other than the one they’re contracted to – unless they’re in the last 6 months of an existing contract
Incidentally sky sports news is reporting that Latics have rejected a bid from cheslea for moses. The internet article I have just read doesn’t mention a fee but my mate (who must be watching the telly) says they are reporting that the bid was £4mill[/quote]You’re a ‘man in the know’ and I’m feeling a bit lazy this affty – do you know anything about this quote/rule DW has been mentioning where he says “he’s a year left on his contract and he wont go on a free as he is under 24”.
Maybe something I’ve forgotton in the past…….
New Years day home to Utd should be fun ! B)…..and in keeping with a previous thread maybe a ‘fancy dress’ with a Hogmanay theme occasion. B)
I agree with bicky & johndoe on this one. After the liverpool thing, plans & preparation should have been put in place to focus on the upcoming season, not to give fans the concern of martinez allegedly going to another club after turning one down previously. To be fair to whelan he has said he hopes spurs “leaves us alone.” i know its frustrating for fans but in the 30 odd yrars ive been supporting wigan we are simply a stepping stone club for both players & managers alike.
Yeah!…like you, I too agree with the biscuit and toe tag man. It’s true we supporters are hard done by and need to know the absolute detail of everything that goes on in the club. It is, after all, OUR club…….we have a right to know. What is going on with Moses…..is he or not? C’mon management let us know. Who are you signing and how do they fit into OUR way of playing? What are your financial plans for the next year/short term plan/long term plan….we need to know….NOW. Why are you not listening to US……we’ve played championship manager longer than you.
It’s simple really………………………..give me strength.[/quote]
Not the first time that you have made a reference to fans playing computer games or similar ! Personally I don’t play them but I wouldn’t think for one minute that anyone who does play them would think that they have the capabilities to run a football team ! You can be quite condescending when the mood takes you Micky ! B)[/quote]
You know Phil you are quite right, however, it’s only after I hear some of the rubbish spouted in the local hostelries………and my ‘repetitive’ reference to computer games or similar – eh?
I’m condescending?……….oh the irony. ;)
I agree with bicky & johndoe on this one. After the liverpool thing, plans & preparation should have been put in place to focus on the upcoming season, not to give fans the concern of martinez allegedly going to another club after turning one down previously. To be fair to whelan he has said he hopes spurs “leaves us alone.” i know its frustrating for fans but in the 30 odd yrars ive been supporting wigan we are simply a stepping stone club for both players & managers alike.Yeah!…like you, I too agree with the biscuit and toe tag man. It’s true we supporters are hard done by and need to know the absolute detail of everything that goes on in the club. It is, after all, OUR club…….we have a right to know. What is going on with Moses…..is he or not? C’mon management let us know. Who are you signing and how do they fit into OUR way of playing? What are your financial plans for the next year/short term plan/long term plan….we need to know….NOW. Why are you not listening to US……we’ve played championship manager longer than you.
It’s simple really………………………..give me strength.
The big machine gathers momentum as it wreaks havoc through Europe ! :cheer:
You can say that again.
It’s funny the Germans aren’t telling the Greeks , Irish , Portuguese etc who they can pick in their teams. :evil:[/quote]
Sometimes, SMB, just sometimes….subtlety is like a low flying plane to some.
I thought it quite funny though. ;)
another keeper –
there are rumours of Craig gordon – he’ll do or hahnemann (free)
defenders –
Grant Hanley off Blackburn – Solid, played well already and young and open to improvement
James Collins off Aston Villa – proven and dependableMidfield –
guthrie – on a free,
Mark Davies from boltonwide / wing backs –
danny rose – tottenham on loan
rafael – man u (or his brother) on loanforwards-
klasnic -free
saha – free
pogrebnyak – freeHow very insightful…….we could then add a Red stripe to our strip (Red, White and Blue in honour of Her Majesty – after all it is her Jubillee Year). Then be sponsored by Royal appointment and rebranded as as ‘Royal Wigan United of the Northern Shires’.
I like what you’re thinking there fella.
Working class towns and cities, like Cardiff, have used their football clubs to ward of the depressions of unemployment, poverty, war etc. They’ve brought communities together, united them in a common interest and have been something they can be proud of and use as an identity to represent their town.Radically changing a team’s shirt colour is changing the very fabric (pun intended) of a football club, which in effect is interwoven within the community. In the nutshell, football is tribal; if you change something in football, you are changing people’s lives.
Melodramatic though that may seem, it’s the truth.
Yes I know it happened years ago with the likes of Wigan and even Man Utd changing their colours but that was due to things like the availability of a particular colour of shirt – thus the necessity to buy that colour. It was not a marketing ploy or the whim of a club’s new owner. Also, changes of a club’s colour have occurred in bygone times, not after a hundred and odd years of playing in a particular colour, singing songs about that colour, giving your team a nickname referring to that colour etc.
For me it just shows a total lack of research, understanding and compassion for what football means to many people and demonstrates a scant disregard for the supporters and history of the club. If you have just bought a football club, surely the last thing you want to do is upset the supporters right from the off?
Changes to a stadium and its name are one thing, but changes to the team’s colours or its name are totally different. It’s one step away from franchising and the emergence of Team Manchester v The London Blue Sox.
So, if you’re a fan what do you do? Refuse to attend games, or protest at games until the owners make changes – knowing that your actions could be affecting the team’s performance on the pitch? And that’s the conundrum.
Now that, sir, is a cracking post.
Your observation on the game being ‘tribal’ is spot on – the psychological impact on those supporters (both old and young) will be devastating as it rips into their very hearts.
As an example of this effect – how many can remember the England team being made to wear that ‘sh1tty’ grey outfit because the ‘sponsors’ insisted as it looked particularly good with jeans? The team itself looked out of spirit and the fans were justifiably outraged…..the match result is a matter of history now.
