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4-2-3-1 is the failsafe to combat 4-4-2 in fact it tends to beat it 9 times out of 10
Know-nowt tosser!
Touched a nerve with the old care home thing there, by the looks of things. Did you enjoy giving us all your personal lifestyle CV back there? Cathartic, was it? A bit of a golfer, and you go on holiday four times a year, eh? Well, that’s me done. Can’t compete with that. Time to pack it all in.
Oh yeah, and do yourself a favour, if you’re going to pull people up on their grammer, like the lowercase E in English thing – proof read your own posts before you start tossing literary stones. Stops you making yourself looking like a bit of a dick.
Touched a nerve? Don’t flatter yourself, I did it to show you how inadequate you really are and give you an insight into your rather pathetic future. Your
insultscomments are getting drawn and thin now, like you said – time to pack it all in now and get your name down for Norley Hall Care Home while they still have a few vacancies.The only person making themselves look like a bit of a dick is you dear boy.[/quote]
Give it a rest now, you’re beyond tedious.
Seems to be a comment from the club in the rugby post that they can’t do anything
That was given before I wrote to them. They can’t do anything about the prices, but they can show support for their fans who are trying to do/say something about it. What I’ve asked them to do is:
- Publicly demonstrate support for those fans that are choosing not to attend the Leeds. It will be a hard choice for some of them and to know that the club and supporters club are behind them will be of comfort.
- Recognise that the boycott is about saying that it is wrong to charge those sorts of prices, not to pay them. Whilst it would be great if there was 100% non-attendance at the Leeds game this should not be about driving rifts between anyone who chooses to boycott and anyone who chooses to attend.
- Promote the attempts to raise money for The Brick Homeless charity via a Virgin Money Giving page at http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/LeedsBoycott
- Make contact with Leeds Utd FC and their supporters’ organisations to make it clear that there is an active boycott, that you support it and support the idea of making football affordable.
Too much?[/quote]
And did the club agree to support it, nrp?
Yes, but clearly he has followed that thought process and concluded that he doesn’t find me tedious yet you, he does.
I see from later posts made last evening – made while I was in the pub not talking about you – that a few other sensible board members are now lining up to question your sanity, worth and ability to comprehend written english.
Just a thought like.
Anyway, have a nice day reading the forum’s posts and interpreting them completely differently to every one else, which is what seems to be happening. I have a very busy day at work ahead of me. You make sure you enjoy the care home’s bingo and your boiled egg and soldiers.
Are you absolutely stark raving bonkers or what. My grandson text me to say he and his mates have just read your last nonsensical, made-up, delusional clap trap post and you are now confirmed as Wigans biggest balloon – and laughing stock to boot.
Where on earth are these other sensible posters lining up questioning my sanity, worth and ability to understand written English(you see I have capitalised the adjective ‘English’ for you – I would have expected you to have known that being a published author and all that)? Are you referring to The Egg’s statement about ‘what colour is the sky’, or that well known social commentator thty5? Either way, you prove time and time again how little is your grasp of what is real and what isn’t.
Further I find your mental interpretation of my retired lifestyle rather intriguing. Perhaps this is how you see yourself ending up along with your sweeper co-workers sometime in the future – when you eventually reach that mellow age of 67. Me? As a retired Chartered Manager I like to mix my time up by laughing at the inadequacies of some of the posters on this board (you) whilst enjoying my conservatory, a bit of golf here and there, the company of friends in my club and at least 4 holidays abroad a year. Travel, it really does broaden the mind you know – try it. Your first challenge would be to step outside of that empty head of yours.
Anyway you just carry on in that little narcissistic world of yours whilst the future generations of Wigan laugh at you for being so incredibly [there are far too many words I would like to enter here – none of which are complimentary].
Honestly, and I know this for a fact, there are quite a few (on here) who do laugh at you and your tired excuses and insults time after time. Try to be nice, you never know, people may be nice back to you.[/quote]
Touched a nerve with the old care home thing there, by the looks of things. Did you enjoy giving us all your personal lifestyle CV back there? Cathartic, was it? A bit of a golfer, and you go on holiday four times a year, eh? Well, that’s me done. Can’t compete with that. Time to pack it all in.
Oh yeah, and do yourself a favour, if you’re going to pull people up on their grammer, like the lowercase E in English thing – proof read your own posts before you start tossing literary stones. Stops you making yourself looking like a bit of a dick.
I meant ‘on our own’ in the sense that we’d probbaly be the first set of fans to pro-actively totally boycott a game. If it was totally boycotted, then it would indeed send out a powerful messsage – that, as well as being racists, us Wiganers are tight-fsted twats too, for starters. ;)
I’ve seen the link you mention elsewhere this afternoon. Anyway, I wish you the very best of luck with it, mate.
To be fair, if you remember Latics second season in the top flight when the club ramped up the ticket prices significantly.
Some of the “new” Latics fans voted with their feet, although with the increase in price, the drop off in home fans probably didn’t make much difference in income.
However, the Man City fans objected to the price hike and organised a boycott so instead of getting 25k on like there’d been the season before or 21k as had been on the previous week against United, there were only about a thousand (if that) City fans there & there was only 16k on.
Shortly afterwards the club dropped prices across the board.So Latics fans wouldn’t be the first and it can have an impact. I also seem to remember supporters of other clubs doing it, possibly to lesser degrees of success, at places like Birmingham (when in the top flight) who had massive price hikes for their “bigger” games.
I’ve long said that instead of moaning about how expensive it is that if prices reach a level where an individual believes they’re being ripped off then they should simply not pay it & not go. As long as they pay it & whinge then clubs will continue to charge it.
On this particular game, I’m torn – I don’t get to many games these days & even less away games (plus Leeds is one of only about 15 league grounds that I’ve never been to) so I’d arranged to go with some mates on a Boxing Day booze up for it.
36 quid is way above my threshold of what I’d be prepared to pay for a game of 2nd flight football though but the emotional tug of the game means I’m now undecided & if I go it’ll make me a hypocrite (plus the wife’ll kill me for paying “How much?? for a game of football??”I do however think that for any boycott to have any chance of forcing the prices down, the organisers need to let Leeds United know & their supporters organisations(who for all we know may be equally pished off) so that it doesn’t look merely like “no fans” Wigan again[/quote]
Some good points there TL, especially the last one.
I just find you boring and tedious that’s all maybe a bit stubborn I tend to notice these things
You know, you might just want to try that thought process when reading some of Griffs input. You’ll be surprised at the outcome. It cuts both ways you know, and I’m not the one who goes out of their way just to insult other board members.
Just a thought like.[/quote]
Yes, but clearly he has followed that thought process and concluded that he doesn’t find me tedious yet you, he does.
I see from later posts made last evening – made while I was in the pub not talking about you – that a few other sensible board members are now lining up to question your sanity, worth and ability to comprehend written english.
Just a thought like.
Anyway, have a nice day reading the forum’s posts and interpreting them completely differently to every one else, which is what seems to be happening. I have a very busy day at work ahead of me. You make sure you enjoy the care home’s bingo and your boiled egg and soldiers.
May not even get to be in the squad Saturday.Will need resting after all these reserve games.Question is would he be able to score at Championship level.
Seen absolutely no sign of it yet in bis time here. But, if you don’t play him he never will. So, either pick him from the start for a few games, or forget about him altogther.
Same applies to Riera (who looks a better prospect, to me). Get him in, or forget him altogther and bring back Holt.[/quote]
Not sure “prospect” is the best description, he’s 28 years old. I know what you meant though Griff. :unsure:[/quote]
Fair point. Proposition or option may have been better words ;)
Hey! never mind you boring old, fat get. Christmas is coming and you may just get that brand new crayon set you pine for.Oh Jesus, you can’t even come up with a decent put down. Is that the best you can do? You could at least have had the decency to include bald, in there.
I’m off to the pub. So bored with you, it’s not true
I am amazed at the hypocrisy. Whelan is being defended on here for making stupid, ill conceived, insulting and dated comments when trying to make light of the pretty untasteful texts Mackay sent yet, when it’s thrown back at them in a very tongue-in-cheek way those same people scream, out of order.
Yes Sammy, I was one of those standing up for Mr Whelan for his unfortunate mutterings which have been seen by most of the country as the utterings of an oldman who should have known better but were never meant to insult nor be offensive.
However, if you think that the headline in that blog was meant as ‘tongue-in-cheek’ then you have clearly missed the tasteless intent meant by his words. There was never any need to fan the flames of what was already a well trodden and discussed episode.
I, am not the hypocrite here, nor am I the ‘hey look at me’ type (as displayed by that beurk and wannabe writer, but I do know what I’m talking about and don’t curry favour by changing what I say to please an audience.
All the best from: Lord Chief Knobhead of the Darby and Joan Club
PS: never seen you in there but I wager we of the same age (or thereabouts)[/quote]
Poor old duffer’s getting confused now Sammy, you’re not having the credit for the Darby and Joan Club line. Perhaps Care Home would have been more apt for our confused, old member. He does seem awfully confused.[/quote]
The gift that just keeps giving.
I never said nor sttibuted that line to Sammy – tis you who said it for all to see. I was right about the ‘hey look at me’, ‘it were me that wrote that funny’, ‘please like me’ condition that you so surely suffer from.
Oh dear! Now please stop, it is very cold out there, and I can no longer laugh with cracked lips.[/quote]
Cracked is very apt. I can’t/won’t begin to explain how silly you are making yourself look now.
No problem with people not wanting to go. Nobody is going to tell me I shouldn’t go and slag me off for if I do. Which is what I believe has been happening on social media tonight.
I was more than likely not going – I must just change my mind now
That’s not what I’ve tried to achieve with that article Griff. It would be great if we could get a united effort to make a statement here, but if people feel that’s not the right thing to do then it’s their call. There will always be people who overstep the mark, but the core point remains – clubs are taking the mick and will continue to until fans make it clear they’re not having it anymore.[/quote]
No, I’m sure you weren’t, and i wasn’t getting at you. In fact, I’ll be honest, I hadn’t even read your article (sorry) when I posted. I was reacting to some comments I’d seen on Facebook and Twitter in which people were apparently being criticised for “breaking the boycott”.
As I said, no issue whatsoever with people who decide not to go on principle. Don’t see why it should be Wigan Athletic fans who take this whole pricing issue all upon themselves and any effect will diluted by those who – quite rightly, if they choose to – will still want to pay the (ridiculous and scandalous) ticket price and go.[/quote]
I wouldn’t say we’re on our own. Fans of many clubs are currently trying to raise awareness and support against the ridiculous and scandalous cost of football. We just have an opportunity to try and do something. As I’ve said in my letter to the club and WASC today (I won’t post a link, I’m not here to advertise) this is about saying it’s wrong to charge those prices, not that it’s wrong to pay them. As you say, people have the right to do that, but it’s a fairly obvious point that continuing to pay isn’t likely to drive change.
Yes, I admit that there will be people who chose to go to this game, but everything has to start somewhere.[/quote]
I meant ‘on our own’ in the sense that we’d probbaly be the first set of fans to pro-actively totally boycott a game. If it was totally boycotted, then it would indeed send out a powerful messsage – that, as well as being racists, us Wiganers are tight-fsted twats too, for starters. ;)
I’ve seen the link you mention elsewhere this afternoon. Anyway, I wish you the very best of luck with it, mate.
Right, so they specifically mentioned every team in that draw who has had past success in the competition did they? No, they didn’t. So why would Wigan deserve a specific mention?
I am not picking holes, it’s called debating on a forum. Don’t get upset if I don’t agree with you and please don’t do what you normally do which is just bang on and on with the same argument that has already been proved to be wrong. If you can contradict the statement in bold above, I might, just might carry on this particular debate with you. But I probably won’t.
As for my popularity, how many more times do I have to ask why anyone thinks that I give even the remotest flyer if anonymous “people” on this forum like me or not?
Don’t be such a mard arse to nit pick by asking did they mention every team – you know that was not what was intimated in my response nor that of grumpy – if you call that ‘debating on a forum’ then you have very poor skills indeed. So there is no need to employ your (for want of a better word) debating skills to make yet more excuses and hope that you have not embarrassed yourself yet again.
As for proving me wrong – you are clearly delusional as tis you who goes around in those circles until everyone is bored to the back teeth with your usual bickering, repetition and ‘I’m right’ clap trap. And you do court popularity on here, it is clear to see – I bet it’s the fore of all your conversations with the people who drink in your company in the pub.[/quote]
Well, I hope for your sake that you didn’t put too much money on that. You seriously think we would spend valuable socialising and drinking time discussing the likes of you? And you call me delusional!![/quote]
A tenner says I’m right though.[/quote]
Seriously, don’t flatter yourself you daft old twat. You’re rarely right about anything, what makes you think you’d be right about that? For the record, you’d have just lost a tenner of your winter fuel allowance had you placed that bet.
Now and again, you and that other old buffoon come up in conversation, along the lines of “why the hell do you even bother wasting time with those morons?” They have a point, to be fair
I am amazed at the hypocrisy. Whelan is being defended on here for making stupid, ill conceived, insulting and dated comments when trying to make light of the pretty untasteful texts Mackay sent yet, when it’s thrown back at them in a very tongue-in-cheek way those same people scream, out of order.
Yes Sammy, I was one of those standing up for Mr Whelan for his unfortunate mutterings which have been seen by most of the country as the utterings of an oldman who should have known better but were never meant to insult nor be offensive.
However, if you think that the headline in that blog was meant as ‘tongue-in-cheek’ then you have clearly missed the tasteless intent meant by his words. There was never any need to fan the flames of what was already a well trodden and discussed episode.
I, am not the hypocrite here, nor am I the ‘hey look at me’ type (as displayed by that beurk and wannabe writer, but I do know what I’m talking about and don’t curry favour by changing what I say to please an audience.
All the best from: Lord Chief Knobhead of the Darby and Joan Club
PS: never seen you in there but I wager we of the same age (or thereabouts)[/quote]
Poor old duffer’s getting confused now Sammy, you’re not having the credit for the Darby and Joan Club line. Perhaps Care Home would have been more apt for our confused, old member. He does seem awfully confused.
Right, so they specifically mentioned every team in that draw who has had past success in the competition did they? No, they didn’t. So why would Wigan deserve a specific mention?
I am not picking holes, it’s called debating on a forum. Don’t get upset if I don’t agree with you and please don’t do what you normally do which is just bang on and on with the same argument that has already been proved to be wrong. If you can contradict the statement in bold above, I might, just might carry on this particular debate with you. But I probably won’t.
As for my popularity, how many more times do I have to ask why anyone thinks that I give even the remotest flyer if anonymous “people” on this forum like me or not?
Don’t be such a mard arse to nit pick by asking did they mention every team – you know that was not what was intimated in my response nor that of grumpy – if you call that ‘debating on a forum’ then you have very poor skills indeed. So there is no need to employ your (for want of a better word) debating skills to make yet more excuses and hope that you have not embarrassed yourself yet again.
As for proving me wrong – you are clearly delusional as tis you who goes around in those circles until everyone is bored to the back teeth with your usual bickering, repetition and ‘I’m right’ clap trap. And you do court popularity on here, it is clear to see – I bet it’s the fore of all your conversations with the people who drink in your company in the pub.[/quote]
Well, I hope for your sake that you didn’t put too much money on that. You seriously think we would spend valuable socialising and drinking time discussing the likes of you? And you call me delusional!!
The most widely used formation in international football is 4-2-3-1 and the top clubs in Europe have been using variations of 4-2-3-1 over the past decade. In the Champions League ,with the exception of Barcelona and Manchester United in recent years,all finalists have used a 4-2-3-1. Inter in 2010,Chelsea in ’12 and Bayern Munich in ’13,all have played with their own interpretation of the 4-2-3-1 and won the Champions League.
That can’t be right. Martinez invented this 1 up front rubbish, and everyone knows you’ll never win owt unless you have two strikers.[/quote]
To be fair, the way we are playing it at the moment isn’t working. But I think that says more about the ineffectual three behind the lone striker than anything else.
So, going with something different is worth a shot. That said, we tried playing with 2 strikers a few weeks and had all of about 0 shots on target if I recall correctly. hard to remember, I think I was asleep for most of it.
Have suggested to the Club that they take a look at that website
As you appear to have taken a lead on this can you ask if they will be requesting that the PCC (Press Complaints Commission) or IPSO (Independent Press Standards Organisation), as is the new organisation, will be approached and any finding printed on the official website?[/quote]
I’d be absolutely embarrassed if the club did anything but ignore it completely. Can’t believe anybody is giving it a moment’s thought. Get over yourselves. The Bolton lad will be made up that you’re even talking about it[/quote]
Yes. That much that he has changed the format of the headline and taken away the offensive accusations for he knows that his stupid and crass actions could have closed down the blog that he writes for. If Cockney Latic had written anything as abusive do you think others would have rolled over and said – “oh look at them and their jolly japes, what a blast?” No they would have complained in the hope that the site was castigated.
And you Sammy, I’m not surprised you applauded Griff’s holier than thou approach the pair of you were jousting on your bloody high horses long enough.
Just remember, because it does not affect or insult you does not mean that it does not others. Your high and mighty attitude to everything you write is actually very pungent and onerous.[/quote]
I am amazed at the hypocrisy. Whelan is being defended on here for making stupid, ill conceived, insulting and dated comments when trying to make light of the pretty untasteful texts Mackay sent yet, when it’s thrown back at them in a very tongue-in-cheek way those same people scream, out of order.[/quote]
Precisely. And our current accuser was one of those who was particularly quick to defend Whelan’s words and tell every one else to get off the PC bandwagon, if I recall correctly. Different now the shoe’s on the other foot. But I was waiting for someone else to point that out.
