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And what happens if Bob goes tom?
Who do we get in?
What changes do they make?
Enlighten me…
IMO we have not got the worst squad in the league so the problem must be the manager. Anyone who came in would do a better job than this clown, may be play 2 strikers in a 4-4-2 just try something new cause they couldn’t do worse.
No chance of Sky showing anyone saying that Griff, not in this politically correct world we live in.
They’ll do it again, there must be a few coming over.it’s a complete sell out. Although the jobsworth’s at fifa will turn a blind eye and be more arsed about the poppy situation. They better wear them on sat. I will be and so should everyone else. Feck em
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Interviewing people round town about the Tics and there current predicament. Some idiot claims Martinez is a brilliant manager. :lol: :lol: :lol: I wish they had asked him how many times he had been in the last two and a half years.
Obviously not many.
How many said he was a useless Spanish waiter and want him out of the club right now? Because 99.9% of fans think that, you know.[/quote]
At last Griff, I always knew you were intelligent enough to get there in the end ;)
Let me start this by saying I rarely post. I’m just so annoyed at the moment I need to write down what I see are fundamental, and obvious, problems in my team. By that I do not mean that Gary Caldwell is the slowest footballer in the EPL – we know it and have documented it at lot already.Today at Wolves yet again the fans did not get on Roberto’s back. I agree – I want him to succeed at Wigan, he has the club and town at heart. His is own of ours and I want “ours” to do well. We’re different to Blackburn and I like that but I do not know how long we will be.
Let me say I expect to go down. Collectively we are not good enough. In a good team it is bigger than the sum of the individuals, our team is less than than the total of the players, and there has to be a reason for that. Roberto has to shoulder some if not most of the blame.Where do I think we go wrong? For me it’s in pairings and strength.
Centre back – we’ve got Caldwell, Gohouri, Alcaraz, Lopez and sometimes Boyce or Figeuroa. We’ve not had a stable back 4 (thanks to the summer South American tournament). We do not have a good combination in them. We used to have Scharner-Bramble-Boyce only two years ago and knew that the combinations generally worked: they understood each other. That’s no more. Caldwell is good when facing the ball, but slow as hell and plays too many risky balls. Alcaraz has the speed but same problem about getting caught. We have turned “overkill” into an art form in terms of passing from the back. It bores the hell out of me and generates more raving hearts than is good for a crowd. At least today we stopped that.
Midfield – no central partnership that works. The big disaster for me is Watson-Jones. It’s not working. Watson is the only midfielder we have (apart from the odd Gomez moment) who can deliver a killer pass (think the one to Salmon against West Ham). Since Jones has played Watson’s been pushed back – we’ve lost him going forward. For me it is one or the other and Watson wins. Diame is our star of the season. We never tackle, we intercept, we scare no one here.
Forward line – no partnership again. Rodallega clearly the biggest threat – but who does he interact with? He had a good relationship with N’Zogbia, but there’s no interplay with Di Santa or Moses. Just know he is really on his own, and he’s not good enough to do that. Moses beats a guy and then is stuck for his next move and we’re slow to get people into the box even if he wasn’t stuck. Di Santa is energetic and tries, but he’s really a one trick pony. Do you ever see him 1-2 with anyone? So we have forwards who are all individuals, no pairings. Hugo coming back late meant ther was no pre season chance to try a pairing out – another consequence of the summer cup in
What do I suggest? We need solid pairings in defence, midfield and up front – a singleton up there and we’re at Watford next season, it’s simple as that.
Up front I would go Rodellega-Sammon as they do try to interlink and probably the most compatible.
Midfield – Watson and Thomas as centre pairing – we need to win the ball – Thomas tackles albeit not always when the ball is still there. With Diame in there of course.
Centre back – Alcaraz and Boyce would be my preference but that leaves Stam at right back and he goes missing – so Alcaraz and Lopez who is not slower than Caldwell and might at least communicate with Alcaraz. Not ideal but best of the risky bunch.
Ok – now shoot me down!
It’s just a pity we have a right pair managing the team.
Let me start this by saying I rarely post. I’m just so annoyed at the moment I need to write down what I see are fundamental, and obvious, problems in my team. By that I do not mean that Gary Caldwell is the slowest footballer in the EPL – we know it and have documented it at lot already.Today at Wolves yet again the fans did not get on Roberto’s back. I agree – I want him to succeed at Wigan, he has the club and town at heart. His is own of ours and I want “ours” to do well. We’re different to Blackburn and I like that but I do not know how long we will be.
Let me say I expect to go down. Collectively we are not good enough. In a good team it is bigger than the sum of the individuals, our team is less than than the total of the players, and there has to be a reason for that. Roberto has to shoulder some if not most of the blame.Where do I think we go wrong? For me it’s in pairings and strength.
Centre back – we’ve got Caldwell, Gohouri, Alcaraz, Lopez and sometimes Boyce or Figeuroa. We’ve not had a stable back 4 (thanks to the summer South American tournament). We do not have a good combination in them. We used to have Scharner-Bramble-Boyce only two years ago and knew that the combinations generally worked: they understood each other. That’s no more. Caldwell is good when facing the ball, but slow as hell and plays too many risky balls. Alcaraz has the speed but same problem about getting caught. We have turned “overkill” into an art form in terms of passing from the back. It bores the hell out of me and generates more raving hearts than is good for a crowd. At least today we stopped that.
Midfield – no central partnership that works. The big disaster for me is Watson-Jones. It’s not working. Watson is the only midfielder we have (apart from the odd Gomez moment) who can deliver a killer pass (think the one to Salmon against West Ham). Since Jones has played Watson’s been pushed back – we’ve lost him going forward. For me it is one or the other and Watson wins. Diame is our star of the season. We never tackle, we intercept, we scare no one here.
Forward line – no partnership again. Rodallega clearly the biggest threat – but who does he interact with? He had a good relationship with N’Zogbia, but there’s no interplay with Di Santa or Moses. Just know he is really on his own, and he’s not good enough to do that. Moses beats a guy and then is stuck for his next move and we’re slow to get people into the box even if he wasn’t stuck. Di Santa is energetic and tries, but he’s really a one trick pony. Do you ever see him 1-2 with anyone? So we have forwards who are all individuals, no pairings. Hugo coming back late meant ther was no pre season chance to try a pairing out – another consequence of the summer cup in
What do I suggest? We need solid pairings in defence, midfield and up front – a singleton up there and we’re at Watford next season, it’s simple as that.
Up front I would go Rodellega-Sammon as they do try to interlink and probably the most compatible.
Midfield – Watson and Thomas as centre pairing – we need to win the ball – Thomas tackles albeit not always when the ball is still there. With Diame in there of course.
Centre back – Alcaraz and Boyce would be my preference but that leaves Stam at right back and he goes missing – so Alcaraz and Lopez who is not slower than Caldwell and might at least communicate with Alcaraz. Not ideal but best of the risky bunch.
Ok – now shoot me down!
I ain’t going to shoot you down you would change things and try something different which is essential as this is clearly not working.
”We had a great chance in a one-against-one situation (from Hugo Rodallega). We usually take those”When exactly Roberto?
In Bobs world were we are the lowest scorers in all 4 divisions, were points and league positions don’t matter and it’s all about the performance and stats. Absolutely clueless and the sooner he goes the better as every time he opens his mouth he talks shoite.
Agreed but its an irrelevant arguement really until the present incumbent vacates the post and I’m not sure thats going to happen.I would have agreed up to yesterday but after reading Big Daves interview in the Mirror I’m not to sure. Dave is struggling to sell the club and if we go down he has less than no chance. And if he did find someone rich or daft enough he would get nowt for us in the Championship.
Fair enough tool!But I bet you if Whelan asked O’Neil or Hughes there reply would be something like “Silly old tool”
May be but you don’t get if you don’t ask and we need a good manager to try and sort out the shoite that Martinez has created :angry: :angry:
Read what I said – Ask the question get the same answer tool!Do you think the answer from all four regardless of employment status will be NO!!!
I think the 2 working may say no but Hughes and O’neil not too sure tool.
Appley Bridge – You can try – Ask Hughes and Oneil but you’ll get the same answer if you asked Ferguson or MourinhoMartin O’neil not working. Ferguson and Mourinho employed by Manure and Real Madrid.
Talk sense you tool :huh: :huh:
Shocking defending and even worse finishing !!Thought the defenders were going to start clapping Al Habsi when he was making those saves, just stood there watching.
And as for our so called strikers
Yes but look at the positive stats we had more possession missed more chances and conceded more goals. Fook off Bob before we have no hope of staying up.
He must be a player Bob signed him and keeps playing him, we can’t question Bob it’s not allowed on this board don’t you know. He would never have worn the shirt again after the Bolton debarcle.
To our away support today. Just seen them on Sky with two banners, ‘Keep The Faith’ and ‘Believe’
There’s a lesson for the Blackburn fans and some on here.
we’ll see if they are still on show in 90 minutes[/quote]
Irrelevant. There ain’t no Martinez Out banners are there? You and your mates don’t have the balls. Happy to hide behind your cyber anonymity, but when it comes to it…[/quote]
Northernprimate there ain’t nowt wrong with my balls and on match day’s I support my team. However you and your Bob can do no wrong brigade cannot tell me that Bob’s master plan is working.
