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The fact that this fixture is a midweek game and now on Sky prompted my comment. I couldn’t possibly make that fixture anyway but if I want to ridicule how pathetic our support is then I will. You have missed the irony idiot ! When we sing 1-0 to the empty seats do you stand up shouting ” Shut the fcuk up you idiots ” ? No I didnt think so because that is irony you fool ! And Jimmy I wont go accusing him of being a Mud Hutter ! It would seem that I was wrong to assume that that business was water under the bridge now but obviously the cut was deeper than one first thought ! So deep it has touched a nerve !!
Not touched a nerve, just a little wind up. I thought you liked wind ups. My mistake ;)
Lets play predict the away support for this fixture. I will guess at 175 !
Is this what its come to? Our own fans having cheap digs at our support? After that comment you had better get yourself down to the Hawthorns in February, otherwise you will make yourself look like a right chump.
I hate the majority of our braindead supports. I wish you and everyone with the same mentality would f*£k right off![/quote]
Whoah!! You can’t say that! But seeing as you have you must either ‘be a Mudhutter’ (whatever that means) or be Arky.
I’m sure filmoss’s brother will be along in a minute to point this fact out to you ;)
Am I reading this correctly? Is the person who goes around calling people hooligans without any justification now going around threatening people with violence
Fascinating 8-)
The ironic thing is our Jeff used to buy it on a regular basis !! :)He should give it another try, it’s a good read. Apart from all the hoolie stuff :?
Most of you lot only started drinking in the Brick when the club booted you out of the South Stand bar anyway ;)
Some people think that you shouldn’t comment or give your opinions if you are not at the game and just watching in at home.You can mention me by name as that one was me. To be honest I have no problem at all with people commenting on the game.
What I do find a tad distasteful is when people come on here during or immediately after the game slating the manager or players for lack of effort when the only effort they’ve made themselves is to sit there in their bedroom in their underpants watching the game on a webfeed whilst eating cheesy wotsits (OK now I’m stereotyping :lol: )
What started off as a pleasant novelty for those who couldn’t make it to away games is now serving to propogate a witch-hunt from a pitchfork waving mob of keyboard warriors every time we lose a game.
Oh for the days when we were restricted to Matt McCann’s commentary’s in the lower divisions, contrary to popular belief, plenty of cack performances were served up then, The difference being that he made Leyton Orient v Droylsden sound like Barca v Real
Hopefully it will give them the advantage in tonight’s game and they will be able to serve up something better
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Oh right so because you think a few people might not be bothered that therefore means that everyone wants us to go down. Have you ever considered a legal career?
“Yes m’lud I think the defendant did steal those chicken nuggets from Iceland”
“Oh well if you think he did it, he must have done then, I’ll give him a hundred hours community service”Very strange. Would it not be better to stick to posting your own opinion on here, rather than assuming others?
As I’ve said on here previously, a certain gentleman used to write a lot of the articles for the magazine and website, a gentleman who founded the Mudhutter, Mudhuts Media and indeed Cockney Latic. After 42 years watching Latics he now only goes fleetingly and is involved with Wigan Robin Park. I’m not him, nor do I share exactly the same opinions as him, I also wasn’t born the last time we played Goole Town.
Personally, I hope we stick around for decades given the amount of knockers we have including many in our own town who occasionally pop up on here [waves at RLFans lurkers]
It’s not how it used to be but it never will be no matter what level we play at as football is rotten. Unless we get 92 FC United’s owned and run by fans, there will always be exploitation by players and their agents, media influence and extortionate ticket pricing. A working class game watched and played by working class people and you’ll get working class values. A playtoy of millionaires and mass marketed into every home in the country and across the world and it is solely about money these days and apart from at the very highest echelons of the game very few players are worth anything like the wages they earn. The trouble is that everyone else ends up chasing the money and getting further into debt to keep up and I would love to see something revolution like a salary cap introduced globally and the Sky money used to pump money into the grass roots game rather than buying a player their 8th sports car.
It’s not the working class sport it was but I still love my club and want them to do well, preferably with the current manager taking us further up the table over time not down. However, as a keen analyst of financial statements, I also recognise the constraints of retaining Premier League football and that the club is not sustainable at this level.
As far as I am concerned there would only be one small positive element of going down which would be that we might be spared the army of armchair experts who would either have to turn up and watch the game or if not keep their rabid opinions to themselves. The rest of us who are trying to support the club will be spared their diatribe, in many cases, before the game has even finished! From what I can gather and speaking to people who went (and indeed Bobby C on here), many had a good day Saturday – in spite of the result. On the other hand you have hysterical posts talking about having their Saturday ruined from people who have sacrificed an hour and a half sat in front of a computer screen. That’s as big if not more of an real embarassment than the performances on the pitch.
But again I stress, I don’t want us to go down and I don’t foresee a way back even for those saying away games would be better/cheaper, the likes of Oldham are charging £25 these days
To be fair he joined not long after you did. Just chose now for his first post, he posted quite a bit on the old sites.
so then it’s not hard to work out were he normally posts and i don’t mean there new one![/quote]
It’s not hard to work out when you always point the finger in the same direction is it Bob without a shred of evidence :roll:
Dare I say it but a recipe for relegation !! The Mud hutters will be rubbing their hands in anticipation of the drop !Which Mudhutters in particular are you referring to? It might be helpful if you could give more than one example seeing as you have used the plural Mudhutters.
As editor of that publication and website, I do not recall anyone writing anything stating that they were looking forward to us getting relegated, the only instance I have seen of such comments have been made on here by Vat69?
I’m sure you wouldn’t have written such a thing for the sake of it though
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i made one comment generalising about you as the editor of a publication that has among its contributers people who have written in the past articles which waxed lyrical over past misdeeds and you had editorial control over those articles,as i said at the time for me it was a case of guilt by association.you took exception to my comment just as i did to your original article, in particular you ranted about fans walking away from wigan athletic and praised fc united fans for doing the same, that is what got my hackles up in fact it made me bloody angry if truth be told .
i never intended it to be personal against you – how could it be so when i dont even know who you are, i never printed any lies as you say,and if you feel that it was a personal attack on you and not your position as editor of mudhutter i truly and openly apologise for that un reservedlyFair enough mate, I don’t bear grudges.
However, for the record, the man who started Mudhutter and wrote a load of the hoolie stuff and clothes stuff was also the man behind Cockney Latic in the 80’s and again in the late 90’s. Indeed while flicking through early Cockney Latics in the days when he was editor there are loads of pieces about Stone Island and Non League Hooligans.
Kind of begs the question why you find the Mudhutter offensive but find it perfectly acceptable to post on a website that also was for many years the home of a fanzine containing similar articles written by more or less exactly the same people?
The chap concerned is now involved with Robin Park and hasn’t been on the Latics scene for a couple of years (ironic eh?) and there hasn’t been much of that nature published in the last few years
As for the FC United stuff, it is a completely different situation – they walked away because of going ons OFF the pitch, we are talking about people walking away because of goings on ON the pitch. However, for clarity I will repeat what I said to you at the time:
First of all, you appear to be confused? Are you comparing Wigan Athletic with FC United? Or as it would appear more logical are you are comparing Wigan Athletic with Manchester United? Do you have even the faintest idea why FC United were formed?
Let’s concentrate on the four key football finance areas of ownership debt, operating profits/losses, servicing interest payments & ticket pricing
Wigan Athletic is backed by one man whom without him we would be at best playing three or four levels below where we are. He has not got the club into debt – he IS the debt covering the £55m losses with a £40m interest free loan and a £15m bank overdraft secured on his personal land and assets.
Manchester United have been purchased by nearly £650m of leveraged buyout funds (that’s someone else’s money in layman’s terms) by a bunch of American sharks who draw up to £30m per annum out of the football club in personal funds and have laden the club with £60m of debt interest charges per annum meaning that the likelihood of them making any profit at EBITDA level is nigh impossible.
The average season ticket price at Old Trafford has increased from £487 in May 2005 to £722 this year, the season tickets in this time at Wigan have increased from £250 to £250, just over half the price that United tickets were five years ago?
Club saddled with expensive debt while the owners take millions out in drawings and even more debts to services the large interest payments running at 14% of turnover and eating away at profits and expensive ticket prices = unhappy fans
Interest free loans from owners without which club would be insolvent, covering accumulated losses out of owners own pocket and cheap ticket prices (should) = happy fans
The Pagey is advertising that the game is on in there tonight, and free half time food. I was in there one matchday recently and as we left for the game at ten to three, there were more people coming in than going out.
It’s a difficult one though as our tickets are actually very cheap. It’s about £20 to watch Rochdale at home and £25 to watch Oldham in League One. I think we are in a unique position and should consider really lowering the prices and more importantly market and advertise the cheap tickets. However, too much and season ticket holders would feel disillusioned.
We’ve just got to accept that we live in a town whereby if we let people in for free they’d still complain that they weren’t getting free food at half time like they would if they watching it in the pub :roll:
now i may be wrong and i usually am by the way -but my interpretation of that whole article was a dig at so called jcl’s and the point i tried to make badly,it seems, was that many long term fans were just as disalusioned as the newer ones-the same as i am trying to make with standishs comments on west standers -who i state again tend to be long seving/suffering supporters.I am sure that there are longer term fans drifting away, and I know plenty myself. A certain Mike Harding lookalike never even made it through the doors of the JJB despite not missing a game for donkey’s years beforehand.
And I know that many longer term fans are disillusioned about the way Roberto Martinez has us playing. They’ve every right to their opinion and you’ve every right to your opinion. I have no problem with your opinion. To be honest, I’d always make a friend than an enemy. Unfortunately, you’ve told a pack of lies about me on here in full view of everyone, refused to apologise and that’s my problem with you, nothing to do with your opinion.
I don’t have the clothes budget I once had but I’m hardly a chav :oops:
My view was that the crowds have dropped off season upon season since the going got tough and that is exactly the time when true fans get behind their team, even if they disapprove of the style of play on the pitch.
I’m not saying you’re right or wrong but if you are right that thousands are staying away purely because of Martinez and he is purely the reason we are in the position we are in, then great – all we need to do is bring on the firing squad and at the next home game I expect to see an extra 5,000 home fans through the turnstile and mid table safety just a matter of weeks away.
I believe that he has a long term plan, even though you might dismiss it as ‘spin’ and the day when he is fired will be a very sad day indeed (in my opinion) and will just mean revert to short-term fix which only ever provides short term solutions….
Just to clear things up, he meant the article was on here and not Mudhutter ! The strange thing is I have read comments about JCL’S on Mudhutter before today so why the search thingy doesnt find that word is a mystery ? It was quite a while back though, like over a year !So not in the last few weeks and not by me, the ‘editorial chav’ as loudmouth blue would have it. Thanks for confirming that and proving once again that loudmouth is telling porkies.
I wouldn’t dream of saying no-one has ever used the phrase, they undoubtedly have, I undoubtedly have and I’m sure numerous people on here have.
However, what our esteemed friend seems to be missing is that just because one person says or writes it doesn’t mean that everyone says it or indeed it is the majority view.
I get tired of saying that the Mudhutter is a Wigan Athletic fanzine which anyone can contribute do, no matter what their point of view and all views that are contributed are those of the individual and not necessarily everyone who has written, bought, read, contributed or sold a copy in their lives in much the same way as this site is.
Indeed, the other thread on here against modern football, you will see that it says ‘Mudhutter supports this’, what I actually said to the lads is that ‘Mudhutter offers any fan or group of fans a platform to say what they feel or promote any particular cause relating to Wigan Athletic.’
Whether I support it or not is irrelevant. As even if I don’t agree with it, I will still offer people the chance to put their point forward, as I do mine.
I have never heard any anti Martinez chanting at games.
You obviously do not sit in the West Stand. No chanting, but some of the abuse hurled by morons there is embarassing.
There are a few prize plumbs not far from where I sit, and even if Martinez doesn’t hear their comments, the reserves and backroom staff are definitely in earshot.[/quote]
would it be fair to assume that those in the ‘earshot seats’ in the west stand are mostly long term supporters not the JCL’s claimed to be the martinez detractors by most – i remember an article a few weeks ago that turned into yet another slanging match on here by the editor in chav of mudhutter that claimed it was only the JCL’s moaning about the club/martinez,who would dissapear into the sunset if we got relegated-and most on here seemed to agree with him.
so what is it standish thats causing you so much anguish -long term fans “prize plumbs” or “JCL prize plumbs” ?[/quote]
[link2:1a25p93s]Mudhutter article,http://www.mudhutter.co.uk/search.php?q=JCL%27s&r=0&s=Search&in=&ex=&ep=&be=&t=news&adv=1%5B/link2:1a25p93s%5D
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