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Thought you were out of this thread? :lol:
Love how people just drag stats off Wikipedia and don’t go into the real detail!
The other day I was chastised on here about Harry Kane’s loan spells before he made it at Spurs, well James Tavernier is 23 and his last 2 loan spells have been hugely successful, in seeing him promoted both times from this division. He made 30 appearances for Rotherham and scored 5 goals, a far better return than say Fortune last season despite being a defender. At Bristol City he started 9 games from the 12 appearances quoted and scored 3 goals. He has so far scored 2 goal in 3 games at a massive club called Rangers no matter how many fans he played in front of FFS!
In my opinion given regular football the lad is proving himself to be a talent despite the ridicule by the football mensa brains on here. Don’t forget he played for us at a time when that daft German was chopping and changing like nobody’s business and masterminding our downfall, don’t forget this fella was sacked on the basis he’d lost the plot. He didn’t sign for Rotherham as they couldn’t compete with what we were offering, I don’t know why Bristol City didn’t pursue him, I know their fans were very keen but I’m sure he’d rather be at Rangers and I can’t blame him for wanting to be away from us & this division. I’d imagine he just wants to play football and get some success.
OK now I’ve slapped you about a bit with Tavernier and the actual facts, Waghorn.
40 appearances for WAFC, 21 starts, 8 goals. Would have led the line far better than Fortune, would have scored more goals than Fortune, never given the chance. One more clueless decision by the management. The Millwall sending off was daft but pure frustration. We were already down after the failings of the management, to say he sealed our doomed is clutching at straws, in your faltering argument. If you actually look at his goals per minutes played (career) it’s at 1 goal every 268 minutes or a 1 in 3 games ratio.
I also know how old Kenny Miller is and that paragraph you spout about him shows you up as Mr Irrelevant. WTF have Pele and Maradonna got to do with Kenny Miller playing for Rangers at 36 when he can still cut it.
Saying that you were probably arguing with someone about Kevin Phillips comparing him to a 95yr old Eusabio when he was still banging them in at 40!Delort is doing well, I’ll leave it at that, the only reason I’m still here about Tavernier and Waghorn is to answer the point of view that both are shite just because they didn’t look very good to some, when the whole team was dirt due to terrible tactics and mis-management.
To slate a division or Kenny Miller or Fraser Fyvie or Pele or Maradonna just because 2 lads we let go are doing well is just childish.
Up the Gers!
Slapped me about a bit over Tavernier?? :lol: ? I suppose all your stats where straight out of your head. :lol:
Lets discuss his appearances for Bristol. He was bench warming as usual and got a lucky break when the player keeping him out of the team was injured. So your reference to a successful spell should read, not deemed good enough by the league 1 team to start games, but was fortunate to be the only fit right back at the club so managed to get a few games. Check Wikipedia I doubt there is any mention of this.I’ll answer your question why didn’t Bristol sign him, because he just wasn’t good enough.
You can’t knock him for scoring goals, but it needs elaborating on, as most of them where probably free kicks. Agreed, Fortune had a hopeless return for Latics, but might have got a few more if given free kick duties around the edge of the box.
You say “In my opinion given regular football the lad is proving himself”… is he really after just 3 or 4 games??
Just remember is average games per season over the past 6 seasons, what makes you think it will change after just a few games?.
Good luck to the lad I to hope he does well for Rangers, but for you to give the ner, ner, nener, ner just cos he and Waggs have had a decent start for Rangers is ridiculous.
I very much doubt, anyone who has managed him at Wigan will be thinking “If only I’d played him” :lol:Now that I’ve took your slap without blinking and kicked you in the bollucks over Tavernier, lets move on to Waggs.
Your bold statements about Waghorn would have done this and would have done that are based on exactly what? an inkling?, a feeling in your water?, a secret crush on him?
I actually liked the player, always wanted him to come into the team and secure his place, but he just didn’t make things happen.Led the line better than Fortune? Don’t think so, MAF was good at holding the ball up,running the channels and linking up, he was just absolute garbage in front of goal. The system being deployed by the various managers was one lone striker, like it or lump it.
I notice the jury is still out on Waghorn at Rangers, have a browse round their forums. I also wish him well there, but have not lost any sleep over the fact he’s gone.
I’m still of the opinion that the class of football both Waggs and Tavs are currently playing at is no better than league one. Miller is passed it and Fyvie has never had it, it was you who started the childish remarks off, with that ludicrous statement about 35 year old Kenny Miller. You set yourself right up for the Pele / Maradona statement,
Finally when are people going to understand that attendances don’t bring good teams or good players. Yes rangers play in front of a massive crowd -EVERY TWO WEEKS, the other weeks they will be no bigger than League One in England. So your point is what? :whistle:[/quote]
So You’re ignoring the Rotherham games and his previous regular football?making things up about Bristol City not taking him. The evidence is there I’m hardly quoting only 4 Rangers games am I? As for attendances I wasn’t the one talking about them in the first place was I?
You are all there aren’t you?[/quote]OK we’ll talk Rotherham, another team who didn’t fancy him long term or thought he was worth spending any bucks on.
He played 27 games for Rotherham, almost twice the number of games he played for any other club, the next highest being 16, still not good reading Terence.Did or did you not mention that these players would be playing in front of 40,000 fans? Sorry I must have dreamt it.
If you are not just quoting the Rangers games [see original post / topic] what are you weeing in your pants over these two for?
I’m beginning to think your 9 cans short of an 8-pack. :blink:From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!Thought you were out of this thread? :lol:Love how people just drag stats off Wikipedia and don’t go into the real detail!
The other day I was chastised on here about Harry Kane’s loan spells before he made it at Spurs, well James Tavernier is 23 and his last 2 loan spells have been hugely successful, in seeing him promoted both times from this division. He made 30 appearances for Rotherham and scored 5 goals, a far better return than say Fortune last season despite being a defender. At Bristol City he started 9 games from the 12 appearances quoted and scored 3 goals. He has so far scored 2 goal in 3 games at a massive club called Rangers no matter how many fans he played in front of FFS!
In my opinion given regular football the lad is proving himself to be a talent despite the ridicule by the football mensa brains on here. Don’t forget he played for us at a time when that daft German was chopping and changing like nobody’s business and masterminding our downfall, don’t forget this fella was sacked on the basis he’d lost the plot. He didn’t sign for Rotherham as they couldn’t compete with what we were offering, I don’t know why Bristol City didn’t pursue him, I know their fans were very keen but I’m sure he’d rather be at Rangers and I can’t blame him for wanting to be away from us & this division. I’d imagine he just wants to play football and get some success.
OK now I’ve slapped you about a bit with Tavernier and the actual facts, Waghorn.
40 appearances for WAFC, 21 starts, 8 goals. Would have led the line far better than Fortune, would have scored more goals than Fortune, never given the chance. One more clueless decision by the management. The Millwall sending off was daft but pure frustration. We were already down after the failings of the management, to say he sealed our doomed is clutching at straws, in your faltering argument. If you actually look at his goals per minutes played (career) it’s at 1 goal every 268 minutes or a 1 in 3 games ratio.
I also know how old Kenny Miller is and that paragraph you spout about him shows you up as Mr Irrelevant. WTF have Pele and Maradonna got to do with Kenny Miller playing for Rangers at 36 when he can still cut it.
Saying that you were probably arguing with someone about Kevin Phillips comparing him to a 95yr old Eusabio when he was still banging them in at 40!Delort is doing well, I’ll leave it at that, the only reason I’m still here about Tavernier and Waghorn is to answer the point of view that both are shite just because they didn’t look very good to some, when the whole team was dirt due to terrible tactics and mis-management.
To slate a division or Kenny Miller or Fraser Fyvie or Pele or Maradonna just because 2 lads we let go are doing well is just childish.
Up the Gers!
Slapped me about a bit over Tavernier?? :lol: ? I suppose all your stats where straight out of your head. :lol:
Lets discuss his appearances for Bristol. He was bench warming as usual and got a lucky break when the player keeping him out of the team was injured. So your reference to a successful spell should read, not deemed good enough by the league 1 team to start games, but was fortunate to be the only fit right back at the club so managed to get a few games. Check Wikipedia I doubt there is any mention of this.I’ll answer your question why didn’t Bristol sign him, because he just wasn’t good enough.
You can’t knock him for scoring goals, but it needs elaborating on, as most of them where probably free kicks. Agreed, Fortune had a hopeless return for Latics, but might have got a few more if given free kick duties around the edge of the box.
You say “In my opinion given regular football the lad is proving himself”… is he really after just 3 or 4 games??
Just remember is average games per season over the past 6 seasons, what makes you think it will change after just a few games?.
Good luck to the lad I to hope he does well for Rangers, but for you to give the ner, ner, nener, ner just cos he and Waggs have had a decent start for Rangers is ridiculous.
I very much doubt, anyone who has managed him at Wigan will be thinking “If only I’d played him” :lol:Now that I’ve took your slap without blinking and kicked you in the bollucks over Tavernier, lets move on to Waggs.
Your bold statements about Waghorn would have done this and would have done that are based on exactly what? an inkling?, a feeling in your water?, a secret crush on him?
I actually liked the player, always wanted him to come into the team and secure his place, but he just didn’t make things happen.Led the line better than Fortune? Don’t think so, MAF was good at holding the ball up,running the channels and linking up, he was just absolute garbage in front of goal. The system being deployed by the various managers was one lone striker, like it or lump it.
I notice the jury is still out on Waghorn at Rangers, have a browse round their forums. I also wish him well there, but have not lost any sleep over the fact he’s gone.
I’m still of the opinion that the class of football both Waggs and Tavs are currently playing at is no better than league one. Miller is passed it and Fyvie has never had it, it was you who started the childish remarks off, with that ludicrous statement about 35 year old Kenny Miller. You set yourself right up for the Pele / Maradona statement,
Finally when are people going to understand that attendances don’t bring good teams or good players. Yes rangers play in front of a massive crowd -EVERY TWO WEEKS, the other weeks they will be no bigger than League One in England. So your point is what?
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What a journey!Here’s James Tavernier’s games and goals since 2009. Add all his games up, he has averaged less than 15 games per season. It doesn’t appear that he could hold a regular place down at most of the teams he played for. He’ll probably go out on loan to Shrewsbury or Wrexham in the January window. :woohoo:
Years Team Apps† (Gls)†
2009–2014 Newcastle United 2 (0)
2011 → Gateshead (loan) 13 (0)
2011 → Carlisle United (loan) 16 (0)
2011–2012 → Sheffield Wednesday (loan) 6 (0)
2012 → Milton Keynes Dons (loan) 7 (0)
2013 → Shrewsbury Town (loan) 1 (0)
2013–2014→ Rotherham United (loan) 27 (5)
2014–2015 Wigan Athletic 11 (0)
2015 → Bristol City (loan) 12 (3)
2015– Rangers 3 (2)* Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only.
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What a journey!Is this the complete squad now or are there any rumours of signings before deadline day to push on go the 100 pts?According to some on here we could do with seeing if Dean Windass is available, he scored quite a few goals in his prime and what about Jamie Cuerton so did he.
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What a journey!You’re right Fil, there’ll always be idiotic responses like the one above when folk are proven wrong about something.
Almost forgetting we were beaten 2-0 yesterday by Gillingham in Division One!
Tavernier and Waghorn are too good for Division One and will be playing in the top division in Scotland in front of 50000 next season. Good move for them both.Who has been proven wrong and about what?, grow up man! if you think the standard of football in the Scottish championship is any higher than league one in England you’re a bigger numpty than I thought.
Did you think we wouldn’t, or shouldn’t, get beat in league One? This will be a hard league make no mistake, there will be no gimmies. I would have taken a point yesterday before KO.
Losing 2-0 to Gillingham is nothing to be shamed of, that’s unless your a JCL. There is also nothing to make me feel that having “Tavs and Waggs” in the team would have changed the result yesterday. Both those players flattered to deceive during their stay with us, not impressing the people who managed them day in day out enough for them to hold down a regular spot in a poor performing Championship team.Just remember, Rangers where favs to go into the Scots Premiership last season and failed, does that sound familiar to you?[/quote]
To slate a game where someone like Kenny Miller played who’s scored more goals than our last dozen ‘strikers’ could dream of is a bit rich and not to mention dismissive just because Tav and Wags played in it and are doing well. It’s you who should grow up pal.
If your posts aren’t blue tinted they’re riddled with green eyed undertones.
To answer Bigroy, my thinking, call it logic if you like is that Tavernier was promoted the last 2 seasons from Division One, getting player of the year first time around with Rotherham and was given hardly any chance by our previous (sacked)
managers. Waghorn I always liked and he scored goals regularly, despite not getting a run in the team due to our previous (sacked) managers.
The fact that Mark Warburton, a manager admired by many (not to mention successful at Championship level) wanted them as some of his first signings for one of the biggest clubs in Europe no matter what division their in, seems to back up my view, that they’ll probably play a big part in next years Premier League in Scotland.
Hope that get’s my opinion across, backed up by some logic, rather than snide unneccasary comments and some references to crowds of 1200.For the record I remember watching Fyvie play most of the previous seasons pre-season and looking improved, hungry and talented, only to be left out in the cold once the season started.[/quote]
Are you for real? Kenny Miller is 36 in a few months time, so you wouldn’t slate a competitive game this weekend in Scotland or England that had Pele and Maradona in?
As for Fraser Fyve, I saw him in his pre-season games too and he looked quite handy, when it came to a competitive game he looked more like Andy Pandy!!
I’m out of this thread, unbelievable, fekin unbelievable!!
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What a journey!You’re right Fil, there’ll always be idiotic responses like the one above when folk are proven wrong about something.
Almost forgetting we were beaten 2-0 yesterday by Gillingham in Division One!
Tavernier and Waghorn are too good for Division One and will be playing in the top division in Scotland in front of 50000 next season. Good move for them both.Who has been proven wrong and about what?, grow up man! if you think the standard of football in the Scottish championship is any higher than league one in England you’re a bigger numpty than I thought.
Did you think we wouldn’t, or shouldn’t, get beat in league One? This will be a hard league make no mistake, there will be no gimmies. I would have taken a point yesterday before KO.
Losing 2-0 to Gillingham is nothing to be shamed of, that’s unless your a JCL. There is also nothing to make me feel that having “Tavs and Waggs” in the team would have changed the result yesterday. Both those players flattered to deceive during their stay with us, not impressing the people who managed them day in day out enough for them to hold down a regular spot in a poor performing Championship team.Just remember, Rangers where favs to go into the Scots Premiership last season and failed, does that sound familiar to you?
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What a journey!Tavs nets the winner for Rangers against Hibs today!Which just goes to show how shyte that Scottish Championship football is. Fraser Fyfie was playing for Hibs, Kenny miller for Rangers, nuff said. :P
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What a journey!He did nothing today, in fact he looked like a kid playing with grown ups. GC took him off at half time.
But the Gillingham fan I was with rated him, what do I know ah..He apparently picked up a knock after 30 mins and GC didn’t want to aggravate it, so replaced him at half time. You’ve put 2 and 2 together and got 5. :S
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What a journey!Would be a great move to put him alongside GC, he would learn so much from him.
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What a journey!Headless chicken was what the landlord of my local called him, he’s a Blackpool fan by the way! Said he will run all day long but when he does get the ball he will invariably give it away! God loves a trier though eh!That’s one semi bad game in 5, not bad eh! B)
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What a journey!Talking to a Blackpool fan today who said he was a grafter for them, but couldn’t pass to a tangerine shirt.
Could our manager be a better coach than some are giving him credit for? :huh:The comparison of Perkins to Cattermole and Brown ends at the graft bit. I can’t see DP missing a third of the season through suspensions. :woohoo:
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What a journey!There’s one thing with Perkins, he’s certainley got a good ‘engine.’
His nickname is Diesel !!![/quote]
No Diesel is definitely the kit man. He goes round the dressing room before the game hanging up the strips saying “Diesel fit him, Diesel bury him..” :blink:
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What a journey!
