If you have a line into him and his family let them know he is in all our thoughts.

Last night on the progress with unity podcast run by Vital Latics, they had a Huddersfield fan on previewing Saturdays game, he said that Le Fondre was in talks with them and hopefully the deal would be finalised so he could play against us on Saturday.

Is Katharina Liebherr anything to do with that family by any chance, oh I forgot yes she is, I wonder is that the same woman who has ousted the man behind Southampton’s recent success and told them that no more family money will be used to bankroll them.

In the same respect, not many can see what Forshaw has done to justify a £4m move to WAFC, my main problem with Forshaw, which has nothing whatsoever to do with what role he fills in the team, is his passing ability which is dire for a player who came to us with some sort of reputation.

After your protestations about Espinoza’s ability how can you then accuse others of making Forshaw the “new scapegoat”, Espinoza came to us on a free transfer is one of the lower paid members of the premier league squad still with us, has some faults, but has always given his all and brought much more to the table than in his time with us than any of Rosler’s signings have done to date including Forshaw.[/quote]

Do you even know what scapegoat means, or are you just twisting things again to suit an argument you want to start?

I have never said that Espinoza is the cause of all our problems (or scapegoat) just that I don’t think he is anywhere near as good as lots of people seem to make out.

As for Forshaw, I am not convinced yet about him yet, either. But I think he shows some promise in that holding position. I don’t recall his ball retention and distribution being anwyere near as bad as Espinoza’s on Saturday but I wasn’t watching him as closely as I was watching the whirling dervish.[/quote]

Twisting, wanting to start an argument and accusations of not knowing what a word means, why do you turn everything nasty, I was perfectly polite in my response to you but you can’t deal with any disagreement to your opinion.

Every man and his dog knows Espinoza’s faults, but many also see the positives within what he does, if he was perfect he would not be playing for us in the first place, a team is made up of differing elements, and he does have something to offer, his passing on Saturday was poor but only as bad as Roslers marquee signing who cost 4 million quid, he also created a sitter for ‘the real waste of space in our team’ Fortune to sky high and wide, he also was the person who instigated our other main chance that McCann could not convert, but you fail to acknowledge that choosing to rant about his negatives and that is the reason I find your scapegoat description of Forshaw rather strange.

How do you know none have Anthony, perhaps another club may have and the previous managers felt he had a role within the squad.

Kansas want Espinoza back, as far as I know they haven’t asked to take any of our other players on loan, especially the ones Rosler signed but didn’t rate enough to play them, perhaps they think Espinoza is better than they are.

Whether any of my stupid speculation is true or not, it is as legitimate as your claptrap.

In the same respect, not many can see what Forshaw has done to justify a £4m move to WAFC, my main problem with Forshaw, which has nothing whatsoever to do with what role he fills in the team, is his passing ability which is dire for a player who came to us with some sort of reputation.

After your protestations about Espinoza’s ability how can you then accuse others of making Forshaw the “new scapegoat”, Espinoza came to us on a free transfer is one of the lower paid members of the premier league squad still with us, has some faults, but has always given his all and brought much more to the table than in his time with us than any of Rosler’s signings have done to date including Forshaw.

Espinoza was up and down today, some things very good other things, including his passing, shocking. What I find rather ironic is the OP was one who would argue to the end of time in defence of Gomez, a player who spent his whole Latics career(apart from the last couple of months) going from one extreme to the other, granted Gomez had higher technical ability than Roger ever will have but he was terrible far many more times than his occasional red letter days.

The other thing I find strange is nobody has mentioned some other players.

Forshaw’s passing is awful for the so called influential talented string puller we were led to believe he was before we signed him, as for Fortune, Griff you once said that you couldn’t see the point of Espinoza, well I am the same with Fortune for a strapping lad he can’t hold off a defender and hits the deck at the merest contact, he doesn’t win headers, he has a first touch on par with Kone and his passing is worse than Espinoza and Forshaw put together.

Lastly I would like to know what on earth McManaman contributed today, he was shocking, he never once tracked back and gave Boyce no protection or help whatsoever, no wonder Boycey looked knackered.

For all the bad things individually today, there were many positives, overall we were a lot better as a team and apart from Fortune the others are better than their displays today, and will improve. Maloney was different class but the biggest positive had to be Chris McCann he was brilliant seeing how long he has been out, it was just a pity he didn’t finish the glorious chance that dropped to him, incidentally one of two chances(the other fluffed by Fortune) set up by “an average player, at best”.