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I’m more concerned what happens off the field though TBH.
I beleive you cant enter a 2nd season in Administration. Assuming nobody stumps up the cash to buy you, at what point does your position in the EFL become intenable? Is it on kick-off day of the 21/22 season, or is it the day the fixtures are announced?
I know Bury’s expulsion was delayed, and L1 had 23 teams, but they went into meltdown a lot quicker – I guess they didnt have the playing assets to sell off.
Streaming channels and other small incomes you quote come nowhere near to the monthly wage bill mutt you still have players earning obscene wages and parachute payments only last 3 seasons. Surely you must be worried especially as you have followed our struggles. I came to like Your owner as he seemed to understand the need to make massive cutbacks in expenditure although he didn’t have the necessary time to implement them before covid hit. He also saw he needed massive investment from outside or he would need to sell up. Again thanks to this covid shit he has had to put the club up for sale. Sure once fans are allowed in again Sunderland can make a recovery by getting the masses back into the stadium but I’m sure at present their debt is growing on a weekly basis.
Not worried as whilst the wage bill is too high, all new signings have been made with this now-outlawed Salary Cap, hence why we have such dog-shit on the pitch in most positions. Our left back was released by Plymouth last season FFS….
In terms of income, £20m of the parachute payments were kept back by the owners in the form of a loan from the club to the holding company. It stank at the time, but the owners were adamant that they had done nothing wrong and the “loan” would be repaid. My understanding is that money is being drip-fed back into the club as and when it is needed. As I have already said, there was a lot of ST sold and a lot of fans are buying streaming passes for away games. Next month there would have been 5000 Sunderland fans at the DW, each paying £20 each – £100K for WAFC and nowt for SAFC. Instead there’ll be 5000 streams sold at £10 each, where you get the income from the first 500 and we get the rest – £5,000 for WAFC and £45,000 for SAFC. Replicate that over the season and away games suddenly become quite lucrative for a well-supported club.
The owners, whilst appearing all nicey at the start were quickly found out to be chancers who had bet the house on an instant return to the championship, where they could flog us for a profit. When that didnt happen, they didnt have a plan B or the money to fund a plan B, hence why we went up for sale just over a year ago. A mixture of too many draws, change of manager and a season-ending pandemic just after we’d taken 1 point from 2 games meant we were pipped for a play-off spot on PPG. Had that last game been called off and had we not conceded a 95th minute equaliser in the next to last game, then we would have been in the play-offs. Small margins eh?
how the fuck are they surviving.
2 years of parachute payments has certainly helped, and a lot of fans bought Season Tickets, which in turn have been converted into home matchday streaming passes via SAFCSee – our own TV channel. In addition, the take-up for single streams at £10 has been very high (sometimes over 8000), and as the club who sells them gets all revenue over the first 500, it means that we are doing better than most.
How many streaming passes are being bought by Wigan fans? – you averaged around 10,000 pre-pandemic and (if I am correct) were not allowed to sell season tickets, so I would hope most of those fans will be buying them through the club rather than some dodgy foreign service which gives nothing to the club.
In terms of location, accessibility & comfort:
Sunderland
Hull
Doncaster
Peterborough
Charlton
Wimbledon
MK Dons
Plymouth
IpswichPossibles:
Shrewsbury
NorthamptonAbsolute nonsense ! Have you been to any of these grounds?
All, bar Wimbledons.
For those who think the DW is a state of the art stadium, eclipsing almost every ground in L1, I’ll ask this simple question:
In 9 months why hasnt it been snapped up at £3m?
In terms of location, accessibility & comfort:
Sunderland
Hull
Doncaster
Peterborough
Charlton
Wimbledon
MK Dons
Plymouth
IpswichPossibles:
Shrewsbury
NorthamptonHang on muttster. Who has classified the stadoum as grade D? It needs a bit of work but its still better than most.
You goons used to tell us it was the beat in SL. Now all of a sudden its a shit hole.
I didnt personally say that, but along with the KC, it was better than the rest, which were pretty shit (two of which are still shit). That was before Leeds redeveloped Headingley and Saints/Warrington moved to new stadiums.
Compared to stadium being built nowadays (especially those with corners filled in to stop the wind howling through), then the DW is nowt special, and I would say in terms of location, accessibility and comfort its not better than any current premier league ground, at least 75% of Championship grounds and at least 9 League one grounds.
How the F can draw a comparison with what West Ham pay ?. That has fcuk all to do with us the stadium is council owned.
60,000 seater A+ grade stadium in prime area of London with outstanding transport links.
25,000 seater D grade stadium in shithole area of downtrodden northern town with a couple of bus routes and a couple of stations over a mile away.
Other than your bitterness towards a rugby side who is owned and run by someone with a little bit of business acumen and common sense, why the Feck would the per game rent at the DW be the same as renting the Olympic Stadium in London?
And more importantly, would you be happy for the Latics to pay £75k per match (First team, youth team, friendlies) that was played at the DW if it fell into separate ownership?
Let’s see what he says when new Latics owners put his rent up from a pish taking 10% of all gate fees to the going rate a million a year
West Ham only pay £2.5m for exclusive use of the Olympic Stadium, which included changing all the seats to Claret & Blue. And they get a 50% reduction if they get relegated. And they get 30% of all match-day catering revenue. And the landlords pay for all stewarding.
If you think that £1m a year (and 100% of the catering) just to play a handful of rugby games on a shared pitch in Wigan represents a good deal then you are deluded.
Mind you, if Danson does end up owning both clubs, then feel free to help contribute to the £2m per year that the Latics would be charged, based on twice as many games. £500+ season tickets for L2 football?
Seems its horseshit – look elsewhere for your saviour.
The difference between a championship standard player and a L1 standard player is immense. In this league, you get 8/10 performances once every 3-4 games rather than every other game.
You also get inexplicable mistakes at key moments that cost you points. On the flip side, you also benefit from the opposition players having a brain fart moment.
That is why these players ply their trade in L1 and very few make a successful step up once they have hit their mid-20s.
Fortunately (or unfortunately in this case), adult footballers are exempt from employment laws whereby employees can have their employment terminated without compensation if they have worked for less than 2 years. Similarly, they are not permitted to give a period of notice to leave before their contract ends.
So, you are stuck with said two on whatever they are earning, just as you are protected when you sign a diamond who is earning relative peanuts on a long term deal.
He needs to go somewhere as its clearly been a car crash of a move for everyone except his bank account.
Sure, it may be down to “not playing to his strengths” but some of the open goals he’s missed defy belief.
The next couple of days will show if Grigg wants to play football or wants an inflated pay packet for doing nothing.
If Royal is so bothered about owning the club why doesnt he put the money up himself instead of trying to ponce it off acquaintances?
He probably did get to the bottom of what was going on and put it in the war chest for safe keeping…
