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I think it’s a lot of our FANS who lack ambition. When you get people saying they are quite happy to watch us fighting for survival each year, (Read it on here the other day) to be honest, that gets on my nerves.
That is a tremendous lack of ambition. So basically they are saying they are happy to win only a few games a season are they, enduring a perrenial struggle to stay up? That’s a terrible attitude I think. I’m not expecting us to win loads of games and be hovering around fifth or sixth place, a la Everton or Spurs, for example, but dear god! A bit of ambition above 17th place would be a bloody good start!
There is a difference between being content with what you have got which is the best position this club has ever been in in all its history and lacking ambition.
Its called being realistic something you obviously struggle with.
You are basically saying if everything does not go your way you have the right to spit your dummy out because you have been there and earned your badges.
Every latics mon can do what he wants as far as im concerned new or old but dont come on here boasting you are some sort of super tic and that I lack ambition because I dont throw my toys out the pram and wont throw aside everything I am happy with the current set up because of one crappy cup game.
Funny how so called darksiders come on whining and when they get challenged with facts start moaning they cant have an opinion.
Everyone can have an opinion just dont cry about it when someone wants to challenge that opinion.
Can imagine the Bradford fans coming on here laughing at the pathetic dummy spitting of our so called fans.
You are a disgrace to everything Wigan Athletic and you won’t be missed.
I personally think we have gone as far as we are going to go. We are always going to be struggling in the top flight and will always lose more than we win. Now if we continue to cause the odd upset then that will balance up the odd debacle and so therefore we keep watching ! We will always have to sell our best players and will always have to look for bargain buys just to survive in the Prem. It’s a pity RM’s domestic cup philosophy is what it is because a good cup run is always good for morale and that is what is needed at WAFC in my opinion. If we don’t get the odd upper like that then we have to be content with pretty much the same year in year out ! Win 1 draw 1 lose 3 with the odd upset thrown in now and again we obtain survival….Just ! That is the way it will always be I’m afraid !
I’m not sure about that. Think back to the championship days and leagues 1 and 2, who would have thought getting in the prem was possible?.
We have proved that on our day with the right decisions and a bit of luck we can beat any team in the EPL, its just consistency that we need. This comes with keeping a team together, only losing 1 or 2 in the transfer window each year.
I honestly feel that this team is capable of a top 10 finish this season, the likes of Sunderland, Fulham, Villa and West Brom will be setting their sites at this and possibly Europa league. Are they genuinely any better than us?
My next milestone is getting into Europe, be it a top 6/7 finish or the cup final route. OK it may take a few years but it is possible. Fighting it out for a champions league place may be out of our reach for the reasons Filmoss has stated, but the next best thing will certainly be on Whelan’s and Martinez’s radar over the next 3-5 years. B) goodpost[/quote]
Under Dave Whelan we always had the financial backing to take our pick of the best available players outside the PL.
The financial gap between the championship and PL can only be described as 2 seperate dimensions.
Take a look at one of the biggest prospects in the Championship at this moment in Wilfred Zaha.
The Palace fan I work with reckons he is on 3-4K a week tops :blink:
Anyway the point im trying to make is outside the premier league we have the financial power to sign whoever we want.
Inside the PL we are bottom of the financial willy waving league and by some considerable distance!!! Look at QPR … lower attendance than us yet they can pay 70K to the likes of Barton and Ji Sung Park etc.
Thus the getting to the PL was always a more realistic prospect than actually doing anything other than scraping for survival each year.
I personally think we have gone as far as we are going to go. We are always going to be struggling in the top flight and will always lose more than we win. Now if we continue to cause the odd upset then that will balance up the odd debacle and so therefore we keep watching ! We will always have to sell our best players and will always have to look for bargain buys just to survive in the Prem. It’s a pity RM’s domestic cup philosophy is what it is because a good cup run is always good for morale and that is what is needed at WAFC in my opinion. If we don’t get the odd upper like that then we have to be content with pretty much the same year in year out ! Win 1 draw 1 lose 3 with the odd upset thrown in now and again we obtain survival….Just ! That is the way it will always be I’m afraid !It doesnt happen often but you have spoken a bit of sense there phillipo :P
And I for one am quite content with all of that tbh.
Well if Uncle Dave doesn’t find that key Franco will be off in the Summer !No great shakes.
There is always the chance Boselli will sign a new long term deal
Boycott cup games, if the club cant be bothered then ditto I say !You already had!!!!!!!!!
EDIT: And to come on and gloat about it afterwards is pathetic phillipina.
People keep saying we are making progress, but yet I was staggered at how poor our fringe players performed last night, suggesting our squad is weak and if we have any injuries or suspensions, we don’t have any reliable quality to call upon.I would say the fact we are able to field a squad mostly made up of “fringe players” is major progress in itself.
Under Jewell we failed to fill the bench in the PL a couple of times.
And under Bruce these crap fringe players who are not good enough would be playing in the first team i.e Kapo, De Ridder and Chon Dong whatever.
People say we have progressed…..but how? I don’t see it. I looked at a programme from 07/08 today, when Bruce was in charge, and we were no better off points wise at this same stage as the season. So points wise, no better off, squad wise we are certainly no better off. We don’t have a reserve team, we have this ‘development squad’ nonsense……Go on type up the squad off your program I bet the likes of Kone, McCarthy, McCarthur, Caldwell, and Al Habsi put that squad to shame on paper.
…come on, explain how we are better off? Because we are what, 3, or is it 4, I forget, seasons into Martinez’s reign, and how are we better off? I don’t see as we are, in all honesty.1. We no longer roll over for the top 4 teams thus making a total of 24 points a season now a difficult but not impossible prospect.
2. As said in a previous point we now at least have a reserve, fringe, development squad instead of a squad half full of youngsters and half bruces seriously poor signings.
3. Every year we have stayed in the premiership under Martinez’s guidance has left us with a £60 million plus injection into the club which will only serve to increase the long term health of Wigan Athletic.
4. We now have a manager who actually cares about this club. If he left us at the end of the season we would be in a miles better position than the last 2 times Bruce had used us as a stepping stone and that my friend is a fact.
More than just a thought, but a common held opinion.
Watson at centre back?
I could have understood Jones back there and Watson in midfield. Not that it would have been particularly good – but I could understand it.
I’m curious George why you could understand Jones playing centre back but not Watson. They are both centre midfield players but Jones is probably more attack minded. I thought it made sense having Watson at the back as he had next to no defending to do and his main task was to take the ball off Ali and start the moves going – which I thought he did alright.[/quote]
No idea really – just a gut feeling. No rational explanation why I felt that way. Maybe just that Jones is a bigger “harder” player who looks like a defender. Watson is a (don’t laugh) creative midfielder type (I said, don’t laugh). I certainly don’t see Watson as a centre back.
But just my opinion. I coul dbe wrong. Usually am.[/quote]
Hmmmm im not sure…
He kinda looks like a defender here.
But then he deffo looks like a midfielder here…
Going off your comment re players not good enough should be moving on, who do you think should be moving on ? This question is for anybody who might be reading this. I will start the ball rolling with Watson who in my opinion is not good enough for Prem football !My peeve for the day.
People who simplify complicated issues.
Its all good and well saying who should move on.
And to answer your question if I was as trigger happy as you it would be Boselli, Crusat, Watson and Stam.
In reality Crusat and Stam.
Most were happy to see Diame on his way but I bet many would prefer him sat on the bench nowadays.
The question I put back to you is who do we replace these players with?????
The reserves lose on penalties and all the cretins come out of the wood work…
are you lot running out of things to moan about?
Write a letter to the council or something ffs.
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I am totally shocked by some of the comments especially from Filmoss apparently he knew what went on at the DW last night despite not attending :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]
Another failed attempt from our own regular wooden spoon merchant ! Roughly 50% of our fans didn’t bother ![/quote]
In all fairness Fil this thread is a bit of a wooden spoon in itself wouldnt you say?
;) He is a contender for the stealing a living award :oops:So am I sat on my arse posting on here all day.
You would think I have better things to be getting on with…
Just a thoughtIf and when either of the two Macs get injured or suspended who do the light side see stepping up to the plate who played last night
and / or are you also saying Watson is a serious contender for a centre back berth
Would be interested in your thoughts
If the choice was down to me it would be Watson.
His passing can be wasteful at times but he is still the calmest on the ball out of the options available…
However I personally think the McCarthy and McCarthur combination is instrumental to us doin well this season.
Who would your choice be out of interest?
I’m not wishing Bradford good luck in the next round they fekin robbed us of a result tonight,
I can’t believe you have said that, City played with a near reserve side like you did, One of our players has only ever made a sub appearance for us last season, and for as being robbed, no such thing, it was 11 men v 11 men, City players didn’t miss your chances, your Wigan players did, We came with a game plan of trying to contain you and it worked.[/quote]
For what its worth I agree with you mate.
Whatever the statistics say the matter of fact is you did what you came to do.
Congratulations and good luck for the next round.[/quote]
I am surprised that the club didn’t take those predicted tactics into consideration and the high possibility of a penalty shoot-out. What advantage did we have choosing the empty end to take the pens ? It was same for both sides ! :blink:[/quote]
Empty stand or 5,000 screaming Bradford fans.
I know which I would rather take a penalty in front of :)
I’m not wishing Bradford good luck in the next round they fekin robbed us of a result tonight,
I can’t believe you have said that, City played with a near reserve side like you did, One of our players has only ever made a sub appearance for us last season, and for as being robbed, no such thing, it was 11 men v 11 men, City players didn’t miss your chances, your Wigan players did, We came with a game plan of trying to contain you and it worked.[/quote]
Now come on lad if you are a genuine football person are you telling me that if your team batter say dag and red and lose to a last minute goal you won’t feel robbed. Your game plan didn’t include getting the run around and the oposition having 5 or 6 sitters. Sorry but you did “Rob’ us but your in the hat we are not. The team put out by Wigan has wound up some of our CL friends but not me. It still looked 4 divs above a poor Bradford team but failed to take any of its chances. I usually am one for being wound up if oposing managers don’t give us credit when we’ve beaten his team but a reality check is needed here, on the balance of play did you deserve to win. ?[/quote]Goals win games JR simple as.
If we dont score them we dont deserve to win.
I know where your coming from but Bradford cant shoulder the blame for us not finishing a bag full of chances.
As far as they are concerned it is job done no matter how long they were under the kosh for.
I’m not wishing Bradford good luck in the next round they fekin robbed us of a result tonight,
I can’t believe you have said that, City played with a near reserve side like you did, One of our players has only ever made a sub appearance for us last season, and for as being robbed, no such thing, it was 11 men v 11 men, City players didn’t miss your chances, your Wigan players did, We came with a game plan of trying to contain you and it worked.[/quote]
For what its worth I agree with you mate.
Whatever the statistics say the matter of fact is you did what you came to do.
Congratulations and good luck for the next round.
