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Salford’s integrity went flying out the window when he suggest Jones as a potential manager for us !! ha ha ha You just couldn’t make it up ! ha ha ha
He used to play for us but you wont remember that will you as you were supporting villa at the time?
Integrity :lol:
Steve Bruce with Eric Black as his assistant would be my choice
There’s about as much chance of that happening as I have of going to the moon a week next Tuesday.
Let’s keep it realistic, eh.[/quote]
Black is at the chicken ranch so he wont be back but spud yead well never say never he is still in close contact with dw they play golf reguarly and he his the godfather to the fish n chip mon, so if i was you contact NASA and see how much it will cost ;)[/quote]
NASA have stopped putting people into space so I reckon I won’t be going to the moon anytime soon.
goodpost[/quote]well if you had you would have been the first !! I am still laughing at the idea of Jones being our manager !!! Classic !! ha ha ha[/quote]
Oh sorry filly I forgot you were such good judge of a managers potential. :lol:[/quote]
See Salford this is what I’m talking about a great end to the season and you have him down as a future Jose or Pep. He has a long way to go and a lot to learn before you can talk about him as a great manager and only time will tell if he ever gets there.[/quote]
haha your attempt at sniping is getting pathetic !!
you cant win a debate to save your life so you resort to putting words in peoples mouth.
run along.[/quote]
Salford you talk about having a debate and call me a mongoid either 1)your not very old which would explain your crush on Bobby or 2)your just plain numb ;)[/quote]
Like I said I calls em like I sees em.
Its not a debate with you though is it.
You’re a sad little troll trolling around because you have been proven wrong by the best young manager in europe ;)
At least Filadelphia has opinions even if they are stupid most of the time.
Steve Bruce with Eric Black as his assistant would be my choice
There’s about as much chance of that happening as I have of going to the moon a week next Tuesday.
Let’s keep it realistic, eh.[/quote]
Black is at the chicken ranch so he wont be back but spud yead well never say never he is still in close contact with dw they play golf reguarly and he his the godfather to the fish n chip mon, so if i was you contact NASA and see how much it will cost ;)[/quote]
NASA have stopped putting people into space so I reckon I won’t be going to the moon anytime soon.
goodpost[/quote]well if you had you would have been the first !! I am still laughing at the idea of Jones being our manager !!! Classic !! ha ha ha[/quote]
Oh sorry filly I forgot you were such good judge of a managers potential. :lol:[/quote]
See Salford this is what I’m talking about a great end to the season and you have him down as a future Jose or Pep. He has a long way to go and a lot to learn before you can talk about him as a great manager and only time will tell if he ever gets there.[/quote]
haha your attempt at sniping is getting pathetic !!
you cant win a debate to save your life so you resort to putting words in peoples mouth.
run along.
Funny how the people who would begrudge him going to Liverpool are the same people who were calling for his head 6 months ago!!!!!!
I know it can be a bit frustrating hearing Whelan talking up players/managers that come good as if to put them in the shop window but surely this is one of our biggest attractions to young talented players that they can follow a similar route as the likes of Valencia without the club digging their heels in.
Look at the likes of Blackburn holding on to an unhappy Samba it didnt get them very far did it!!!
Anyway Dave Whelan is just being realistic maybe some on here should give it a try.
So you honestly believe that Bob has done us a favour this past 3 seasons??? We for the most part have been utter gash and until this amazing end to the season would not have got a job at Liverpool sweeping the car park. He is one of us you and the rest of the Lightside have preached for 3 years so now he can prove it.
If he’s as good as you think he is a couple more successful seasons will raise his stock and he will be able to take his pick of jobs.[/quote]
Fook me Hindley, you still are one miserable get sometimes![/quote]Sorry Standish after the end of season we’ve just had I’ve been buzzing but Salford with his Bob has done no wrong bull…. is doing my head. For the first time since Bob arrived we look like a football team and not even Bob himself saw it coming. And that’s a fact Salford a statement from the man himself when asked why the turn around, I don’t know he said.[/quote]
Hinders you tart.
Your doing my nut in with this bob can do no right gig.
Just had a fantastic end to the season and your still miserable.I have never said Roberto can do no wrong but even with his poor seasons he kept us up so no panic no need to be a drama queen about it is there !?!?
Makes me laugh at the thought you think he should of come in and the team instantly start playing like they did at the back end of last season you sound like a Liverpool fan…[/quote]
If it’s not you defending him all the time someone has stolen your identity because you will not have a bad word said about the bloke.[/quote]
I calls em like i sees em. Mongoid :P
Funny how the people who would begrudge him going to Liverpool are the same people who were calling for his head 6 months ago!!!!!!
I know it can be a bit frustrating hearing Whelan talking up players/managers that come good as if to put them in the shop window but surely this is one of our biggest attractions to young talented players that they can follow a similar route as the likes of Valencia without the club digging their heels in.
Look at the likes of Blackburn holding on to an unhappy Samba it didnt get them very far did it!!!
Anyway Dave Whelan is just being realistic maybe some on here should give it a try.
So you honestly believe that Bob has done us a favour this past 3 seasons??? We for the most part have been utter gash and until this amazing end to the season would not have got a job at Liverpool sweeping the car park. He is one of us you and the rest of the Lightside have preached for 3 years so now he can prove it.
If he’s as good as you think he is a couple more successful seasons will raise his stock and he will be able to take his pick of jobs.[/quote]
Fook me Hindley, you still are one miserable get sometimes![/quote]Sorry Standish after the end of season we’ve just had I’ve been buzzing but Salford with his Bob has done no wrong bull…. is doing my head. For the first time since Bob arrived we look like a football team and not even Bob himself saw it coming. And that’s a fact Salford a statement from the man himself when asked why the turn around, I don’t know he said.[/quote]
Hinders you tart.
Your doing my nut in with this bob can do no right gig.
Just had a fantastic end to the season and your still miserable.I have never said Roberto can do no wrong but even with his poor seasons he kept us up so no panic no need to be a drama queen about it is there !?!?
Makes me laugh at the thought you think he should of come in and the team instantly start playing like they did at the back end of last season you sound like a Liverpool fan…
Steve Bruce with Eric Black as his assistant would be my choice
There’s about as much chance of that happening as I have of going to the moon a week next Tuesday.
Let’s keep it realistic, eh.[/quote]
Black is at the chicken ranch so he wont be back but spud yead well never say never he is still in close contact with dw they play golf reguarly and he his the godfather to the fish n chip mon, so if i was you contact NASA and see how much it will cost ;)[/quote]
NASA have stopped putting people into space so I reckon I won’t be going to the moon anytime soon.
goodpost[/quote]well if you had you would have been the first !! I am still laughing at the idea of Jones being our manager !!! Classic !! ha ha ha[/quote]
Oh sorry filly I forgot you were such good judge of a managers potential. :lol:
Nothing lost of Moreno & Stojkovic??? So they played for free did they?? At the end of the day both were brought in with a view to a permanent signing & both were garbage so still “bad signings”
Lopez & Sammon have both been with Latics virtually as long as De Ridder & Kapo were before Bobby tried to offload them so you can’t write 2 of those off because it fits your argument & say that 2 others may still come good coz it does likewise. Going by that logic De Ridder & Kapo may well have come good too if they’d been given long enough. The fact of the matter is that neither have looked good enough as yet.
So thanks but I’ll keep Lopez & Sammon in there along with Moreno & Stojkovic. Stick Van Aanholt in there too. Ronnie Stam (the bloke who signed him won’t play him unless he’s desparate), Jason Scotland, Steve Gohouri, Antonio Amaya, Scott Sinclair, Jordi Gomez (produced it in flashes but not consistantly, Mauro Boselli
Now don’t get me wrong he’s signed some bloody good uns too & he’s signed some players who had shaky starts & have come good but you highlight bruces bad signings & ignore his good uns whilst denying Bobby makes many bad signings. Just as Bruce wasted Latics budget on bad players, so has Martinez – denying that to be frank renders your argument impotentNow you’re going onto a different argument all together.
Dont get me wrong I am happy to argue til I am blue in the face with anyone that tells me Bruce has not on many occasions proved himself to be a rubbish manager but the original point made we got on to was use of the budget available and the effect it has on the next manager.
I have already demonstrated Bruce spent alot more than Martinez did in a previous topic without even touching on wages of which I am confident there would be an astromonical difference between the two.
Bruce left = Martinez had to go about removing crap players on big wages with long contracts.
Martinez leaves (hopefully not) = the next manager has the most competitve premiership squad we have ever had on half the budget with the club breaking possibly announcing a profit.
Give me a manager who puts the long term sustainability of his employers over a manger who is looking to get quick success by rash signings any day of the week!
Lopez made a mistake against Wolves but looks fast and hungry and Sammon has not been given a fair crack of the whip yet in the way di santo has!
Im sure Filmoss was asking why Sammon was not playing ahead of Di Santo last season and now he is saying he is not good enough to be on the bench as fickle as it is im swaying off subject again!!!!
Bruce looked after Bruce’s team.
Martinez puts the clubs best interests into perspective and still manages to acheive relative success!!!!!!It is blatently obvious that Martinez is better value for money as again previously demonstrated.
Let me throw my pennys worth in on the Bruce V Whelan.
Fair play Whelan sets the budgets for the manager i.e cuts or increases expenditure.
But he does this because he has to not out of choice!
The same cannot be said for Bruce while he used that budget to sign the likes of Krappo , De Riddled, Won Chee No & Kingston Town while also having the advantage of seeing these mongs in action previously (maybe a little harsh on the Korean).
It has been for the past 3 seasons Martinez’s aim to get the likes of this crap off the books with their mega wages including a certain keeper who cant sit on a bench without getting fecking injured!
How is that Whelan’s fault? If the managers had of used the funds they had been given wisely we would of been in a better situation on their departure without the need to count our copper jar!
Undoutedly Bruce signed some whoppers but then again (as pointed out by the lightside at times in defence of Bobby), so does every manager – within his budget, Bobby has brought in Scotland, Boselli, Moreno, Thomas, Stojkovic, Sammon (I think the lad has some potential but I know he aint everybody’s cup of tea), that god awful defender who came with Diame, Lopez & that is just off the top of my head.
Admittedly not all are at the cost level of Bruce’s signings but if Bobby had used the funds he’s been given wisely then we’d be in a better position on their departure without the need to count our copper jar.
Also, when saying that Bruce should have spent his money wisely, even with the duffers you mentioned he had Latics challenging for Europe & I’ve no doubt would have got the club to its highest ever league finish. Again operating within the budget given to him
I don’t understand your comment that Whelan sets a budget coz “he has to & not out of choice” – every club operates on a budget from United, Chelsea & City to Barnet & Northampton. No club (not even those backed by oil billionaires) can spend an endless amount of cash no matter what it might look like. Just some clubs budgets are bigger than others. bruce operated under the budget given to him by Whelan & then that budget was altered downwards as Whelan had every right to do. If Bobby had been manager back in bruce’s reign then he would have spent just as much (to a varying degree of success no doubt), he spends less now because he has less to spend & that aint the fault of previous managers.
You also mention a keeper who can’t sit on a bench without getting injured. Maybe, but 1) he wasn’t signed by Bruce, 2) that keepers appearance record under Bruce was superb because Bruce was able to manage his training schedule & 3) that keepers performances under Steve Bruce were superb too – it was only under Bobby that both his performances & injury record suffered[/quote]Moreno and Stojkovic were loans so nothing lost.
And Hendry Thomas was technically Steve Bruce’s signing he was refused a work permit the first time around because he chose to play in the olympics instead of the Honduras pro national team if memory serves me correctly but the deal was pushed through anyway probably because he was recognised as the best honduras player out of him palacios and figs at the time and we wouldnt want to do a birmingham e.g. letting palacios go!! think he was Honduras captain too at the time.
So with Lopez and Sammon still in with a chance of coming good it does not leave you with many poor Martinez signings to back up your argument…
Oh yeah before I got sidetracked by Ye Olde Bent nose debate I came on to make a relevant point to the topic at hand!
I know it has not worked for us previously but would it be worth giving Jones the nod should Martinez depart for pastures new?
On the back of a good season surely if he maintains the same principals we would be okay?…
Let me throw my pennys worth in on the Bruce V Whelan.
Fair play Whelan sets the budgets for the manager i.e cuts or increases expenditure.
But he does this because he has to not out of choice!
The same cannot be said for Bruce while he used that budget to sign the likes of Krappo , De Riddled, Won Chee No & Kingston Town while also having the advantage of seeing these mongs in action previously (maybe a little harsh on the Korean).
It has been for the past 3 seasons Martinez’s aim to get the likes of this crap off the books with their mega wages including a certain keeper who cant sit on a bench without getting fecking injured!
How is that Whelan’s fault? If the managers had of used the funds they had been given wisely we would of been in a better situation on their departure without the need to count our copper jar!
Just moving away from the gags for a moment, has anyone noticed that you cant get a thin sliced loaf any more ? Its either medium or toastie ( Thick ) !
.. and actually have you compared the thickness of medium and thick? They’re the same :ohmy:[/quote]
Some brands are but some are definitely different ie Warburtons ![/quote]
Can second that Medium (blue) and Thick (orange) definatly have a noticable difference in thickness..
The green extra thick one is belting for a BLT on toast although I cant remember seeing it about for a while…[/quote]
BLT? Thought you were from Salford…or it is more Worsley? Posh get!What’s wrong with a bog standard bacon butty?[/quote]
Swinton to be exact so I’m inbetween the two…
Would never turn down a bit of bacon but the L and T compliments the B very well IMO… B)
Funny how the people who would begrudge him going to Liverpool are the same people who were calling for his head 6 months ago!!!!!!
I know it can be a bit frustrating hearing Whelan talking up players/managers that come good as if to put them in the shop window but surely this is one of our biggest attractions to young talented players that they can follow a similar route as the likes of Valencia without the club digging their heels in.
Look at the likes of Blackburn holding on to an unhappy Samba it didnt get them very far did it!!!
Anyway Dave Whelan is just being realistic maybe some on here should give it a try.
You look over to the bench and see Connor Sammon and Michael Owen sat there, who do you tell to warm up?
Connor Sammon shouldn’t even be on the bench in the first place he is quite simply not good enough so your closing statement is a poor comparison to be fair ![/quote]
Are you being deliberately thick, Phil? Clearly JRs inference is that Sammon is nowhere near the player that Owen is, and you agree with him, so it’s a fantastic comparison.[/quote]
My thoughts exactly but I couldnt be arsed getting into that one.
I can be arsed getting into this one though.. Jason Scotland over Sammon …. All that pinapple express is going to your head Filly and you’re losing your memory…
Sammon can at least push on against tiring defenders in the latter minutes of the game and looks like if he can sort his elephant first touch out he may score a few goals.. Scotland offered nothing in his time here whatsoever.
Released from Man Utd
We are all well aware of how desperate Dave Whelan has been in trying to sign him for about 8 years. He is in the twilight of his career and is the only thing we slightly lack for me. A six yard box striker, A poacher. A two year deal and relegation escape clause is very realistic now in my view. Especially as he more or less needs to stay local for his stables. Bolton and Blackburn going have paved the way for us to make a firm first move. Can’t see Whelan and Martinez idling on this one if they think something can be done. He would suit our style perfectly providing he can keep fit.
yosser,
did you desert the ‘never going again (until Whelan has spent some of his millions on players)’ brigade when things started to look up towards the back end of the season?[/quote]No big mouth, i still haven’t been. And he still needs to spend. If anything to let Martinez carry on what looks like he has maybe started. Sorry but no matter how good we have been for 2 or 3 months, nobody could envisage how 3 years of crap turned Barca style at the end. Not even the hardened fans. Yeah it looks good but it did at the end of last season too. Needs to be built on and money still needs to be spent. You can only do so much with the standard of (i’d say half) of the team.[/quote]
You expect Whelan to pour in millions when you cant even be arsed turning up :huh:
I’m not going to say that the “Barca” style football could of been predicted but I think the more level headed posters on here could see things slowly but surely improving.
And you cant really compare the back end of the 10/11 season to the 11/12 as 10/11 was in large parts due to Charles indivdual performances… I think its fair to say the whole team stepped up to a new level at the back end of this season.
