TyldesleyLatic

My own personal feelings here are that I would think more of Martinez if he just said “it hasn’t worked out for whatever reasons. time to move on”.
I do accept that its unrealistic to some extent of me to expect that & there are few if any managers about who do that but Bobby’s spin & untruths do grate on me now to the extent where if he told me it was raining I’d go outside to check
I like to think I only comment on Boselli if someone else first posts that “he may come good”, “Bobby says you don’t become a bad player overnight”, “he hasn’t been given a fair crack of the whip” – if I disagree with someone or someone says somet that I don’t think is true then I’ll comment.
Again its chicken & the egg but it is also Bobby who keeps bringing up that he may come good etc… so its only fair to expect people to comment

I was certain the quote I’d read regarding N’Zogbia needing rest had come from bobby but the only one I can find online is from Whelan & seems to be the quote I remember so I stand corrected :doh: :doh: :doh:

That said, I find the “BELIEVE” part of your post laughable to be honest – & by the way I can read & understand the word believe without it being put in capital letters!!
There’s one thing believing that Bobby or any manager is the right person for the job & he certainly proved myself & plenty of others wrong last season. But blindly believing every word that comes out of his mouth purely because “he says so” is to be frank bizarre & the stuff of sheeplike following.
Even the most dedicated of light siders can acknowledge that Bobby stretches the truth with many of his comments. For instance when talking about Boselli, Gomez, Scotland or others but point out that he is hardly gonna stand there in public & admit to making mistakes to protect his own image & to maintain the morale of the players concerned. Nevertheless even the most dedicated Bobby supporter has to acknowledge that it is bull, for whatever reasons, & to claim it isn’t is just plain wrong. which was my initial point – however badly I illustrated it!

With regards to the loan agreements with Genoa & Estudiantes.
For starters do you really think that Boselli would have uprooted himself & his family from Argentina if he wasn’t getting one hell of a pay rise???? So I doubt very much that their tea lady is on more than N’Zogbia was on.
In fact the salary structure of both clubs is irrelevant to how much money latcis receive if i understand loan deals correctly. If the club who are receiving the player on loan pay less then the club who hold the players registration pay the excess (& I would imagine thi sis the case with estudiantes). If the club who are receiving the player on loan pay more then the player receives it & the club who hold the players registration have just cleared someone’s salary from their books for a set amount of time
The only thing a club receives for loaning a player is a loan fee. I don’t know what these loan fees have been (although they are normally relatively small amounts in comparison to the players alleged worth) but just coz Bobby says they haven’t lost anything doesn’t mean they haven’t. To use an example of other lightsiders he’s hardly going to stand there in a Q&A session & say “Yep its cost us a fortune to bring him here & then ship him out” in order not to protect his own image

If he comes back a great player & does the business for us then Bobby will be hailed as a genius & rightly so. If he comes back & is a dud again or never comes back, whilst not vilifying him (all managers make mistakes) then he deserves some criticism especially in light of the circumstances surrounding his signing

I take everything Bobby says publicly with a huge pinch of salt particularly in these Q&A sessions with the fans
Quite alot of what he comes out with in them is bull & contradicts what he’s said previously. he has genuine reasons for doing so which have been pointed out to me previously on here & I can see the point in that but talk bull he definitley does
Away from the Q&A sessions does the recent “N’Zogbia isn’t coming to Austria not coz a deal is being struck but coz he needs the rest” ring any bells??? It was obviously bull as soon as it came out of his mouth & it was proved to be just days later – he had his reasons but it was bull nonetheless

I agree with Standish it that its unrealistic to expect him to say that Boselli isn’t good enough especially when you consider he’s trying to get as much as possible back for him as the club forked out. Although that in turn quite clearly makes out anything he says about him needing to adapt etc.. as bull – I mean what better way is there for someone to adapt to the English game than sending them on loan to Italy & Argentina????

So have Latics not lost any money on Boselli to date?? Alot would depend on how the £6.5mill deal with Estudiantes was structured but i would be amazed if the 2 loan fees from Genoa & Estudiantes match what has been forked out by Latics & will Estudiantes be paying all of Boselli’s increased wages too??

Standish – I’m also positive that the club would not have wanted to release a kit so late in the day.
There are no doubt a few factors that may have contributed such as change in sponsor & Latics being involved in a relegation battle & a new kit to boot but their are other clubs who were in similar situations & yet its only Latics who have wound up in this position

Its a poor show from the club whether they intended it or not

It was good when vandanel were making the kits coz i got my first daughter a few bits & bobs.
When i went in the club shop in the galleries a couple of months ago all that was there were a few t-shirts & some old vandanel stock

Although I can see the argument that can be used that maybe vandanel went bust coz they produced alot of merchandise that nobody wanted

The adult stuff seems to have improved alot recently though & whilst I didn’t buy any there were a few bits & bobs that looked alreet

The club really should hang its head abit though by only being able to release a new kit for sale a month into the season especially when that kit will be obselete 8 months after you can buy it

Bobby boobed big time with this signing – he knows it & we know it

However he isn’t the first manager to spend big money on a dud & he won’t be the last, although he isn’t helped in this particular case by the disagreement that ensued with Benson over him. nor does he help himself with the “he still may come good for latics” quotes that he keeps comign out with – like I said it hasn’t worked out, chalk it down to experience & move on

Just one other point though, it is actually wrong of Bobby to say “he’s scored goals wherever he’s been & you don’t become a bad player overnight” – his career stats show that he hasn’t really scored goals wherever he’s been (not many of them anyway). somet like 5 goals in 35 games in the Spanish 2nd division one season & a similar return (if not less) at Boca Juniors. He had a half decent return for Estudiantes one season (10 in 25ish) & a really good season before Latics swooped.
As is often said on here – don’t let the facts get in the way of a good argument!!!! ;)

Its alright as football shirts go I guess although i do prefer Latics to be in stripes

In actual fact it reminds me pretty much of the kit that Latics wore when I started to watch em full-time in 1989 (although that didn’t have the white bits down the side)

Just one other thing though – released on September 7th?????? That’s pretty incompetent timing even by Latics admin standards

Lostock
In every way imaginable Aston Villa is a massive step up from Wigan Athletic

That said I do think that he is capable of playing for a better team but as Griff says if the indications to his agent were that only Villa were prepared to pay anything approcahing the £10mill the club wanted & the wages he wanted (& you can bet his agent has been on the phone to virtually every top flight club in Europe) then he really doesn’t have a great deal of choice