TyldesleyLatic

My original post did not say that his behaviour wasn’t against the rules of entry to a football stadia. My original post was arguing against the “he’s a role model & should set an example”.
My second post (I think) mentioned the rules of entry to a stadium but did not say Rooney swearing wasn’t against those rules. I said I hope that none of those having a go at Rooney about what he did last Saturday use foul & abusive language in a football stadium coz that is as much against the rules of entry to a ground as Rooney’s language after scoring was against the laws of football – meaning that they were both against the rules/laws but it happens all the time & nowt is done about it

The reason I used the school meals in one of my posts was that I remember watching Jamie’s School Meals once (can’t stand the man but I work on the estates side of schools including school meals so it was job research!!) & he had parents in being interviewed screaming blue murder about the rubbish the school was serving. In a separate room he had their children & he asked what they’d had for tea last night & every single one of them had eaten some form of junk/fast/takeaway food.
Its hypocritical in my eyes & is directly relatable (in my opinion anyway) to someone agereeing that Rooney should have the book thrown at him for last week when they sit in football grounds every week & use the same language. If you want a football comparison then go back a few years to when a load fo Everton fans complained Roy Keane had told them to f off after scoring for United at Goodison and used the “it was the family stand as well” to back up their argument as to how outrageous it was. The only problem was that all the papers had printed Keane’s celebration & virtually to a man every adult in the stand was giving either a 1 or 2 fingered salute to Keane & what they appeared to be in the middle of mouthing didn’t look too savoury either

Back to being a role model, we’ll have to agree to differ on that one. There are plenty of people in the public eye who hold themselves up as role models – footballers aren’t in that group in my eyes & never will be unless of course they directly state it. If their behaviour starts to go against what their sponsors or club want portrayed then they can cancel contracts

“so if I choose to go to a game I accept it’s part of the experience and the risk my son will experience it. He has heard it all, but knows it’s wrong and knows how he is expected to behave.” – I might be wilfully misreading this statement but to me it kind of negates all of your arguments against what Rooney did. If you know swearing & such like is part of what goes on in & around a football stadium then surely you acknowledge that its part & parcel of playing the game that emotions run high & players will swear – people know its wrong & that’s not how they should behave so where’s the problem??

I guess though it comes down to somebody deciding who is & isn’t a role model & off their own judgement of that (not the “role model” themselves deciding it) making a further decision that their behaviour should be better than the thousands of other people in that football stadium
I don’t (& never will) see any reason why Mr X should be expected to behave any better than Mr Y simply because Mr X is famous

Standish

As far as I am aware the law about booking a player for removing their shirt after scoring a goal is because it can be deemed provocative. Either to opposition supporters/players or getting supporters of the team who have just scored too excited (ooo er!!!)
Personally I think its a farcical law although its not one I’ve ever had to implement yet when I’ve been reffing

Hopefully that clears up that in relation to swearing into a camera as the 2 aren’t really linked

The problem with the laws as they stand is that using foul & abusive language is technically a red card offence but the FA ask ref’s to use their judgement. You will not find a football game anywhere in Britain where the players don’t use foul and abusive language either at themselves, their team mates or the opposition but we get told to ignore most of it (or have a word if we feel its getting out of hand) unless its a foul mouth tirade directed towards us. Even a “f**kin hell ref” is generally not considered to be somet to pull them up on unless it becomes persistent
If I was getting assessed & a player scored, swore at somebody in a release of frustration & i sent him off I would get asked afterwards what the hell I was doing.

At most what Rooney did should be a fine for bringing the game into disrepute (as it was live on TV & he knew there was a very good chance that the millions watchign would see & hear it) but a 2 game ban??? Its ridiculous & as you say its a case of Rooney having become a pantomine villain & if it had been any other player on the pitch that day then it’d have been forgotten about as soon as they apologised

With regards to supporters such as yourself swearing – I didn’t ask whether anybody did it deliberately but people do it, even the most mild mannered. People who have sat & stood round me over the years at games probably won’t believe me but i don’t deliberately swear – but football is a passionate game & in the heat of the moment it comes out & if I remember I do try & apologise to anyone it might have offended
You say that you immediately apologise if you swear at a game. That is basically what Rooney did (or someone at the club did on his behalf) – if after swearing & apologising, the police came & tapped you on teh shoulder & arrested you for using foul & abusive language likely to cause a breach of the peace I imagine that you’d be complaining about the injustice of it all & probably rightly so

This is one argument that always gets my goat.

Professional footballers, no matter how highly paid they may be, are paid to play football. They are not paid to be any sort of role model to anyone & neither should they be

I hope everyone getting on their soapbox about Rooney’s outburst at the weekend never swears within a football ground when there are kids, women & others about who might be offended by it. That’s as against the rules of entry to a football ground as Rooney’s outburst was against the laws of association football

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Standish it doesn’t stand to reason because as you yourself admit just matching or having one more midfielder on the park than the opposition doesn’t guarantee that you will dominate the midfield. You’ve tried to reason it but admitted it doesn’t work
If that’s all that was required to dominate the midfield then that would be the only tactic managers would employ and as can be seen all over the world midfields with one less player can & do dominate games

By the way I am not saying what formation Bobby should or shouldn’t play – IMO it should be the best formation to suit the group of players that he has at his disposal. Not rigidly sticking to one formation or another & thereby forcing players into roles for which they are not suited

It doesn’t stand to reason at all

I’ve seen plenty of teams over the years come up against other teams that have different formations which have meant that they are a man down or lightweight in midfield – 4-3-3 formations up against 4-4-2’s & 4-4-2 formations up against 4-5-1’s or other different scenarios.
It by no means always makes for games in which the team who are a man lighter get dominated in midfield.

Using your argument it also then stands to reason that forward lines that have 2 players in cause more problems for defences than forward lines with 1 player in.

It doesn’t work like that coz the game is dependant on too many varuables & as I tried to point out in my original post I don’t think you can slate someone who says stick 2 up front & we’ll score more coz “it doesn’t guarantee you will score more” and then go on to say “but playing with 4 in midfield would mean the midfield would get overrun”

From my knowledge Owen Coyle has never stated an actual fee.
When he first signed on loan Coyle said that it wouldn’t lead to a permanent deal

In October Coyle said that “The only way they can keep him for good is by paying our club a large transfer fee – if indeed that’s acceptable to us.”

In December Coyle said that “If a bid comes in we’ll sit down with Ali and his advisors and look at it. We can’t really talk about it until it happens”

I don’t ever recall him saying that “Al Habsi will cost a team between £3-£5mill” although I am more than prepared to accept I missed it being reported. Its not something I’d expect to hear a manager say either coz the bidding club are obviously going to come in at the lowest price

Whether Whelan would pay a transfer fee for Al Habsi I don’t know without knowing what that fee would be & to be honest neither do you

As for Bobby showing no interest in signing him. When we’re fighting relegation, have very little budget to play around with & have the guy contracted with us until the end of the season I’d say that it makes very good business sense not to splash out millions on a transfer fee & committ to 3 or more years of a contract & premier league wages when there’s every chance that next season the budget will be slashed if we go down.

As for what Kirkland cost Latics, I can’t find any record of a fee being mentioned on line although I’m sure I remember figures of more than £2mill being mentioned when he joined permanently

Then be unsure no more Griff coz some bloke down the pub told me that it was true

end of debate

From my point of view, how Ferdinand feels about the decision does not matter one jot to me

I do however think that the way Capello has handled the situation shows very, very poor man management skills