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Latics mon me, allways have been and allways will be but I dont mind this modern abbreviated tics thing either.
Oldham are Latics as well so personally I don’t mind being a tic, gives us a different identity to our frozen friends up the road.[/quote]
I hate being referred to as ‘Tics. It’s Latics always has been & always will be, but I guess this is the modern way of shortening everything such as United supporters calling their ground OT or Liverpool fans & Stevie G or Chelsea & Lamps.
Its harmless but it gets on my wazza & personally I’ll always use Latics
Ill tell you what’s wrong with Mr Stones’s remarks, thier buying a club who went to both major Cup Finals and a budgies nad off winning one back to back.A very well run club unlike some just ask Sunderland. A club that wont cost the earth with an excellent stadium but Mr Stones highlights crowds of 10k ?.
50k+ a week home crowds hasn’t won Newcastle anything bar the Championship.If I were shopping for a budget club with years of experience at been in the Prem, an excellent stadium – training already in place and 1 tier off the big boys then Wigan would be right up there.
You should take time to read what thier worth the takeover gang, it makes interesting reading, a 50million investment would be like me doing a big shop at Asda.
But again our fan base size gets attacked. Without investment we would float around Div1 for the foreseeable future so for me im all up for it.
Lets not forget how and and were we started on this journey and if we ended up back were we started i’ll look at the roller coaster ride with fondness not the crowd size….
Did he mention Saturdays amazing away following taking half our home attendance ? No because it doesn’t make good readingYou make a good argument Cup Winners and I can see that side of it too but I still see nothing wrong with what he’s written as he makes valid points too – all of them.
In every takeover there are going to be arguments for both sides & he is just putting forward one of them, & as i said he’s not said anything that plenty of other Latics mons & monesses have already said.I think what seems to be riling people is that he’s mentioned our crowds. My opinion of that is so what? Its a fact. They are what they are & plenty of Latics people complain about them. I think its also a fact that if crowds stay around that level (and with the relatively low prices that Latics will charge to get in compared with other Championship clubs) then our budget will be low compared to others in the division so it will be difficult (but not impossible) to compete at that level & you (Cup Winners) say so yourself “Without investment we would float around Div1 for the foreseeable future so for me im all up for it”.
PNE & Millwall will also find it difficult (some seasons more so than others). Bournemouth would not have got out (or even into) the Championship without spending the money of their Russian billionaireFor me all this BBC guy is saying is that Latics would struggle in the Championship without outside investment so in that sense its welcome but that there is a cautionary note as we don’t know a great deal about them or what their aims are. Oh & we only get 10k crowds!! ;)
Its not always all about the money. A good Manager with half decent players with a good team spirit goes along way.
There much larger clubs than us whose owners have thrown many millions more at their club than we have and have acheived far far less,
This Paul Cook era reminds me so much of when Paul Jewell was here, and he didn’t do too bad with limited resources.I know it isn’t all about the money but you need both it & someone who knows the right players to bring in.
Last time we had Jewell who knew the right players buts let not kid ourselves, we were big spenders on transfer fees for the time. £3mill for the Duke, big money for Roberts, plus plenty of othersThere is no reason at all why Latics can not survive in the championship.
Barnsley, Millwall,Burton spring to mind.
I cannot understand the negativity of some of our fans on this subject.
Wigan is a big enough town to be able to have at least a team capable of
being mid table in the Championship.Oh, and we are not the Tics we are the Latics.
Is that the same Barnsley & Burton who were relegated from the Championship on Sunday after only 2 seasons?????
As I said Millwall could be a 1 season wonder at that level. Might not be. At this moment we don’t know but they too will find things difficult next season.
Wigan as a Town isn’t very big. The borough is, but half of that hates WiganIt’s not negativity from me it’s realism. Last time we went up a load of Latics fans got carried away & thought we’d be top half and or playoffs and it was a struggle
I know we have a different manager and some different players but it is still going to be very difficult unless outside money comes in
The journalist isn’t having a dig he’s just being realistic and I see nowt wrong with thatSorry, but I’ll have to pretty much agree with everything that Simon Stone says:
1) Its true that ownership may soon be in the hands of a group of Hong Kong businessmen that few Latics supporters & most outside have a clue about
2) We are a provincial club driven to great heights by Whelan’s investment
3) There is a worry, expressed by many on here, other sites, facebook, twitter & at games that this could be one of those deals that goes horribly wrong
4) As with point 3 there are many asking what is in it for the potential buyers. We spent 8 years in the top flight & made a small profit in 1 (possibly 2) season & that was when the club was only spending what it was getting in. or trying to. Yes Whelan’s businesses got exposure but he lost far more than he put in & its likely to be the same for these possible new fellas
5) Every club in the Championship, other than whoever comes up in the play offs, will have a bigger budget than Latics next season unless a significant amount of money is pumped in – that in itself will make it difficult for us to compete at that level. Not impossible as the likes of PNE & Millwall have shown (although the latter could well be one season wonders – who knows??) but very difficult nonetheless
6) Likewise with 3 clubs coming down having over £50mill extra income, along with the funds that many others have means getting back into the top flight without outside investment is going to be almost impossible. It will (IMO) certainly need more than some “reasonable investmentSo, I don’t have a problem with anything he says & I think those that do are possibly being a little too sensitive
I remember Freddie Pye being interviewed on TV after we’d signed Eamonn O’Keefe from Everton for an easily then club record fee of £65,000 (about £250k in today’s money).He said something along the lines of “Larry (Lloyd) came to me and said get me Eamonn and he’ll get us up”, which he did of course. When asked if the club could afford that kind of outlay he said, “well, we don’t run a football club like you would run a business”.
Prophetic words indeed from 36 years ago which resonate in today’s football world where clubs still spend money well beyond their means.
Freddie Pye was before my time at a Latic but coincidentally he is mentioned several times in a book that I once read about the Manchester gangster firms. Or more specifically his scrap yard off Mort Lane in Tyldesley is mentioned as a site where people were taken to have done to them what gangsters do to people who have wronged them or need making an example of :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy:
For all his faults, Kenyon wasn’t that bad.And let’s dispel the myth. He wasn’t going to move the club to Skem. It was Checquer Lane in Upholland that was considered, where the football pitches are. Also, Swinton and Warrington were both mentioned. But never actually Skem. Even as a kid, from Skem, I didn’t want us to move.
Not that bad???? When Stephen Gage took over he went through the books and there was a huge amount “missing” – I forget the exact amount but I seem to remember somewhere between £100,000 & £300,000 which for us at the time (when the club couldn’t afford to buy paper for the fax machine) was an enormous amount.
Gage started legal proceedings against Kenyon & Kenyon said that it was an odd move as it came at a time when he said supporters were asking him to come back (The Latic Fanatic did a front page cover of 1 old bloke sat on a bench under the banner “Latics fans queue up outside the ‘We Want Kenyon Back’ meeting).
Kenyon paid out of court eventually which I think tells you everything you need to know about what he was doing at the clubEllis Short will have lost Hundreds of millions during his tenure – enough to fill a ship full of war chests. The last published accounts showed a debt of £130m, of which around £60m was to him. This last year has been one of austerity, so a fair amount of the debt will have been reduced. Pickford went for £30m, but only £1.5m was made available for player purchase – most of which went on James Vaughan, before he was flogged to Wigan for the same amount. There will be little difficulty attracting the cream of that standard to Sunderland, because its the only chance some of these players will have to play in front of 20,000+ crowds on a regular basis – same with whoever comes to manage.I doubt the likes of Scunthorpe, Southend, Walsall, Oldham, Gillingham, Charlton, Plymouth are going to turn down the opportunity to have that end behind the goal full instead of the handful of supporters they generally accommodate – 3rd tier depends on attendances, and the difference between 400 paying £25 and 4000 paying £25 means a great deal to the home side’s finances.
Enjoy the championship next season – with or without Cook.
Mutty – you’re getting as bit arrogant with comments like this & “they’ll never have seen away support like it”
As someone else has pointed out – yes they will. All of them will have. take Fleetwood – you’ll get an allocation of 1800 same as everybody else. No doubt your club will sell it out but so have plenty of clubs including little ol’ Latics. Twice. Every club will have seen their away ends sold out. Its not a new phenomenon exclusive to when the Mackems are in town
If you want more tickets you won’t get em – simple as really. All the other stands will have home ticket holders in them including season ticket holders & the home clubs won’t move them to accomodate the Sunderland Massive as their own supporters will kick off & in many cases they won’t have the segragation to be able to do it anyway. Just like Latics could have sold an end & side stand everytime United visited & still fitted the Wigan regulars in the other 2 stand (or thereabouts) but they didn’tPeople need to stop getting their knickers in a twist.
Exactly the same thing happened in 1997 – in fact it was worse. Promotion sealed on the Tuesday followed by a really insipid display away at Brighton on the Saturday where they lost 1-0. Didn’t cost us ultimately but I’ve always felt slightly guilty towards Hereford ever since.
Could have been the result of getting leathered after being promoted or it could have been a psychological “job done” scenario which gave em a kick up the backside & was followed by 2 wins.
Same might happen this time too
So which one was the best?For me, Jewell’s team. Simply because the core of that squad was the same one that took us up two years later and very nearly managed it back-to-back. This years side will smash several of the records that Jewell’s side set but I think the standard was also slightly better back then with 5 or 6 genuine contenders.
IF this team can compete in the Championship then they may just edge it going forward. Trying to pick a team between the 2 squads would be interesting.
2002-2003 for me by a country mile I think coz it was the first one & we’d never played at the Championship level before.
In terms of quality of the individual players again I’d have to go for 2002-2003 as it contained so many players who would then go on to be successful top flight players or prove they still had “it” even in their twilight years – Filan, Jackson, McCulloch, Teale, Bullard & Baines not to mention players who were able to compete at the top of the Championship/Div 1 for the next 2 seasons Eaden, Breckin & JarrettI can’t see any of the current lot with the exception of Morsy, Burn & Walton being able to reach the same heights – and that’s no disrespect to the current players. Just my personal opinion that they aren’t as good & neither is the division.
Which brings me on to the point you make Egg that there were 5 or 6 genuine contenders – No there wasn’t. It was us & Crewe for most of the season & then we pulled away, finishing 14 points clear of them. The others didn’t finish that far behind Crewe in the end but none of them ever looked like threatening us
Which kind of goes against my point that the division was better in 2002-2003!!
I haven’t heard or seen anything that indicated they went on to taunt the Swansea fans, or that they verbally abused the Swansea players as they left the pitch.Possibly not but they set off flares which are illegal to take into a football stadium as well as being dangerous to those near them
Isn’t it the case where you can’t receive a trophy on an opponents ground?
United did at the DW[/quote]
as i said ;)
remember the game well, I could have sold my season ticket outside to a manc for £150
with only one game left on it. The game had no bearing on us, but being a true supporter I decided to watch the game only for Steve Bennett to take centre stage. Remember all the mancs breaking in at the end in the west stand as well to celebrate![/quote]You can receive it an an opponents ground.
The Premier & Football League’s prefer it to be on the “home” ground but if it’s only decided on the last day of the season (as that United game was) then there’s not much they can do about it – if United had won the league that day but had a home game the week after then it would have been presented at that next gameOh & the United fans didn’t need to break in – Latics fans had started leaving the ground at the final whistle so the exit doors were open.
As I left some were trying to kick a turnstile door in so to save damage to our beloved home I pointed out that if they saved their energy there were some double doors open about 5 metres awayTilders, if the referee was ready to start the 2nd half and we obviously were could he have allowed us to go up field and score?. Is there any precedences that have been set. Is it simply down to playing the game in the correct spirit. What action could he have taken against Oxford for delaying the game.Yes he could have allowed us to score but in a tight game with promotion & relegation at stake he’d have just caused a whole heap of trouble for himself – there precedents for allowing the kick off when one team is titting about such as the Latics one i mentioned. Not sure if it’s ever led to goals though
The ref could have cautioned the captain for delaying the restart of playApparently the chairman and Barton are very close. He wanted him before he got banned. At least Barton won’t be on talk sport as much talking shyte
Did they meet in jail?[/quote]
I like it!!
I know there’s a ref that posts on here sometimes. I’m curious to know if the laws of the game would have meant that the ref was in his rights to let us carry on? He’d already told Oxford to line up but they carried on faffing around.Yes, the ref would have been in his rights to let Latics carry on although to be honest from a match management point of view he did the best thing.
I don’t know if anyone remembers but when we played Wrexham in the Auto Windscreens Northern Final in 1999 at the Racecourse Ground, Simon Haworth scored down at their end & then ran all the way back up the pitch to the away end (accompanied by all the players). The ref in that game let Wrexham take the kick off & for play to continue – you can see the moment on the season highlights dvd/video when the players realise that they’ve kicked off
