TyldesleyLatic

“can know one on here see that its the backroom staff who the bloody hell will take any notice of graham barrow / graham jones”

I think I posted this on another thread yesterday but for me blaming the backroom staff or saying Bobby needs to bring in an assistant experienced in the top flight is at best trying to shift the blame & at worst being completely blind to the real problem

The backroom staff are men that Roberto Martinez said to Dave Whelan that he needed. The ones he brought from Swansea like Jones, the goalkeeping coach & scout actually cost Latics a hell of alot of money & Bobby insisted they come with him before he agreed to take charge.
Once in charge Bobby decided he needed someone else & told Dave Whelan to bring in, as coach, a manager he sacked (for not being good enough) a decade and a half ago.
So for starters these people are here because Martinez has told Dave Whelan that they are the best people for the job. If people are now saying they are the cause of the problem then why on earth isn’t Martinez getting the blame for putting them in their positions in the first place???

Secondly, these people are Martinez’s understudies – he meets with them & tells them what he wants Latics players to do & how he wants them to do it.
So to me they are either carrying out his instructions to the letter & that’s the cause of the problem or they aren’t doing as he asks them & Bobby fails to see it
Either way the cause of the problem (if indeed you believe there is a problem) is for the most part Roberto Martinez

I’m sick & tired of hearing people making excuses for him or shifting the blame on to somebody else just coz he’s a nice bloke & a bit of a Latics legend from his playing days

“I just asked for the difference between the above three identical scenarios”

The only problem with that being is that they are not identical scenarios. In fact they’re nowhere near identical – which was the point I was making

Bloody hell Saredt – every goal Latics score is a high to me but when I hear our manager say “now is the time to look back on a season of many highs” I’m not expecting him to be referring to every goal his team have scored
I’m expecting him to be referring to real out of the ordinary things like the victories against Arsenal, Chelsea & Liverpool not defeats to Hull & Wolves, or goals scored in games that we drew or lost in, or run of the mill victories against fellow relegation strugglers

Like I said you set your criteria a hell of alot lower than that & if I used those same criteria to bring up lows I’d be mentioning Keogh’s goal for Wolves, a 1-0 home defeat to Wolves, Rooney’s 2 goals for United, berbatov’s goal for United, Owen’s goal for United, Nani’s goal for United, a 2nd half collapse against United, a 5-0 defeat against United, Demontagnac’s goal for Blackpool, Burgess’s goal for Blackpool, Adam’s goal for Blackpool, Taylor-Fletcher’s goal for Blackpool, gettign beat 4-1 by a team from a lower division, going out of the carling cup at the first hurdle to a lower league side etc… – All these & I’m only 4 games into the season!!!! ;)

“Unfortunately, with maybe a couple of exceptions, Bobby’s record of trying to strengthen the squad, thus far, has fallen woefully short of the mark”

Oh I don’t know. maybe over the summer he’ll buy a couple more players from Swansea tell us how great & capable of playing in the top flight they are & then several months later when they’ve proved to be total pig swill he’ll tell us he never wanted to play them so soon & he was let down by putting his faith in the crap that is already here
Or maybe he’ll sign yet more players he doesn’t think are ready quite yet to play top flight football but who he hopes will be several months down the light & fingers crossed the crap we’ve got here already will carry us through till that time
or maybe he’ll sign someone on loan from a “big 4” club, never play him & then state he wants them back next season too

Yes, its the fault of the men who were both appointed & told what to do by Roberto Martinez rather than Roberto Martinez himself

“They’ve had some good possession but are guilty of trying to over-play it. Correct that, they are over-playing it”

“It would be far too easy to blame the red card for this scoreline. To collapse in the way that they have done in this second half, and have done in alot of other games this season, shows that there is something fundamentally wrong”

Both of those comments were made by Andy Gray yesterday and sum up just 2 of the problems that are glaringly obvious at Latics & have been there throughout the season – Yet I’m still hearing Latics fans saying give Bobby time, he’s still learning, he’s the right man for the job & we beat 3 of the “big 4” so it show’s he’s on the right track

That last one in particular is getting more irritating every time its mentioned. Lets forget getting thumped by Blackpool, 5-0 to United, 5-0 to United 4-0 to Arsenal, 4-0 to Portsmouth, 9-1 to Spurs, 2-0 to a bottom division side at home in the FA Cup, 4-0 to Bolton, 8-0 to Chelsea, losing at home to Wolves, not being able to score at home against Portsmouth’s reserve/youth side, being unable to beat Hull City home or away, collapsing at home to Birmingham and collapsing in the last 10 minutes at home to Spurs
These games have taken place pretty much from the start of the season to the last & for all Bobby’s talk of “learning curves” (didn’t you just know that one would get trotted out yesterday??), that the man himself is learning absolutely nothing.
For all those clinging to the Chelsea, Arsenal & Liverpool games. As enjoyable as they were – the Arsenal game was a freak result after 80 minutes of football as turgid as the rest of the season, Liverpool lost 11 league games this season only scored as many away goals as Latics & 1 more than Burnley and finished 7th (Latics have beaten teams who have finished 7th before) & Latics wound up playing against 10 & then 9 men in the Chelsea victory

There is only one direction that Latics are heading under Martinez & it sure as hell isn’t towards challenging for Europe

“A punter phoned and told him the reason was because of `to55ers` like him who choose to support ManUre instead of their home town team”

To be fair, he was born & raised in Leigh so doesn’t really have a home team as such sitting as it does in the middle(ish) of Wigan, Bolton & Manchester & when he was a nipper Latics were non-league

As for people I could happily punch in the face:
Cristiano Ronaldo
Maurice Lindsay

“The big myth here is that EVERY Man U fan is from outside Manchester”

The thing is though that everybody buys into it. I’ve spent alot of time working in Manchester over the years & the vast majority of match going football fans from Manchester you meet are Reds.
United also have almost total support from areas that many others class as Manchester (e.g. Salford, Trafford) but fall outside of the city of manchester boundaries

I remember when United beat Inter Milan in 1999 on their way to winning the European Cup some City fan I was working with banging on the next morning that all the “Yeovil, London, Yorkshire etc.. Reds” flags meant only City could consider to be Manchester clubs. He couldn’t answer how that was so when the Supporters Club page in City’s programme when we’d played em a couple of weeks before had a list of 60 odd branches & over three quarters of em were from outside Greater Manchester

I should probably also point out that I now work in Liverpool & whilst on a midweek matchday you’ll see loads of coaches from all over the country making their way along Queens Drive to Anfield, & even though I’ve been in pubs round Anfield when Latics have played them & not heard a single scouse accent, that the vast majority of match going scousers I work with are Liverpool fans. There’s one who watches Everton
In my experience that puts to bed the all scousers support Everton myth too