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Jumping at an opponent is a foul!
If a player jumps at an opponent, the referee must consider how it was done. Whether the player gets the ball is not a consideration. If it was done;
carelessly, then a free kick shall be awarded and no further sanction is required
recklessly, then the player shall be cautioned
with excessive force, then the player shall be sent off.The referee had to choose between careless, reckless and with excessive force. Yesterday, he chose with excessive force. I don’t see any grounds for appeal.
The ball is on the ground – but his foot is clearly in the air.
The players know how referees interpret the rule.
And the rule doesn’t handicap Wigan – it works both ways.
I am not sure what planet some of you live on but on planet earth that was never a red card.Anyone unsure of that can check the replay on the football league show on bbc iplayer clearly showing Mcmanman winning the ball with next to no contact on the player whatsoever.
Surely we had this debate last season! Times have changed – the question isn’t whether he got the ball cleanly or not.
The question now is – Did the referee think that he put the other player at risk of injury? In this case, his foot was in mid air and the referee thought that he did. And there are other referees who would reach the same conclusion.
He got away with a tackle at Barnsley and, if he doesn’t learn from this incident, he is going to land in hot water. Martinez knew that he was a temperamental player, and handled him with kid gloves. Coyle will have to learn how to get the best out of him.
thing with refs is we can expect this very often ,have a feeling the FA and prem dont want little wigan back to the big league and dont want whelan putting his nose in
so corrupt its unbeleivable
yesterday stuck out like a sore thumbIs this the same wicked organisation that gave Wigan such a favourable draw leading up to the FA Cup Final and then let them take the trophy home too?
But you’re probably right; they won’t ever make it so simple again.
The standard of football reporting in the press is, for the most part, abysmal.
Not at all like the posts we get here!
There won’t be many chances to see it.
Against Millwall – instead of the red.
And perhaps at Ipswich and Leicester.
“Fraser Fyvie is trying to pull the Scots back into this one. The Wigan midfielder ensures his team keep the ball while under some pressure and tries to launch a counter. England manage to deal with the danger.”
“A long diagonal ball finds Nathan Redmond, whose movement is impeccable. The Norwich man keeps his cool and knocks the ball in. He makes it 1-0 England with a very impressive finish.”
Perhaps that is why Norwich were prepared to sell Holt.
The 10 LOSERS of the UEFA Champions League Qualifying Play-Off Round go into the Europa League draw too. Some more attractive teams here.
Shakhtyor Karaganda V Celtic
Lyon V Real Sociedad
Pacos Ferreira V Zenit St Petersburg
Plzen V NK Maribor
PSV Eindhoven V AC Milan
Dinamo Zagreb V Austria Vienna
Fenerbahce V Arsenal
Ludogorets Razgrad V FC Basel
Schalke 04 V Paok Salonika
Steaua Bucharest V Legia WarsawFor the second time this season, Wigan are favourites to win an away game!
I’m hoping that we may see two forwards play this season – say Holt and Fortune – especially in home games.
We’ve got a lot of midfield players to choose from. I’m not sure that Coyle will have a regular midfield – he could adapt it to each game.
With a big centre forward like Holt, it makes sense to play a winger. But I’m surprised that McClean was put straight into the first team – and for such a big game. I’m also surprised that he was picked ahead of McManaman.
The Wembley line-up would be a defensive formation;
Holt Maloney
McClean Watson McCarthy McArthurThis could be an attacking formation;
McManaman/McClean Holt Fortune
Maloney McCarthy McArthurBut there are many other possible permutations using Gomez, McCann, Espinoza and even Fyvie.
Grant up on his own was probably correct for Wembley. The link with midfield was Maloney, who I thought had a quiet game.
In the Championship, we can probably commit more men forward – perhaps Holt and Fortune together.
We have a big choice in midfield. Perhaps Watson, McArthur, McCarthy and Maloney would give a balance between attack and defence. But we also have two wingers – McManaman and McClean – to choose from as well as Gomez, Espinoza and McCann. Fyvie may well be ready to step up to the Championship, but he may find his opportunities limited.
Perhaps Coyle will play with a winger, as he did at Wembley. If McManaman plays, would McClean be one of the substitutes? Would he come on in place of McManaman, or might he come on as a second winger? Playing two wingers seems unlikely.
Perhaps Coyle will rotate the midfield. Perhaps he will play a more attacking formation at home. We shall have to wait and see.
I’m assuming that we’ll play a conventional back four.
If you are a man of firm principles, then you won’t last long in football as a player, a manager or a fan. One team’s hero is another team’s villain. And you have to accept that selfish behaviour is an element of the game.
Wigan sign players – and managers – from lower teams. In turn, their best staff are poached by bigger teams. Contracts are broken with increasing frequency – between clubs and managers, between clubs and players.
I think Martinez was on a rolling contract – either side would have to give notice to end the contract. He may well have told Whelan some time ago that he was ready to move on. He did at least persevere to the end of the season. Coyle, of course, was at a loose end.
I am looking forward to a reasonably successful season. On the evidence so far, I think we are capable of finishing in the top six. It would be more exciting if a local rival – Blackpool, Blackburn, Burnley or Bolton – could put up a good challenge.
But we’ve now got a manager who walked out on Burnley and left them to their fate.
He survived one season with Wanderers but went down the next.
What do you wish for him this season?
Yes, I saw your earlier comments. But I wouldn’t draw any great conclusions from the game about either McClean or Coyle.
United fans could find it frustrating watching Zaha as he reveals all his trickery – again and again.
I think that Wigan look reasonably well-equipped for the battles ahead. And I do like watching wingers!
I thought the back four played well for such a new unit. They won’t face players like van Persie very often.
It’s going to take some time to build teamwork with the midfield and forwards, especially with new boys there too. With a big centre forward like Holt, there’s always the temptation to boot it towards him, although he was always going to have a difficult afternoon against Vidic.
Play must not become predictable, so long balls should be an option. But the old Wigan could play terrific long diagonal passes, usually to the wing backs. The first half against Newcastle last season was a fabulous example of mixing long and short balls.
I was surprised to see McClean picked in the starting eleven and, understandably, he found it hard to fit into the play. Passes went out to the wing, but he wasn’t there, and he lost control when he was there. His free kicks were very disappointing too.
But he only signed on Tuesday, so I’m not going to make any judgement yet. And he certainly caused problems against Wigan last season. But I can’t see how he can play with McManaman. They both need to gain experience this year, and I would say that it’s a straight choice between them.
Let’s try to go a little further with tactics.
I don’t know what approach Coyle will take to the Community Shield. And it’s difficult to predict the Manchester United team. But Wigan are likely to come under considerable pressure, and I assume Coyle will want to avoid an embarrassingly heavy defeat.
Saturday’s team could be re-arranged to put a greater emphasis on defence;
Watson protecting a back four;
a midfield trio;
Maloney providing a link to centre forward Holt.Carson
Boyce Perch Barnett Crainey
Watson
McArthur McCarthy Beausejour
Maloney
HoltWe have lost four of the eleven who started the Cup Fina, and the defence is still learning to play together. We can field a familiar midfield, and hold Gomez, McManaman, Espinoza and McCann in reserve. Maloney and Holt – with some support – can threaten Manchester United. I’m not going to forecast a win but, as in the Cup Final, I do expect a respectable performance.
