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I watched Newcastle last night away at West Ham and most of the Newcastle players didn’t give a flying hoot, they were more bothered about their hair than winning. It was like an M&M Direct catalogue than a football team
Ahhhh! Oh how I miss the glamour of the Premier League.
There was a time when the Club or the manager could have been fined for sending out a weakened team (remember Holloway at Blackpool and McCarthy at Wolves) Of course this rule was relaxed as it was deemed that clubs should have enough with the 25 man squad and also play the u21’s.
As Holloway said “who the hell are they to tell me my players are not good enough”. It falls, therefore, into what Standish has said in that “it is not the player who makes the decision whether to play or not” – I expect Caldwell to play his favoured 11 in the league game with a few changes to the cup game (keeping first choice players on the bench as other mature and experience managers would, just in case they are needed). For me, after last season, I feel that the club is in need of a moral boost and continued success in the league and a decent enough cup run would do just that. We would also see the return of the rare “lesser spotted yellow backed tight supporter” to the ground…for the twitchers’ among us.
I know. Now I explained it in simplistic terms, I bet you wish you had kept quiet.Ahhh!
Ignoratio elenchi
Err, because the international striker is more likely to shoot on target and work the goalkeeper, because they are top players. The 3rd rate bloke is more likely to shoot off target, which renders the standard of keeper irrelevant. That’s why they are plodding around in the 3rd division.I would have thought that would have been obvious to such an intelligent specimen as you….
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt…
(Insert pithy quote from Anchorman, or other juvenile film, here).
I’m a great believer in letting one on ones go as the amount of times the attacker misses is far more than they score.
You have a point there. It wasn’t Luis Suarez or Sergio Aguero bearing down on goal, it was a Port Vale striker. The odds on 3rd division strikers sticking them away when one-on-one is a lot higher than your multi-million pound internationals.[/quote]
You do come out with some complete drivel (I was about to say at times, however, it would appear all the time).
The point is, it was a Port Vale Striker (Leauge 1) against a Wigan goalkeeper (league 1). Why on earth do you want to compare ‘apples with pears’. You clot.
Then you talk about the odds between a League 1 striker scoring against a League 1 goalkeeper are different to the odds of a world class striker scoring against a League 1 goalkeeper. I bet the bookies are shittin themselves.
Once proud club????
Very proud club now even if a bit of humble pie is beeing swallowed and even though there are various opinions spouted on here most of us are very proud to follow this club in our many different ways!!!I totally agree with those sentiments, however, I don’t think that we are eating humble pie. We are were we are through circumstance, a little distasteful I agree, but here we are. We have been here before and those ‘proud’ followers of the club who were there then are still with us along with quite a few recent followers and we will play our way back to the top, however long that takes. Remember that mightier clubs than us have been in this situation before and, through grit and determination (oh and a bit of financial backing) have returned to the higher levels.
I don’t subscribe to this fallacy being bandied around that we have fallen to our natural level. Over the eight years we were in the Premiership, and the preceding 3/4 years, we built our club up to something that should grace higher championship or the premier league once more – that is our level and that is where, I believe, we will return.
Clean sheets and goals and entertaining football too.
Not in that season. We won many games 1-0 and were extremely strong at the back.
The Duke was our top scorer with 15 goals and our 68 goals total was just average.It was only when we went up to the Championship that I would say we became more entertaining. Jewell built his team from the back first and then focused on attacking.[/quote]
Are you saying then that winning 1-0 cannot be an entertaining game? I remember when we played Aston Villa at home and it was 0-0 at full time. Probably one of the best, most entertaining games of football I’ve ever seen.
I was rather referring to the honourable gentleman’s comment:
“Completely understand why they play from the back. If the keeper hoofs it out every time he gets it, chances are, around 50% of the time you’ll just be handing it stright to the opposition.”
Whether Barnett is playing or not.
Edit: apologies for ‘cocking up’ the quote thingymebob
If you’re implying that there’s a time and a place for the keeper to lump it, then I’m in agreement.
It’s OK understanding the concept of the play but for heavens sake put a lot more practice into it, otherwise it may be better to ‘hoof’ and hope for a 50/50 ball. At least it’s half way down the pitch allowing the team to regroup…make a mistake between the goalie and defender and it can be (as we almost saw the other day) catastrophic.
And it should be a case of rolling or throwing it to a defender whenever it’s safe to do so.
Caldwell was guilty of it himself in his playing days (hence the nickname) but he needs to impress upon his defenders to keep their heads up, look around and plan the pass before they receive the ball from the goalie and not receive the ball with their backs to play.
But I suspect our man O’Donnell either isn’t used to doing that yet, or does not have the capacity to make that judgement himself.[/quote]
Well, we appear to have got there in the end sir.
Completely understand why they play from the back. If the keeper hoofs it out every time he gets it, chances are, around 50% of the time you’ll just be handing it stright to the opposition.But, if you’re playing it out from the back, the last person you want to give it to is Barnett.
It’s OK understanding the concept of the play but for heavens sake put a lot more practice into it, otherwise it may be better to ‘hoof’ and hope for a 50/50 ball. At least it’s half way down the pitch allowing the team to regroup…make a mistake between the goalie and defender and it can be (as we almost saw the other day) catastrophic.
Caldwell was guilty of it himself in his playing days (hence the nickname) but he needs to impress upon his defenders to keep their heads up, look around and plan the pass before they receive the ball from the goalie and not receive the ball with their backs to play.[/quote]
I refer to honourable gentleman to the comment:
‘But, if you’re playing it out from the back, the last person you want to give it to is Barnett’
Barnett isn’t up to it. Even when he is under pressure, some of his passing is woeful. I don’t think it’s a matter of him not keeping his head up unfortunately.
He got less of the ball in the second half so I’m hoping someone on the coaching staff spoke about it during the half time break.[/quote]
I was rather referring to the honourable gentleman’s comment:
“Completely understand why they play from the back. If the keeper hoofs it out every time he gets it, chances are, around 50% of the time you’ll just be handing it stright to the opposition.”
Whether Barnett is playing or not.
Edit: apologies for ‘cocking up’ the quote thingymebob
At least that’s what I hope happens – maybe Rosler & MacKay’s style of bringing in a player on loan, chucking em straight into the starting line up, before dropping them, never playing them again & then sending them back has put everybody off loan players here!!Cheers for that. I suppose that we (well me at least) are still tainted with the style Rosler and MacKay adopted with the role of the loanee. However, it still makes me uneasy to think he is still ‘tinkering’ when we should be smashing the league on our way to 100 points – oh hang on a sec.
Still no goals and in front of only 8,813, very worrying! Couldn’t go yesterday, How many did Doncaster bring?Just over 900 I believe which makes the home crowd…well what I and a lot of friends expected really.
The real fans.
It was probably the first time in my 37 years of watching latics that i never knew any of the starting 11 bar barnett & mccann. I too had a knob sat behind me who shouted “absolute sh1t” in front of his 5 year old son at the end of the game. IMO it is a brand new team with a brand new manager that needs to be given time to gel. My only concern was the passing back to the keeper which almost nearly ended in a goal to them. Clearly caldwell has obviously learned this from martinez. I agree also with the comment made about the loanees. If these guys were here for the seasin then fine, play them. But, if they are only here for a month then dont play them & give OUR lads the chance to play & gel with the 1st teamers.
Overall i would give us a 6 out of 10. Plenty of reasons to think we will be fine, but still a lot of work needed to be done.Completely understand why they play from the back. If the keeper hoofs it out every time he gets it, chances are, around 50% of the time you’ll just be handing it stright to the opposition.
But, if you’re playing it out from the back, the last person you want to give it to is Barnett.[/quote]
It’s OK understanding the concept of the play but for heavens sake put a lot more practice into it, otherwise it may be better to ‘hoof’ and hope for a 50/50 ball. At least it’s half way down the pitch allowing the team to regroup…make a mistake between the goalie and defender and it can be (as we almost saw the other day) catastrophic.
Caldwell was guilty of it himself in his playing days (hence the nickname) but he needs to impress upon his defenders to keep their heads up, look around and plan the pass before they receive the ball from the goalie and not receive the ball with their backs to play.
We should not be giving young lads from Everton or any other frigging club match practice. To spend a month here then piss off back to their own club leaving us the situation of having to bring in players again to gel with the team. Flores played pretty well on Tuesday to be dropped today to make way for loanees on keep fit exercise at our club. Loanees..get shut and play our youngsters who would die for that badge.
In this instance though, they are not just here for a month to get fit & then go back to Everton.
They’re nowhere near Everton’s first team and if you read what Caldwell said when they arrived they were brought in on short term loans to give Latics a chance to have an extended look at them both & then decided whether to extend those loans over a longer period.
Personally I see that as a far better move than approaching Everton to see if they had anyone suitable, taking who they recommended for a season & then realising a month down the line that they weren’t suitable.
I think this way of looking at loans has come about as a result of having their fingers burnt a few times with long term loan players over the last couple of seasons.
If the 2 guys from Everton are playing from the start its coz Caldwell thinks that they’re better suited to the positions & system than others who play the same position & not merely to get them fit at the expense of permanent Latics players[/quote]That might be so, however, if you take Donny’s point then there is a real risk of a player merry-go-round here at the club. If the players do not suit Caldwell’s style, or came here ‘over-rated’ etc then indeed there is (can be) a problem. You have to admit, though, that it is rather late in the window to be experimenting with other teams players. Is Caldwell behind the drag-curve? Only time will tell.