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The Spanish national side seems to be Martinez’s style template – 4-2-3-1, everything down the middle. So if Spains decent footballers can produce football as dull as that they showed today and throughout this tournament, its no wonder our mediocre players do the same.
4-2-3-1 will be the death of football.
There’s an awful lot of teams in this World Cup played that style, some of which had players as mediocre as ours, but who managed to look decent.
British players generally aren’t yet used to it, so it will be a team full of ‘Carlos Kick-A-Balls’ (did you coin that phrase recently?) until the English get out of the mentality of constantly trying to get the ball to the line and crossing it to the big lad in the middle.[/quote]
I did use Carlos Kickaball, but it was Alan Sugar who used it first when he was chairman at Spurs
I’m not saying 4-4-2 is the answer – that, rightly is called one dimensional at times. But the Spanish way is equally, if not more one dimensional. They play with no width, everything is funnelled down the middle cos the wingers are on the wrong sides, everything in front of the back 4 looking for a shot. They don’t use their pace because its all two touch football. I just don’t see any variety in their game.
Look how easily Inter defended that in the CL final
Scotland to Burnley and in return Tyrone Mears?
One hand giveth and the other taketh away……
Definitely picking the lesser of two evils there.
Yes,hand on heart I would have Gordon over Kirkland
What, the Gordon who couldn’t even get in their team for 6 months?
Its all about opinions I suppose….
For me, Kirkland is one of the few class players we’ve got. And is one of the reasons we’re still in the Prem.
Are you suggesting he is better than Gordon or Robinson ?
Definitely, yes, and Carson, and probably Gomez, although he has improved.
Hand on heart, would you really have Gordon ahead of Kirkland?
Kirkland may have a dodgy back but he’s still more mobile than Robinson, who’s definitely had one too many pies – thought it was Filan last time I saw him.
“Delusion alert !!”
Don’t think so. As I said, he’s better than at least half the keepers in the Prem, including at least one of the top 7. I’ll name them for you
Almunia
Gomes
Robinson
Blackpool’s keeper
Harper
Sorenson
Hanneman
Gordon
Green
CarsonYou OK with that?! You should try appreciating what we’ve got.
“Errr I doubt very much that any other Prem side would want him !!”
Don’t know why, he’s better than at least half the keepers in the Prem, including at least one top 7 side.
And his fitness record isn’t too bad over the last few seasons…
Now Capello is clearing the decks of the dead wood, he should definitely be in the squad.
Hart
Baines
Dawson
Jagielka
Gibbs
Richards
Huddlestone
Cattermole
Noble
Milner
A.Johnson
Wiltshire
Lennon
Young
Walcott
Rodwell
Agbonlahor
RooneyGood try No1, but I think you’ve just proved my point….if they’re the best we’ve got, we’re in trouble.
The Premier League is the main reason for our failure as the bigger teams (plus the likes of us) won’t take a chance on playing young English players because of the financial consequences of failure.
Anyone who doesn’t agree with this, try picking an U23 England team from outside this squad and see what you end up with.
So unless they’re planning on some self imposed rule about playing young English players, they shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the England team.
Lets hope Latics and a few other clubs take on board our performance at the world cup, and give the likes of him a chance rather than signing dodgy foreign keepers.
We’ve got Pollitt who can be a No. 3 backup. If this lad is any good, show some faith and make him no. 2 to Kirkland.
Yes, we are an average team. Lampard and Gerrard in particular have bottled it many times already for England when it matters so I didn’t expect much difference this time, but last night was a new low. For me in the next game I’d go 4-4-2, drop Rooney, Lampard and Heskey and bring in Crouch, Defoe and Joe Cole. The likes of Lampard and Rooney need to see that if they don’t perform, they’re out, and Capello should be the man to do that.
But that generation hasn’t been pushed enough by the following one, for whatever reason – Premiership cash, foreign managers etc. Try and name an England back four from outside this squad aged 24 and under….Half of Germany’s squad is aged 23 and under. Have a look round the top 7 clubs for how many English players Capello has to choose from.
We’ve got virtually no strength in depth and the top players aren’t up to it.
To be fair, the way he was playing, I wouldn’t have bothered supplying him either – played most of second half on the left, which as a right footer, didn’t suit, and lost it every time. His dead ball delivery was truly appalling too.
He used to be a good player – sums up the French performance really.
And Ribery has had just about the worst game I’ve ever seen a professional footballer play. And I watched Wayne Entwistle for a full season.
Yes, it does annoy me as it takes all the width from the game – its mainly a defensive measure to stop teams hitting you on the break. Everyone’s doing it, so it cancels everyone out and makes the games boring.