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Further, I agree that if he is only fulfilling part of his contract (for whatever reason) and still being paid his full salary, then it is indeed “a nice little earner” for him.
And I’ll ask you. How is it a nice little earner?
Maloney, Waghorn, Watson, McCann, Ramis – they’ve all been on the treatment table – ie. not playing – recently for long periods, and have been claiming their full salaries.
Caldwell – although not playing, has been active with his coaching.
I’m sure he’d love to be playing as this could possibly be his last season.
He’s fulfilling part of his contract rather than none of it like the players mentioned above.
I wouldn’t take a blind bit of notice of what JJ says! ;)I was speaking to one of my counterparts in the Championship, and he told me he was really looking forward to the visit of Wigan Athletic because it was one of the glamour games of the season.
“I told him it was probably the first time that Wigan Athletic have ever been described as being a glamour team! He explained it was because we’d been in the Premier League for eight years, we were the FA Cup holders and we would be playing in Europe next season.
“And I suppose, if you take a step back, we probably are one of the big teams in that league this year.
He said that a couple of months after we’d won the FA Cup. Can’t see the problem in that comment.
Some young kid got his chance for Bolton and pissed all over us and not just with the goal. When all else fails you must give others a chance Delort, Reira , Flores, etc . And on the subject of bad trainers ? Shit trainers exist at every level of the game. You don’t have to be pro to hate training or never impress like forest gump ,,,,Jesus wept.
When something doesn’t work you have to explore every option at hand no matter if its outside your principles or are we still on the Martinez my way or the highway method ????
Who mentioned Forest Gump?
You don’t have to tear-arse around everywhere to impress in training. They have practice matches, different excercises. It’s not just about running around.
If you have two players of similar ability and one shows he’s willing to put the effort in during training and one can’t be arse – which one is goig to get picked?[/quote]
There has to come to a point that you know no matter how you train or how many goals your score in the reserves you ain’t gonna get picked. With a striker , the proofs in the goals. It doesn’t matter about holding the bib in piggy in the middle or skipping through the ladders it’s about been in the right place at the right time and scoring.
I don’t know if he is any good but I know that when all my other options have been exhausted I would have at least tried him at least in the cup,,,,Bolton did.Training and playing in a competitive game are worlds apart, how many times do you hear a manager say ” He’s not match fit, he’s not ready he needs ** games under his belt”. He’s never been given a crack at the whip like Dicko who must have also not been ready or was also shit in training. He scored 18 goals in 35 appearances Jan-Jan 2014-2015[/quote]
Two managers have now felt that Fortune was a better option than Delort or Riera, so clerly there’s either something amiss with them.I doubt it’s not being able to adapt to the formation, as certainly Riera at least is used to playing as a lone striker, so I can only presume both managers don’t think either has adapted to the English game sufficiently.
Out of the two of them I thought Riera looked the most promising.
Anyway, Waghorn scored for the Development Squad today so it looks like he’s on the mend and I’d expect him to be in with a shout in forthcoming weeks.
Not a bad earner that, training the kids while still drawing a hefty wedgeWhy is it an earner?
He’s either fulfilling part of the coaching role that come with his player/coach contract, or he’s doing it free of charge off his own back.
I personally thought it pathetic that his “loyalty” to his local team was more a result of threats made by a local gangster if he left. He’s wanted to leave a few times, and you can see the exasperation on his face at having to slave away for another quarter of a million a week. Also, he should never have been allowed near the England team who would have been considerably better off not touching the overrated likes of Gerard and Lampard with a barge poke instead of misguidedly trying to accommodate both.So you think both Gerrard and Lampard are overrated and shouldn’t have played for England?
Seriously?
No obvious rise in revenue? We went down the season before the TV money went through the roof. As for players not wanting to stay, that may be true of Valencia and Palacios, but Bruce has shown he can get a certain class of player to sign and stay at Hull City, arguably a more unfashionable address than Wigan. While he was in charge,10th-place finishes and European contention were realistic aims; after Sir Bob took over, it was relegation dogfights all the way.You mean apart from winning the FA Cup and beating Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool?
The end of Bruce’s second season was poor – relegation form in fact, so there’s no guarantee that he too would not have ended up in a fight against relegation as Jewell had done before him and as Martinez would subsequently
Granted he was a much bigger name that Martinez and had many more connections allowing him to attract the higher profile plyers, but the business model wasn’t working and he would have been on much tighter financial constraints the following season.
Steve Bruce is a good manager,but I personally preferred the football under Martinez and for me the highs far outweighed the lows.
Some young kid got his chance for Bolton and pissed all over us and not just with the goal. When all else fails you must give others a chance Delort, Reira , Flores, etc . And on the subject of bad trainers ? Shit trainers exist at every level of the game. You don’t have to be pro to hate training or never impress like forest gump ,,,,Jesus wept.When something doesn’t work you have to explore every option at hand no matter if its outside your principles or are we still on the Martinez my way or the highway method ????
Who mentioned Forest Gump?
You don’t have to tear-arse around everywhere to impress in training. They have practice matches, different excercises. It’s not just about running around.
If you have two players of similar ability and one shows he’s willing to put the effort in during training and one can’t be arse – which one is goig to get picked?
Can I ask a simple question, from a simple man. If you booed Heskey today can you tell me why??? He was a player who always gave of his best whilst with us. Probably the people who booed him never saw him play for us. J.C.L.’s
Another example of saying how much he loved the club then fekked off a few weeks later. :ohmy:
I think it was at the Christmas light switch on in the town centre, when he gave this heart warming speech about not wanting to leave the club and he wouldn’t be leaving in the transfer window, even with all the interest from other clubs. A couple of weeks later wooooosh! off to villa he went.
His form at Wigan had led him to regaining his England place back and he threw it all away by joining Villa and not getting enough game time.
That, along with the fact that he now plays for our local rivals, is probably why he got that reception from our fans. Didn’t boo him myself, but fully understand why a lot of our fans did. Glad to see him looking so much out of his depth, even Kearnan had him in his back pocket.
I can’t see the zimmer frame brothers [him and Gudjohnsson], doing a great deal to help noblot’s cause somehow. :woohoo:[/quote]
Dear oh dear.Does your bitterness know no bounds?[/quote]
There you go again, I can’t post anything without you or your sidekick having a personal attack. Disagree with me by all means, but there is no need to go into this bitterness shyte. You need to grow up and learn how to have a personal view about things, without having a swipe at people.
I have a swipe at Martinez, the cheeky girls have a swipe at me. I have a swipe at Heskey, the cheeky girls have a swipe at me. Can you see where I’m coming from.
For a big chap you come over all baby like at times.
[/quote]Where’s the personal attack? I’ve merely asked you a question.
I find some of your views bitter and childish. Am I not allowed to pull you up on this as I might cause offence?
How bad they’ve looked when?
If you’re bought as a hold up man and you play shite then that’s a different story to banging goals in against Real Madrid or 26 in a season and being asked to do it, when you’ve never done it.
It’s like asking a joiner to fix my car.
On a separate note, I watched Delort try to play on his own in his first game at Blackburn and he worked his absolute tripe off and all anyone could say around me was how good he was going to be with a partner or at least some support. At 1 nil up after 60 minutes we looked pretty decent. Then something happened when it went 1-1 and we have never recovered. He was tried up on his own for the next 2 games I think and got dropped never to be seen, similar to Riera.
Why folk think they’ve been given a fair crack at it is beyond me and they keep banging the goals in it he reserves playing together, while Fortune zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Bored of this now.
Riera has featured in 13 games this season and Delort in 8. I’ve seen nothing to suggest either may be a better option to Fortune and our two managers this season clearly feel the same.
Scoring against the Dog ‘n Duck / Morcambe Reserves at Christopher park may be well and good, but it’s meant as a nursery to develop young first and second year professionals, not for million pound strikers to show how good they are by banging ‘em in against teenagers.
Incidentally, when Riera scored 13 in La Liga last season, it was as part of a 4-2-3-1 formation – so it would appear he can play as a lone striker. Not sure what formation Delort is used to.
I hope one or both of them are given a chance and come good – but I doubt it.[/quote]
So Johnny, why do the managers play them in those games? Surely it is pointless and if anything risky because they could get injured![/quote]
Exercise and to keep them match fit I presume.I doubt them scoring against a team of kids will tell the manager much.
Can I ask a simple question, from a simple man. If you booed Heskey today can you tell me why??? He was a player who always gave of his best whilst with us. Probably the people who booed him never saw him play for us. J.C.L.’s
Another example of saying how much he loved the club then fekked off a few weeks later. :ohmy:
I think it was at the Christmas light switch on in the town centre, when he gave this heart warming speech about not wanting to leave the club and he wouldn’t be leaving in the transfer window, even with all the interest from other clubs. A couple of weeks later wooooosh! off to villa he went.
His form at Wigan had led him to regaining his England place back and he threw it all away by joining Villa and not getting enough game time.
That, along with the fact that he now plays for our local rivals, is probably why he got that reception from our fans. Didn’t boo him myself, but fully understand why a lot of our fans did. Glad to see him looking so much out of his depth, even Kearnan had him in his back pocket.
I can’t see the zimmer frame brothers [him and Gudjohnsson], doing a great deal to help noblot’s cause somehow. :woohoo:[/quote]
Dear oh dear.Does your bitterness know no bounds?
How bad they’ve looked when?If you’re bought as a hold up man and you play shite then that’s a different story to banging goals in against Real Madrid or 26 in a season and being asked to do it, when you’ve never done it.
It’s like asking a joiner to fix my car.
On a separate note, I watched Delort try to play on his own in his first game at Blackburn and he worked his absolute tripe off and all anyone could say around me was how good he was going to be with a partner or at least some support. At 1 nil up after 60 minutes we looked pretty decent. Then something happened when it went 1-1 and we have never recovered. He was tried up on his own for the next 2 games I think and got dropped never to be seen, similar to Riera.
Why folk think they’ve been given a fair crack at it is beyond me and they keep banging the goals in it he reserves playing together, while Fortune zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Bored of this now.
Riera has featured in 13 games this season and Delort in 8. I’ve seen nothing to suggest either may be a better option to Fortune and our two managers this season clearly feel the same.
Scoring against the Dog ‘n Duck / Morcambe Reserves at Christopher park may be well and good, but it’s meant as a nursery to develop young first and second year professionals, not for million pound strikers to show how good they are by banging ‘em in against teenagers.
Incidentally, when Riera scored 13 in La Liga last season, it was as part of a 4-2-3-1 formation – so it would appear he can play as a lone striker. Not sure what formation Delort is used to.
I hope one or both of them are given a chance and come good – but I doubt it.
The manager has made it quite clear he doesn’t fancy certain players by omitting them from the team altogether. Have you ever played the game ? let me explain, some players hate training , period but on match day their a different animal. My son is coming up for 19 and plays at a decent amatuer level. He hates training and like a few others trains like a pig but on matchday he gets fired up and is a total different character, captains his side and regular M0TM awards and player of the season awards. If you gave out the same awards for training he’d get a polished turd.Would you run your bollocks to the ground in training if you knew beforehand you would def not be playing no matter what you do ? it’s a vicious circle, it’s time to give others a run in the team, you never know. So he drops Delort, he plays in the reserves and scores and , yep , not even the bench. Do I know if he’s any good on a matchday ? no, and neither does MacKay because we both haven’t seen him but there’s not just Delort there’s a full second team not even getting a sniff.
As it stands at Wigan, players who are fancied by the way they “train” more professional whatever they are not getting the results, period. MacKay’s plan isn’t working with player selection so I say give the lads who don’t get a run a chance or what’s the point of a squad ?? we can’t be any poor than we are at the moment. If you don’t you will never know.
I would point to Riera more than Delort who has suffered the most. By all reports there are 3 La Liga teams after his services so they must know something MacKay doesn’t.
If we clearout the squad in Jan how long will it take for the new additions to bed in to the reserves cause that’s were their they’ll be heading….training ? were would Paul McGrath be without training….
You’re completely missing the point.
Your son is an amateur player who trains (probably) twice a week. We are talking about professional players who the manager sees in training and during practice matches every day.
Paul McGrath and Ledley King played on the back of their reputations. When they were at the start of their careers they would have had to train just as hard as the other players otherwise they wouldn’t have made it. Once they’d made it and everyone knew how good they were, then they could ease off on the training.
Delort and Riera don’t have any reputation to fall back and if they look poor in training, they won’t get picked.
Incidentally, has everyone forgotten how bad they both looked when they have played?
Ffs.Brought Mc kung foo Manaman on. Why?? Was this a new piece of genious??? Have both our wingers up front with no strikers on the field. Would it not have been a time to do the obvious and bring on Riera and let the hard working McClean put his hard work in the obvious place.. On his friggin wing!!McManaman was a striker throughout youth team and reserve football.
Would Riera bring anything different to Fortune? I’ve seen him play. I think not.
Rovers fan mate of mine suggested Leon Best on loan from them? If he is indeed available for loan would you like to see him given some playing time for us? Can’t be any worse than what we already have surely!Who in their right mind would want to play for Wigan Athletic at the moment?
Was tonight 352? Bollocks it was. 532 more like and total shit. Why not just try the friggin obvious. McClean where he should be on the left doing whatever Taylor was meant to be doing and Delort and Riera up front. Fuckin simple.I’m guessing you looked at the line-up and came to this conclusion when their keeper was taking a goal kick or when they were taking a free kick?
When not in possession and waiting for the ball to come our way it was 5-3-2.
When we had the ball and were moving forwards it was 4-4-2 as Taverier moved into right midfield. And at times it went to 4-5-1 as McClean moved to the left wing and left Fortune up front by himself.
So it’s not that ‘Fuckin simple’.
