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I think the only thing we really need is another striker.
We have adequate cover in midfield in my opinion – especially when Macdonald is fit again, we have enough cover for defence, and we have more than enough goalkeepers.
I doubt we’ll get wingers, as that’s not the way we play; Jacobs, Colclough and Massey are all encouraged to play further forwards and cut inside.
Realistically though, what striker are we going to get of any real quality in January that isn’t better than what we already have?
How come the cherubs cannot play every week yet whenever a lucrative pre season tour of the USA or the Far East is on the table wild horses couldn’t keep them from going.
You asked earlier what the difference is between players nowadays and players who played every game in the past, and the answer is Sports Science.
Most players would play every single game if they could – as was the case in the past. It’s not them demanding a rest, it’s the sports scientists.
When players get to this level, they’re all of a similar standard, so it’s all about fine margins, and if a manager thinks he can get an edge on his opponents by resting his players and keeping them fresh and knock-free, he’ll do it.
When you get to the level, stature and age of someone like Rooney, then they might request some time off, but your average Wigan players is told when they are playing and when they are resting.
Bear in mind between now and New Year’s Day, they have five games to play – including one against Shrewsbury, so Cook’s more than likely resting players in anticipation of the busy Christmas schedule, rather than because they’re tired.[/quote]
Got no problem with certain changes Standish but 8 in an important game is too excessive. The main problem I have is that the top clubs in the Prem have 25 top international players of real quality so rotation can be really beneficial. At our level we do not have that quality throughout the squad so in big games league or cup we must go with a strong side to get the job done. What really gets my goat is that lower league clubs are following the lead of the big boys coz its the trend and not because they have the resources to rotate. I also agree its down to the managers and not the players who have exasperated this phenomenon. None of this however detracts from the fact that we should not be gambling so much in a game of importance as last nights was. Obviously the league is our priority but our best players should be able to cope with the games that come thick and fast. They always have in the past.[/quote]
I get what you’re saying about squad sizes – and rotation not being suited to lower league teams, but I think the issue here is, you saw the game as being much more important that Cook did.Personally, I wouldn’t have been heartbroken if we’d been knocked out last night, and I suspect Cook felt the same.
Realistically, we’re not going to win the FA Cup as a third tier team, and promotion is pretty much the be all and end all this season, so if we lost one of our vital players to injury or suspension against Fylde in an extra match we didn’t really need and it derailed our promotion bid, then Cook would be under the spotlight.
Doesnt Cook take training anymore? Cant he see the players capabilities or lack of them, the buck stops with the manager end of!
A team with 9 players who have played at Championship level and the others being experienced at L1 and L2 should easily beat a team who only went full time two years ago.
Byrne, Burn, Toney, Power, Colclough, Elder: I’d say pretty much every club in League One would snap your hand off if you offered any one of these to them.
Nothing wrong with the team selection. It’s the players’ aptitude that’s at fault[/quote]
I’d say ‘Attitude’ Johnny, not ‘Aptitude’! Possible predictive text maybe? ;)[/quote]
You’re right. Also doesn’t help that I have big fingers and a small screen!Doesnt Cook take training anymore? Cant he see the players capabilities or lack of them, the buck stops with the manager end of!A team with 9 players who have played at Championship level and the others being experienced at L1 and L2 should easily beat a team who only went full time two years ago.
Byrne, Burn, Toney, Power, Colclough, Elder: I’d say pretty much every club in League One would snap your hand off if you offered any one of these to them.
Nothing wrong with the team selection. It’s the players’ aptitude that’s at fault
It doesn’t matter how fit you are or how good your diet is your body will only take so much before it starts to give in either with injuries or worse as we saw with Muamba, Foe and plenty of others.
Eddie Izzard managed 27 marathons in 27 days at the age of 55.[/quote]
But I bet the other Eddie Izzard who rested instead of running the 26th marathon pissed all over him in their final race.How come the cherubs cannot play every week yet whenever a lucrative pre season tour of the USA or the Far East is on the table wild horses couldn’t keep them from going.You asked earlier what the difference is between players nowadays and players who played every game in the past, and the answer is Sports Science.
Most players would play every single game if they could – as was the case in the past. It’s not them demanding a rest, it’s the sports scientists.
When players get to this level, they’re all of a similar standard, so it’s all about fine margins, and if a manager thinks he can get an edge on his opponents by resting his players and keeping them fresh and knock-free, he’ll do it.
When you get to the level, stature and age of someone like Rooney, then they might request some time off, but your average Wigan players is told when they are playing and when they are resting.
Bear in mind between now and New Year’s Day, they have five games to play – including one against Shrewsbury, so Cook’s more than likely resting players in anticipation of the busy Christmas schedule, rather than because they’re tired.
We all saw how poor Fylde were there are simply no excuses. Put them to bed early and make changes when the game is won. If Cookie losers this with ridiculous selections as he did against Stanley then he must be brought to account. I doubt he will but its a chance to get a few goals and much needed confidence up front.
Promotion is the goal though so as long as he gets that what else happens is irrelevant.[/quote]
A cup run is as vital financially egg. Now the greed money has long gone we need the revenue a cup run will bring. FFS how many breaks does the modern player need?. They are fitter now than ever yet moan about being shagged out. Its Fylde for Christ sake they are hardly gonna give us the run around unless we treat it as a training exercise like last time. Winning becomes a habit so no arsing about just do the job they are paid to.[/quote]
But for winning tonight, the club get only £27k plus whatever they take on the attendance (let’s guess at 5000 @ £10 = £50k minus operating costs) – and their reward is a trip to Bournemouth with a split of a ‘bumper’ 10k attendance, a probable defeat, the travel expense involves, and the risk of injury to players.For a club like Fylde, I’d agree that an FA Cup run is a golden goose, but for us, focusing on promotion, I think it’s a distraction we could do without.
I agree on the winning becoming a habit though, and I would like the manager to use it to give some fringe players game-time.
Here is my take on Standishwalkers England greats. Feel free to pass your own judgement on the multi millionaire superstars.
Drinkwater… Overrated
Cahill… Donkey
Alexander-Arnold… Good prospect
Milner… Past it
Henderson… Useless
Oxlade-Chamberlain… Worse than useless
Sturridge… Injured
Clyne… Average
Gomez… Good prospect
Rose… Alright, but no better than Bainsy
Winks… Good prospect
Alli… Excellent
Kane… Only world class player here
Dier… Spelt wrong, should be Dire
Walker… Better winger than defender
Delph… Theres a better one in Eccleston
Stirling… Good for City, shit for England
Smalling… Average, but better than Cahill
Young… Hot and cold
Lingard… Too lightweight
Rashford… Excellent prospect
Jones… Better than Cahill but always looks unfitI never passed judgement on how good or bad any of them were; you’ve jumped to conclusions and done that.
I was merely pointing out to your mate Donny that his comment that the five English teams to qualify for the knockout stages of the Champions League were full of foreign players with no relevance to the England national team was inaccurate.
All of those players above either currently feature in, or have featured in the England national team.
Plus, even though only a few of them played in last week’s Champions League games, all of them are regulars in their club’s first team squad this season.
As for your comment that only a couple would get into the top ten national team, you’re probably right – and that’s why England are ranked 12th.
Although Belgium are 5th and Poland are 6th – and surely you’re not telling me they have better squads when they have players like Chadli from West Brom and Szczesny playing for them?[/quote]
Fair enough. Poland at 6th in the rankings is a bit baffling, but Belgiums ranking is probably mainly due to their manager??[/quote]
Quite possiblyAnd no matter how they get on, I think Belgium will play with ‘incredible style and focus’
Here is my take on Standishwalkers England greats. Feel free to pass your own judgement on the multi millionaire superstars.Drinkwater… Overrated
Cahill… Donkey
Alexander-Arnold… Good prospect
Milner… Past it
Henderson… Useless
Oxlade-Chamberlain… Worse than useless
Sturridge… Injured
Clyne… Average
Gomez… Good prospect
Rose… Alright, but no better than Bainsy
Winks… Good prospect
Alli… Excellent
Kane… Only world class player here
Dier… Spelt wrong, should be Dire
Walker… Better winger than defender
Delph… Theres a better one in Eccleston
Stirling… Good for City, shit for England
Smalling… Average, but better than Cahill
Young… Hot and cold
Lingard… Too lightweight
Rashford… Excellent prospect
Jones… Better than Cahill but always looks unfitI never passed judgement on how good or bad any of them were; you’ve jumped to conclusions and done that.
I was merely pointing out to your mate Donny that his comment that the five English teams to qualify for the knockout stages of the Champions League were full of foreign players with no relevance to the England national team was inaccurate.
All of those players above either currently feature in, or have featured in the England national team.
Plus, even though only a few of them played in last week’s Champions League games, all of them are regulars in their club’s first team squad this season.
As for your comment that only a couple would get into the top ten national team, you’re probably right – and that’s why England are ranked 12th.
Although Belgium are 5th and Poland are 6th – and surely you’re not telling me they have better squads when they have players like Chadli from West Brom and Szczesny playing for them?
Five teams full of foreign players which are doing nothing for the national team.Full of foreign players which are doing nothing for the national team – apart from:
Drinkwater
Cahill
Alexander-Arnold
Milner
Henderson
Oxlade-Chamberlain
Sturridge
Clyne
Gomez
Rose
Winks
Alli
Kane
Dier
Walker
Delph
Stirling
Smalling
Young
Lingard
Rashford
JonesSay what you like about the Premier League in terms of what you think of its quality, but it’s still the most competitive top tier league in any country, and it’s still the most watched and most sought after league in the world.
Shit National side stemming from an even shitter and overated National Premier league that was formed to give us a successful National side.
All its succeeded at is making millionaires out of average overseas players, lining the pockets of quite a few tattoo artists and hair stylists and reducing the numbers of home grown players available to play for England.
However even our boring lot should progress in that group.That overrated Nation League has 5 teams through to the knockout stages of The Champions League….
Ballotts are for when you have 4000-6000 people who religiously go to away games and the club only had 1,000. in the case of Wigan we have around 500 that go to 80% of our away games and they should be the ones that are ring fenced, regarldless off season tickets.
In this case there could very well be 1,000 brand new fans going to Fylde like those that went to wembley for our semi and final, leaving those 500 who go to Gillinham and Charton a Tuesday night at home to watch it on TV. lets see what Thursday bringsDoes that ring fenced 500 include the MANY that do not go to home games any more choosing an away day out as the only games they attend, these contribute not one penny to WAFC.[/quote]
In an ideal world it would be:
1. Season Ticket holders with X amount of away ticket purchases
2. Season Ticket holders
3. Those with away ticket purchase history
4. Whatever is left to General SaleDoesn’t matter if you have a ticket allocation of 8,000 or 80, this is fairest way of doing it: ie, reward those have put money into the club first.
How can they use the excuse of resting the squad when we have no game on Saturday? .
Would you rather have a week off work or 2?[/quote]
Exactly that!
When they play a night match, they don’t just turn up and play. They start the prep in the morning, so it turns into a full day event, plus they need to train and condition in the days leading up to it otherwise they’ll either not playing at 100% or they’ll not be at tip-top condition and in either case, they’ll end up injuring themselves.
Cook’s clearly given them the week off to rejuvenate, reenergise, refuel, re-group or whatever the latest re buzzword is these days, and this game would have been right in the middle of that time off.
Surely it’s better to have a revitalised (there, thought of another re word…) squad that’s raring to go than one that’s jaded and carrying knocks?
Problem I have is most of us went garrity after the article by Knobhead Keys and rightly so yet some are now happy we have definitely thrown a game. Double standards. And if filmoss is correct about the rules then the club will find itself in the quagmire and a probable financial penalty. As for players wanting a break that’s fine for those playing regularly but I imangine that the likes of Bruce would have been chomping at the bit to play.
I copied and pasted those rules from the Checkatrade Trophy official site. It said that the fine would be up to £5000.[/quote]
It remains to be seen if the club will be fined but they must have known the rules so will be aware of that and yet still determined to play the kids.[/quote]
That fine is pretty much half of the night’s takings!Problem I have is most of us went garrity after the article by Knobhead Keys and rightly so yet some are now happy we have definitely thrown a game. Double standards. And if filmoss is correct about the rules then the club will find itself in the quagmire and a probable financial penalty. As for players wanting a break that’s fine for those playing regularly but I imangine that the likes of Bruce would have been chomping at the bit to play.Ah, but there’s a difference here.
Keys was suggesting the City players didn’t try in that match and allowed Wigan to win.
Nobody is suggesting the Wigan players didn’t try on Tuesday. I’m sure they’d have loved to win and did everything they could – but were simply too young and not strong enough.
When I say they’d thrown the match (probably the wrong term in hindsight) I meant Cook had effectively written off the match by putting the kids in and wasn’t overly concerned if we progressed in the tournament.
I’m hoping the club have done their homework and they were given dispensation to allow their squad time off – maybe through a loophole caused by the international weekend. I don’t know and I’m only guessing.
Regarding the likes of Bruce etc. maybe he would want a game, or maybe he wouldn’t. He’s 33, trains hard all week, and plays the odd midweek game for Under 23s, and then you give him the choice of a few days off or turning out on a cold Tuesday night against Accrington in front of 1000 people. I suspect he might say, ‘You know what, I’ll give it a miss and play a bit of golf and spend time with my kids instead’!