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Buxton 2 years left on contract im sure they could have got something better than nothing in this situation regarding our finances
I just think its madness to give away players that wayRealistically, how much would Latics get on the open market for a 32 year old with a history of injury problems??
On top of that there could be agents fees to pay during a sale or bonuses due to the player which eat away at the transfer fee &, as another poster has pointed out, the chances are that the payments would have been staggered over a few years.If the club is letting him go by mutual consent its highly likely that he’s asked to leave (with a detination in mind), the club has possibly even contacted this club to see what they want to pay & then gone away to do their sums before going back to Buxton & saying that you can go, and on a free to the club of your choice, but you forfeit your bonuses & any other payments due from any transfer – and Buxton has agreed
As incompetent as you think they are it is highly unlikely that he’s approached them & they’ve just said yes without working out a deal that benefits the club financially
We had more than enough in that squad to hold our own in the Championship!The fact that we had 3 managers who with 3 different approaches to games could not get that squad out of the bottom 3 pretty much all season suggests that the squad we had wasn’t good enough to hold it’s own.
2 of our keepers were garbage.
Warnock, for all his huff & puff, struggled with the step up at this stage of his career the more the season went on
We didn’t have a decent right back all season
David Perkins isn’t a championship quality midfielder
Max Power (who I wasn’t especially keen on in Lge1 to be honest) really struggled with the step up
Pretty much every loan signing was awful
We had 3 guys up front who had all been let go/sold by Championship teams because they didn’t think they were good enough & yet we went into that season thinking we didn’t need to strengthen the forward line in the slightestYes the managers made their mistakes, & plenty of them, but a lot of the players looked out of their depth all season.
The club did also suffer with lengthy injuries to several players in the same positions who I think, if fit, could have made more of a fist of staying up – Daniels, James, Kellett, Powell, Gilbey – but too many of those who were fit weren’t good enough for that level.
The blame can’t all be heaped on the managers
i think some of you are letting time cloud your judgement a bit – Harry Maguire was one of the few bright spots that season & performed really well during his time here. Maybe not £17mill well, but good nonetheless.
At the time he’d been frozen out of the picture following his move from Sheff Utd & there were plenty wondering whether Latics may even be able to keep him.
I’ve seen absolutely nowt of him since his time at Latics but I have heard numerous pundits on talksport last season banging on about how good he was
He did get a mention in the January transfer rumours but no it’s just me, I’ve been championing him for the long standing ‘much needed suitable central striker’ role and a poster over on ours* works with a Latic who reckons he’s Sh**e
*http://www.cottagecorner.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=6454&pid=79843#pid79843
I’m not his biggest fan to be honest with you.
Granted, we were poor and he got little service, but his positioning and awareness of his team mates were woeful in my opinion.
Hopefully it will improve with coaching and playing with better players, but I’d already been warned by a Grimsby fan at work that he’d probably struggle in a higher league, and as his confidence wanes, he’ll start missing good chances – and his prediction seem to be pretty accurate from what I saw last season.
As Tyldesley Latic says, the jury’s still out on him.[/quote]
Probably also worth pointing out in light of what Standish says, he did come in for some criticism from our interim manager back in March – Graham Barrow challenged him to “find himself” & said that “it’s all become about him a little bit – and he needs to become a better team player”
On the flip side to that, he did say in the same interview “Omar’s been smashing since he came in to the club”
Hello folks! peaceful Fulham fan here.Let me say that you’ll be sorely missed by many of us, you’re a very popular away day (pies) so hurry back, your new manager looks a good ‘un.
Anyway, I’d appreciate your thoughts on Bogle, I was blowing his Trumpet for much of last season (still am) thinking he’d do well as one of our fast moving front seven, i know he didn’t bang them in for you but overall how he do?
Looked encouraging early doors & scored a couple. After a few weeks of floundering in Latics one up top with no support system, he started to look like a fish out of water & just as bad as the rest of our team.
He’d also got injured whilst still at Grimsby in late December & it became clear (when he was playing with his thigh heavily strapped up) that it was still causing him issues from pretty much day one at Latics & he didn’t play from late March/early April until the end of the season.So, the jury’s still out on him to be honest
Who the hell’s he??? I should’ve won
That would have been good, first time a ref walked off with a match ball[/quote]
I always walk off with it – they don’t get it back till I’ve been paid!!!!
I am in the ‘ABE’ club. Anybody But England.
I might be getting on abit these days but I just don’t get it.[/quote]I especially hate the guts of Raheem Sterling. He epitomises the tossers. Whatever happened to us having players called Stan, Billy, Bobby etc?[/quote]
Bit racist[/quote]
Trying to work out why that was racist.[/quote]
Talking about Raheem Sterling and saying what happened to names like Stan Billy Bobby. No mention of Eric Joe Gary or Harry, just Raheem.[/quote]
I bet you think the milky bar kid is a member of the KKK.[/quote]
I’m not saying it was the original poster’s intent, but I can see why someone might think that there are some racist overtones in what was said.
I don’t like Raheem Sterling, but if I was to say that he epitomised what is wrong with the modern English footballer my explanation may be a little longer than asking what happened to names like Bobby, Stan & Billy.
What has his name got to do with anything?We finished second bottom last season but that’s not fair. We should get a petition going to get us re-instated in the Championship.
Maybe Lisa Nandy may help us.Fook knows what you’re drinking lad but to say its not fair we got relegated is way off the mark we played anti football and bored everyone to death next season will be different under Cookie[/quote]
I think he’s taking the pish out of the types of people for whom the results of the Euro referendum & recent general election didn’t go their way & who have started up petitions to change the result or stop the winner taking office
Not for me – scored a couple of spectacular goals but I thought his contribution beyond that was minimal
Grigg and Bogle would have been a lot better in a team who attacked and actually tried to score goals. It is dead easy to use the “couldn’t make the step up” cliche to mask the real problem. Stats don’t lie. Any forward scores a percentage of the chances he gets the more chances obviously the more goals he gets.We created very little yet expected the forwards to score when we did. If our players were so bad then how come,We were only relegated next to last game of season
Out of the 24 games lost 22 were by a single goal
We failed to score in 20 games.
Surely that tells us that the policy of playing not to lose backfired spectacularly. Does anyone honestly think that the players would have enjoyed the way they were asked to play. No wonder the form of certain players suffered but it shouldn’t make them the scapegoats for the piss poor way they were managed. Caldwell and Joyce got us relegated the lads were doing their jobs and obeying instructions. Some players granted should never have been allowed near the team but again its down to the management and yet again would have affected the morale and form of the team. Lets see this season under a lad who has a proven record as a coach how much the lads improve on the field.
The signs were there last season that Grigg would find the step up a struggle. He has the brain to get in the right positions to get goal scoring opportunities but he isn’t blessed with pace & at a higher level he needed that as the defenders he’s up against are that much fitter & faster. His slower pace was there last season as were games when he missed plenty of sitters in a team that was creating loads – logic should have dictated that he would get fewer chances & he couldn’t afford to be as sloppy in his finishing at times.
These were the reasons that Michael O’Neill didn’t play him during the Euros & why he was stuck behind players in the pecking order that many at Latics considered inferior to him.
Same with the likes of Power, Perkins, Warnock, Jacobs etc..As for Bogle none of us have any idea about whether he’d actually be good enough in a Championship team that tried to attack as he was stepping up 2 divisions
Also, I’m sorry but if you’re going to use the argument that we only got relegated in the next to last game, only lost by more than 1 goal in 2 games as proof that the players weren’t that bad then you can’t not apply the same argument to the 3 managers we had.
Don’t get me wrong, we had 3 poor managers but you can’t escape the fact that the players weren’t good enough either. We attacked early doors under Caldwell & lost, then went defensive under him & lost. They were defensive under Joyce & lost. They were defensive in some & attacking in others under Barrow & still lost – different managers using in many cases different players & none of them were good enough (players or managers).
That squad is good enough to stroll Lge1 next season if it’s kept together. However were Latics to be put back in the Championship next season under Cook they would still struggle
Burn will stay. We are an ambitious club and that’s why Cooky left the new money at Portsmouth and a much bigger club by joining us.
Hope your right lad I’m convinced we have the players always have been we just had poor managers who simply couldn’t get it right. If we keep the same squad as finished the campaign and just tweak it I don’t see how we wont in the promotion picture.[/quote]
Poor managers didn’t help but we didn’t have the players to survive in the Championship either – certainly “up top” anyway.
We went into that division last season with exactly the same front line as we’d had the season before & it contained 1 guy released/sold on 2 occasions by Championship clubs (Grigg), another sold/released on more than one occasion by a championship club (Jacobs) & one we’d bought the season before who was sold by a Championship club (& the other clubs in that division weren’t exactly beating a path to his door to get him in when it was obvious that he was for sale) to us not 6 months before. That should have had the warning lights flashing yet the club hierarchy were arrogant enough to assume that coz it had worked in Lge1 it would work in the Championship but all 3 lacked the guile & nouse for a higher level &, bar Wildschut, lacked the pace needed as well.
The midfield was one paced & couldn’t get up to support the lone front man quick enough.
In Bogdan & Haugaard we also had 2 of the worst keepers that I’ve ever seen don the Latics glovesJoyce was awful & he took a poor team & made it worse but I think part of his tactic was governed by the knowledge that the squad he inheritted wasn’t good enough in these areas. Like I said though his signings & tactics only made it worse.
But we had 3 different managers who all approached the games differently but we got poor results under them all. That to me suggests the quality of the players (in certain areas) was to blame
When the IRA was at its height the British govt introduced internment without trial for IRA suspects. It didn’t work then & is widely acknowledged as one of the best recruitment tools that the IRA ever had.
Reintroducing a version of it now or implementing the frankly ludicrous idea of imprisoning a suspected/actual terrorists family after they’ve committed an act would merely repeat the same mistakes from 30/40 years ago.That’s not to say they should be treated with kid gloves & they need to be hit hard – a foreign national who preaches jihad over here deport them & never let them back in, even if it means they’ll be persecuted wherever they get sent back to. British national & you preach jihad, try & recruit then jail & solitary confinement for the length of the sentence. Go to fight for or train with one of the international groups, then you ain’t getting back in.
But please learn the lessons of history
If they do think of getting loanees in, all I hope is that they ask the parent clubs to send em here on trial first to see whether they’re any good as opposed to how it seems to have gone over the last few years I.e. We’ll take whoever you offer us & agree to play them, if fit, regardless of whether they’re crap or not
