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Intelligent is subjective though – Some of Einstein’s school teachers thought he was retarded & he failed the entrance exanm to get into a decent school (initially).
On the football pitch was Gomez intelligent for picking out McManaman with that pass to set up the 2nd goal in the FA Cup Semi-Final or was McManaman more intelligent for making the run into space in the first place? Likewise with McEachran & Fortune on Saturday
So I’m completely sitting on the fence with this one – He’s alright. Does some good stuff & does some bad stuff and that’s it.
He polarises opinion coz some people like players who are gonna give you blood, guts & 120% commitment whereas others like players with a bit more craft & guile. Those in the first camp exaggerate his weaknesses & those in the second camp exaggerate his strengthsI had a few pints with him one night when I living in St Helens as my (ex) Mrs knew his.Nice bloke. Crap boxer and goalkeeper though.
He currently runs Sutton Boxing Club in St Helens
And in the dim & distant past his mum once kicked 7 shades out of my mother-in-law so maybe that’s where he gets his boxing ability fromBig Joe was a doorman at the time wasn’t he?Tony Pennock Latics legend. Coventry FA Cup away must be in most Latics lads top 5 away games who were around at that time. Darren Pattereson, Donny Page, Ray Wood etc
Pitch invasions and good old fashioned football mayhem in general.
It was a good un alright although as it was the first football game I’d ever drank beer before & after (I was 15 at the time) my recollections of it are a bit hazy
I’m not sure if you can class those three as pointless. Sinclair made quite a few appearances that season (and scored in a cup game), but turned out not to be as good as everyone expected. Van Aaanholt was a good player but it was his attitude that got him ostracised.I think Henriquez (I wish it had been Hernandez) was brought in purely as back up as we were desperately short of strikers.
If you’re looking at pointless signings made be Martinez I’d look more towards Nouha Dicko and Filip Orsula.
That’s the point I was making about loan signings though. As they’re a short term fix, there’s no point bringing them in unless you’re gonna play them & as such are better than what you have fit & available.
In that respect, if it was his attitude that stank you can probably strike Van Aanholt from the “pointless” list but I can’t with the other two. Coz they weren’t any better than Latics had available at the time & Bobby didn’t even seem to know how best to utilise SinclairWith Dicko & Orsula I can understand them even if they’ve both gone without barely making a dent on the first team squad. They were both signed as potential & ones for the future & I can understand that with a young, long term deal but not with someone you’re only gonna have for a year
For pointless permanent ones from Bobby I guess the Lopez one would be top of my list – after months of faffing round with legal bods at UEFA & FIFA to get em to rule on his contract status (& the money that legal wrangling undoutedly cost) I thought he must be somet special. Unfortunately for the 2 & a half seasons he was a member of the squad, Bobby only seemed prepared to play him if it was a choice between Lopez & me for that last centre half spot
Guiessepe PaladinoThat has to go down as a classic Latics signing
Brought in solely as an emergency player & to play in Latics cup game at Coventry after Phil Hughes broke his finger & whoever the back up keeper was (Adkins I assume) was also injured.
Someone at Latics hadn’t done their homework though & he was cup tied having played for St Helens Town in a qualifying round. Hence Latics had to go begging round the league to find a keeper that a club didn’t mind having (or wasn’t already) cup tied & wound up with Tony Pennock from StockportFor once I guess I’ll have to agree with you as it seems I read it wrong.
My other point still stands though, coz those that seem to back him always blame his mistakes on others – he gets caught with the ball & its his team mates fault coz they hadn’t made themselves available. He puts in a shoite pass & its his team mates fault for not being intelligent enough to make the run.
Much like your if he had better players round him he’d be a stand out player, but lets not get into that again!! :P ;)
Most of the time (IMO) when he does those things its his fault but he’s not the only one to do it & he does get more grief than others when he does. He can have great games & he can have stinkers too – again just like anybody elseSurely a pointless signing is one which was never needed in the first place rather than one who didn’t turn out to be very good.
The Beed using Taibi as an example doesn’t work – United needed a keeper & they signed one. That he turned out to be total garbage doesn’t make it pointless.At latics I’d probably go with 3 of Bobby’s loan signings – Sinclair, Van Aanholt & Hernandez.
If you’re gonna bring someone in on loan then you need to be 100% sure that you’re gonna use them whilst they’re with the club. To bring someone like that in & then hardly ever use them just smacks of going to a club, asking if they had anyone you could loan & simply taking who they offered without doing any kind of research or scouting of em.
I’m sure that’s not what happened but that’s how it looked from the outside looking inOur most tackled player! your having a laugh, very rarely loses the ball and when he does you can hear the groans and moans, …….. the problem he has is when players in front of him are too static and that is when he’ll end up turning around and passing back or get caught in possession much to the displeasure of some of the thick tw*t that sit near me!Which is it?? he either rarely loses the ball or he keeps getting caught in possession (because the other players aren’t good enough). You’ve contradicted yourself a bit there
My own view on Gomez is that he is capable of producing bits of skill or picking out passes that no other player in the squad is capable of doing. On the flip side he can often be too slow in speed of thought & body and wants too much time on the ball. He can also be guilty of backing out of challenges that he is favourite to win.
He doesn’t deserve the stick he gets from some quarters every time he makes a mistake coz there are plenty of players who make more mistakes than him, nor does he deserve to be lauded as the greatest, most intelligent player we have.
In my opinion there are beter than him & there are worse than himThe “gomez is cr@p”/”Gomez shuts em up” threads every time he makes a mistake or does somet good are getting tiring though
Can’t say i know a massive amount about him or how good he is but was central midfield really that much of a priority to strengthen when Latics already have Watson, McCann, McArthur, Gomez, Powell & Espinoza??
But it isn’t just a matter of a couple of hours on a plane.A two hour flight, from training ground to team hotel turns into a five hour hassle. Then there’s the arrival back into the UK late at night/ in the early hours, and the disruption it causes to training schedules and routines.
Add the trip to Maribor to a busy December and January – where there’s a game every four-and-a-half days, and of course it’ll take its toll.
It’s not a stand-alone excuse as to why they may be more tired than players from another team, but it’s certainly an important contributing factor, and you only need to look at the generally poor domestic seasons of smaller clubs who have had a stint in Europe.
Playing in Europe is like having an extra three midweek cup games in Bournemouth.
Rosler may have picked the team poorly, but he may have had to pick that team because some his players looked jaded in training during the week – who knows?
Whatever the reason, he doesn’t seem the type of man to say fatigue was an issue if there wasn’t an element of truth in that.
I’m not saying that it doesn’t effect (or is it affect? I never know!!) the immediate aftermath of the Europan away game but I can’t agree that a trip to Maribor in December, a trip to Kazan in November & a trip to Belgium in September had any effect on a performance in Doncaster in mid to late January. And I’m talking just in terms of the travelling as you mentioned it as a separate factor to the number of games
There are numerous factors why a smaller club may have less succesful domestic seasons when playing in Europe but I don’t think travel time is one other than for a game immediately afterwardsTrue, we don’t know why he picked the team that he did but I don’t see what’s changed from the MK Don’s original cup tie (after they’d played 4 games in 10 days) to the Doncaster league game (after they’d played 3.3 games in 14 days) including a week with no midweek fixture where they’d all been saying how that would enable them to recharge their batteries
They’ve also had less travelling to doYour previous post I agree with & your comment in the second one about the squad’s fitness but it’s clutching at straws a bit to say that a 2 day trip to Slovenia over a month ago is having any bearing on their performances now. Or for that matter one to Russia 2 months ago. And as for one back in September which they were (probably) flown to & from in less time than a fixture to Bournemouth travelling on the coach :blink: :blink:
As for why Saturday’s performance was so poor – in all honesty it was probably a bit of all 3 plus possibly underestimating Doncaster & them playing well.
I did think it was refreshing after the poor performance in the first MK Dons game that Rosler specifically said it had nowt to do with the hectic fixture schedule so I was a bit disappointed to hear him blame it on exactly that just 2 weeks (& 3 games later).
That probably indicates to me that he knows he got a few things wrong but then again I’d never expect to hear any manager say in the aftermath of a game for example that he picked some of the wrong players in the wrong positions & in the wrong systemHow would Ellington have been without Roberts?
Is that the Nathan Ellington that scored 34 goals in a season and a half without Jason Roberts and 33 in a season and a half with him? ;)
Holt didn’t get the service here too often but when he did he was too lazy to do anything.[/quote]
And whose career went down the skids when the partnership was broken up?? ;)
I think the original implication was how would he have been had he been stuck up front on his own all the time
Steve Bruce not a very good centre half??? Are you having a giraffe?? It was an absolute farce that he never got an England cap especially when you consider some of the muppets who got caps ahead of him
Mind you I did once get bought his autobiography for Xmas off an auntie (no idea why) & it is quite comfortably the dullest book I have ever read – although I haven’t read the fiction books he wrote yetBest pre premier league Latics left backs? Allen Tankard & Steve McMillan
Oh & as a right back by trade who can play at left back I resent the implication that this is the position where a team sticks all its duffers!!! :blink: :blink:
