I would dispute the idea that the lightside offer nothing constructive.Think you have that the wrong way round.I would say that the lightside are 100% constructive & the darkside are destructive most of the time. The lightside mantra seems to involve supporting the team & supporting the manager,how can this not be constructive ? This is what football fans are supposed to do isnt it ?

I fail to see anything remotely constructive about continually slagging off a managers every move and decision, calling him a clueless clown & generally kicking up the same old stink day after day,hour after hour. How on earth is that constructive?

If the lightside offer criticism it is generally levelled at those supporters as mentioned in the above paragraph who spend all day on here repeatedly criticising the team & the manager.

As supporters we are all equal & entitled to our opinion. But the darkside by token of their continual criticism aim their criticism of the manager & seem to think they are far more qualified to run a football club than he is despite their lack of qualifications,professional experience of playing & managing a football club.

Still i bet youre all shit hot at Champ Manager :dry:

37,600 against two clubs who are still in the Champions League – it can still be done if just 22401 show up on Wednesday night for the visit of one of the most famous clubs in the World. I believe the scousers have played their part in selling all their tickets, and it appears that about 1,000 of them bought tickets in the South Stand for the Chelsea game, then didnt show up, just so they had a booking history.

Hope you put your tenner that you won on the 4-nations attendance on this one Rodders as it would make a very Merry Xmas for you![/quote]

What fascinating but ultimately flawed on many level analysis there by the cockneylatics prize dunce Mutty. You seem to be saying that Wigan Athletics support can be judged by who it is they are playing. Why should it matter who Wigan Athletic are playing : Wigan Athletic fans go to watch Wigan Athletic not the opposition.

Wigan Athletics highest and lowest crowd of the season are 15796 and 19280 in either case, no more than a deviation of 1591/1893 from the seasonal average of 17689 and no more than 3484 people turning up to the most attended game than the least attended game.

What a remarkable example of resilience amongst Wigans football fans

Sadly with the rugby support consisting of a large number of out of town day trippers it seems this doesnt hold true in the oval ball code as although Wigan Warriors managed 24057 in their most attended game, a massive 11244 fans go missing when it comes to the clubs lowest league attendance (12813)

Are rugby fans really that fickle?

Maybe Saints bring 11244 fans, that would explain it

So the natural conclusion we can draw from this fact based analysis is that most Wigan Atletic fans turn up week in, week out ( 80% of them ) regardless of the opposition whereas Wigan Warriors fans only turn up for the big games with nearly 50% of them going missing when the lesser lights go to town.

Still I’m not surprised after all we won the league and you were fighting relegation. Oh no hang on I got that bit the wrong way round :dry:

Anyway, thanks for highlighting how loyal football fans are and how fickle rugby fans are when it comes to their respective league campaigns.

You really do help to reaffirm just what a loyal bunch our Latics fans are

Or Wigan rugby & United

Or Wigan rugby & Liverpool

Well what are we wating for. Lets get him back & let him finish the job he started
Bankrupting us :huh:

Let him have his moment,he’s been proven wrong for 2 & half yrs now.Loudmouth’s entitled to gloat & positively revel in our demise.at last his personal vendetta against Martinez is being vindicated.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. ;)

In many ways there are similarities between Martinez and Swain in that they both have to manage clubs with very poor crowds and very little available money for the level they are playing at. With a restricted wage bill and small transfer pot,Kenny was restricted to unproven cast offs from Crewe and old past it pals such as Mick Kennedy & Brendan Ormsby. Martinez has to rely on the lowest gates in the division a small wage bill, sell before you can buy & rely on untried foreigners & old pals such as Gomez & Scotland.

Of course many of us have since done our City & Guilds in football finances.As others have said, we get poor crowds,Whelan doesn’t want to invest any more & nor does anyone else. Its not rocket science to see both then & now that poor crowds/income & lack of investments = weaker squad & poor results at any level of football.

Both Swain & Martinez are / where relatively inexperienced at the level they operate at but also work ( ed ) under the kind of financial restrictions that are / were likely to prevent any sort of sustained challenge up the table

The main difference is there were 1500 Latics fans then many of whom voiced their disapproval at the time but you could argue had earned their right to as they had paid their money through the turnstiles. If we’d got dicked 3-0 at Colchester or Scunthorpe you wouldn’t have an army of bedwetters..er bedroom dwellers and pub goers on here dissecting the tactics minutes after or even during the game who have watched it on a live feed.

I suppose if it came down to a vote Martinez would romp it over Swain seeing as 90% of the 15000 who watch us now were nowhere to be seen when Kenny Swain was manager and therefore don’t have a clue how bad we were :dry:

I’d go with Deehan because he had decent financial resources compared to the other two and chose to play negative, defensive dross on so many occasions when he had the players to be more attack minded

Why is it a good post ? As everyone can see It has NO RELEVANCE WHATSOEVER to the subject matter being discussed

Do you two need a hand moving those goalposts?

Im not interested in changing the subject thank you, Id rather you responded to the facts I have presented on this issue rather than coming out with a load of random speculation about something else

The whole inference from the post which mutty tried to embarrass Griff over was that Wigan Warriors get behind their team when in danger of relegation or darkest days or when the going gets tough or whatever emotive language you want to call finishing between 6th & 8th for a few years in a league which you cant even get relegated from now at all whereas Wigan Athletic fans desert their team when faced with similar circumstances.

Let’s have a recap of the facts which I have presented to prove that you are talking BS :

1 Using Muttys own facts which he used to prove that Wigan Warriors crowd increased dramatically when they faced ‘dark days’, the average attendance only actually went up by 203 for the last three months of this terrible, dreadful season ( where WW actually finished 8th ) so much for getting behind the team in it’s period of adversity.
2 I then pointed out the respective rise in Wigan Athletics attendances over a similar period when faced with a similar situation, it went up by 1465, seven times more. Your attempts to state this is down to away fans in home ends is speculative, incorrect and quite frankly ludicrous
3 During this period of so called adversity Wigan Warriors generally finished between 6th-8th which in a 12/14 team league Im sure that everyone would agree is no worse than mid-table, hardly any need for all the dramatics around how tough RL fans in the town have had it. Try finishing 17th, 14th, 11th ( ooh the halcyon days ), 16th & 16th for the past five years and never more than a few points away from relegation and let’s see how resolute your fans are
4 But we know the answer to this, attendances dropped below 5k. When Wigan Warriors were actually relegated they posted such crowds as 3216 v Huyton or 3146 at home to Dewsbury.

Again, these are facts and facts knock speculation into a cocked hat. Maybe one day you will come back with some :?

This kind of sums you and your ilk quite well.

And this kind of sums up what you and your ilk do when confronted with facts