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Let me throw my pennys worth in on the Bruce V Whelan.
Fair play Whelan sets the budgets for the manager i.e cuts or increases expenditure.
But he does this because he has to not out of choice!
The same cannot be said for Bruce while he used that budget to sign the likes of Krappo , De Riddled, Won Chee No & Kingston Town while also having the advantage of seeing these mongs in action previously (maybe a little harsh on the Korean).
It has been for the past 3 seasons Martinez’s aim to get the likes of this crap off the books with their mega wages including a certain keeper who cant sit on a bench without getting fecking injured!
How is that Whelan’s fault? If the managers had of used the funds they had been given wisely we would of been in a better situation on their departure without the need to count our copper jar!
Undoutedly Bruce signed some whoppers but then again (as pointed out by the lightside at times in defence of Bobby), so does every manager – within his budget, Bobby has brought in Scotland, Boselli, Moreno, Thomas, Stojkovic, Sammon (I think the lad has some potential but I know he aint everybody’s cup of tea), that god awful defender who came with Diame, Lopez & that is just off the top of my head.
Admittedly not all are at the cost level of Bruce’s signings but if Bobby had used the funds he’s been given wisely then we’d be in a better position on their departure without the need to count our copper jar.
Also, when saying that Bruce should have spent his money wisely, even with the duffers you mentioned he had Latics challenging for Europe & I’ve no doubt would have got the club to its highest ever league finish. Again operating within the budget given to him
I don’t understand your comment that Whelan sets a budget coz “he has to & not out of choice” – every club operates on a budget from United, Chelsea & City to Barnet & Northampton. No club (not even those backed by oil billionaires) can spend an endless amount of cash no matter what it might look like. Just some clubs budgets are bigger than others. bruce operated under the budget given to him by Whelan & then that budget was altered downwards as Whelan had every right to do. If Bobby had been manager back in bruce’s reign then he would have spent just as much (to a varying degree of success no doubt), he spends less now because he has less to spend & that aint the fault of previous managers.
You also mention a keeper who can’t sit on a bench without getting injured. Maybe, but 1) he wasn’t signed by Bruce, 2) that keepers appearance record under Bruce was superb because Bruce was able to manage his training schedule & 3) that keepers performances under Steve Bruce were superb too – it was only under Bobby that both his performances & injury record suffered[/quote]Moreno and Stojkovic were loans so nothing lost.
And Hendry Thomas was technically Steve Bruce’s signing he was refused a work permit the first time around because he chose to play in the olympics instead of the Honduras pro national team if memory serves me correctly but the deal was pushed through anyway probably because he was recognised as the best honduras player out of him palacios and figs at the time and we wouldnt want to do a birmingham e.g. letting palacios go!! think he was Honduras captain too at the time.
So with Lopez and Sammon still in with a chance of coming good it does not leave you with many poor Martinez signings to back up your argument…
Oh yeah before I got sidetracked by Ye Olde Bent nose debate I came on to make a relevant point to the topic at hand!
I know it has not worked for us previously but would it be worth giving Jones the nod should Martinez depart for pastures new?
On the back of a good season surely if he maintains the same principals we would be okay?…
Let me throw my pennys worth in on the Bruce V Whelan.
Fair play Whelan sets the budgets for the manager i.e cuts or increases expenditure.
But he does this because he has to not out of choice!
The same cannot be said for Bruce while he used that budget to sign the likes of Krappo , De Riddled, Won Chee No & Kingston Town while also having the advantage of seeing these mongs in action previously (maybe a little harsh on the Korean).
It has been for the past 3 seasons Martinez’s aim to get the likes of this crap off the books with their mega wages including a certain keeper who cant sit on a bench without getting fecking injured!
How is that Whelan’s fault? If the managers had of used the funds they had been given wisely we would of been in a better situation on their departure without the need to count our copper jar!
Just moving away from the gags for a moment, has anyone noticed that you cant get a thin sliced loaf any more ? Its either medium or toastie ( Thick ) !
.. and actually have you compared the thickness of medium and thick? They’re the same :ohmy:[/quote]
Some brands are but some are definitely different ie Warburtons ![/quote]
Can second that Medium (blue) and Thick (orange) definatly have a noticable difference in thickness..
The green extra thick one is belting for a BLT on toast although I cant remember seeing it about for a while…[/quote]
BLT? Thought you were from Salford…or it is more Worsley? Posh get!What’s wrong with a bog standard bacon butty?[/quote]
Swinton to be exact so I’m inbetween the two…
Would never turn down a bit of bacon but the L and T compliments the B very well IMO… B)
Funny how the people who would begrudge him going to Liverpool are the same people who were calling for his head 6 months ago!!!!!!
I know it can be a bit frustrating hearing Whelan talking up players/managers that come good as if to put them in the shop window but surely this is one of our biggest attractions to young talented players that they can follow a similar route as the likes of Valencia without the club digging their heels in.
Look at the likes of Blackburn holding on to an unhappy Samba it didnt get them very far did it!!!
Anyway Dave Whelan is just being realistic maybe some on here should give it a try.
You look over to the bench and see Connor Sammon and Michael Owen sat there, who do you tell to warm up?
Connor Sammon shouldn’t even be on the bench in the first place he is quite simply not good enough so your closing statement is a poor comparison to be fair ![/quote]
Are you being deliberately thick, Phil? Clearly JRs inference is that Sammon is nowhere near the player that Owen is, and you agree with him, so it’s a fantastic comparison.[/quote]
My thoughts exactly but I couldnt be arsed getting into that one.
I can be arsed getting into this one though.. Jason Scotland over Sammon …. All that pinapple express is going to your head Filly and you’re losing your memory…
Sammon can at least push on against tiring defenders in the latter minutes of the game and looks like if he can sort his elephant first touch out he may score a few goals.. Scotland offered nothing in his time here whatsoever.
Released from Man Utd
We are all well aware of how desperate Dave Whelan has been in trying to sign him for about 8 years. He is in the twilight of his career and is the only thing we slightly lack for me. A six yard box striker, A poacher. A two year deal and relegation escape clause is very realistic now in my view. Especially as he more or less needs to stay local for his stables. Bolton and Blackburn going have paved the way for us to make a firm first move. Can’t see Whelan and Martinez idling on this one if they think something can be done. He would suit our style perfectly providing he can keep fit.
yosser,
did you desert the ‘never going again (until Whelan has spent some of his millions on players)’ brigade when things started to look up towards the back end of the season?[/quote]No big mouth, i still haven’t been. And he still needs to spend. If anything to let Martinez carry on what looks like he has maybe started. Sorry but no matter how good we have been for 2 or 3 months, nobody could envisage how 3 years of crap turned Barca style at the end. Not even the hardened fans. Yeah it looks good but it did at the end of last season too. Needs to be built on and money still needs to be spent. You can only do so much with the standard of (i’d say half) of the team.[/quote]
You expect Whelan to pour in millions when you cant even be arsed turning up :huh:
I’m not going to say that the “Barca” style football could of been predicted but I think the more level headed posters on here could see things slowly but surely improving.
And you cant really compare the back end of the 10/11 season to the 11/12 as 10/11 was in large parts due to Charles indivdual performances… I think its fair to say the whole team stepped up to a new level at the back end of this season.
Just moving away from the gags for a moment, has anyone noticed that you cant get a thin sliced loaf any more ? Its either medium or toastie ( Thick ) !
.. and actually have you compared the thickness of medium and thick? They’re the same :ohmy:[/quote]
Some brands are but some are definitely different ie Warburtons ![/quote]
Can second that Medium (blue) and Thick (orange) definatly have a noticable difference in thickness..
The green extra thick one is belting for a BLT on toast although I cant remember seeing it about for a while…
I would have no doubt that if Owen was supplied with the amount of chances we were creating at the back end of last season he would put a decent amount in the back of the net.
But having just released one expensive crock I dont think we can afford to take on another one.
Is he even fit at the moment?
4-3-3 my *rse (e.g. deployment of D Jones on LHS)Work in progress…2.5 years ??? The back three to a man have all been at the club for a wee while, have they not ?
How long has it taken Rodgers, Swansea, to get his philosophy across, outplaying the likes of City, Arsenal etc. along the way ? Minimal spend since promotion.
Credit on account of Latics recent form is given (see point 5)
League position, points tally under Bruce prior to departure (11th, 45 pts.) Absolute free-fall ??? Poor end to season, yes. So Cattermole and Bramble went (Sunderland) and ??
The reason why we’re now in a much strong position off the field than in recent years(financially) is very much down to D Whelan; conversion of £40M debt to share capital. Take a look at our not so noisy neighbours, Wanderers, £110M in DEBT and consigned to the Championship. Now that’s you may call ABSOLUTE FREE FALL !!
“4-3-3 my *rse (e.g. deployment of D Jones on LHS)”
:huh: Fook me with a point like that who I am to disagree…. what the hell Jones playing on the left side has to do with a combination of three forwards is beyond me but alas I shall humour your championship manager tactical knowledge.
4 defenders — > Figs Alcaraz Caldwell Boyce
3 Midfielders — > Jones Mccarthy Diame
3 Forwards — > Gomez Di santo Mosesturning into:
3 Defenders —> Figs Alcaraz Cladwell
2 wingbacks —> Jean Boycie
2 Midfielders —> Mac n Mac
3 Forwards —> Maloney Di Santo and MosesThere it is…. if you want to further argue the case you can go speak to Roberto who says its 3 forwards and is in a good position to do so as they are his tactics.
“How long has it taken Rodgers, Swansea, to get his philosophy across, outplaying the likes of City, Arsenal etc. along the way ? Minimal spend since promotion”
Took him no time at all because its not his philosophy they pretty much play the same system as when Martinez was in charge.
“League position, points tally under Bruce prior to departure (11th, 45 pts.) Absolute free-fall ??? Poor end to season, yes. So Cattermole and Bramble went (Sunderland) and ?? ”
If you think we would have had a good season under Bruce the next time round you are a deluded fool. Dont get me started on how much the ugly git spent in his time here that has already been covered previously in much detail.
“The reason why we’re now in a much strong position off the field than in recent years(financially) is very much down to D Whelan; conversion of £40M debt to share capital. Take a look at our not so noisy neighbours, Wanderers, £110M in DEBT and consigned to the Championship. Now that’s you may call ABSOLUTE FREE FALL !! ”
Nice try at pretending you know what you are talking about but the £40M debt to Whelan was never being repaid so had nil effect on our finances apart from it looking alot better on the balance sheet e.g. more viable investment to potential buyers unlike Roberto’s reduction of wage bill which has had a massive impact while also creating a v.strong squad capable of competing in the premier league.
Perhaps a chance for us now to attract new fans from the local areas??
Just a thought, but there must be people who just want to watch Premiership football and at our prices who can grumble?
Why would people from Blackburn or Bolton want to watch Wigan? If Wigan had’ve been relegated & they hadn’t, would you go to watch either of those teams in the Prem? Stupid idea. :silly:[/quote]
Fair point short term.
But long term (its highly likely both wont come up first time of trying) it should certainly help.
The clamour for Martinez’ services seems to be gathering pace.Cause for reflection for a moment (Bobby) :
(1) We went into ‘this season with our strongest squad’ (Martinez)
(2) 15 HOME games in we had only beaten QPR at home – disgraceful.
(3) 8 defeats on the bounce (Messers Morgan /Wolves and Fernandez /QPR would have taken the matter in their own hands (Whelan did not))
(4) When all else had failed and we appeared dead and buried, one last throw of the dice (formation change from turgid 4-5-1 to 3-4-3)
(5) The last 2-3 months have arguably shown Wigan Athletic in a light never seen beforeArguably, the cause for reciprocation of loyalty is now greater than ever. Come on Bob, push Whelan to deliver close season on improving quality of playing squad, go deliver next season and take us to a top 10 (next level) to really put yourself in the shop window. Let us prove that this was not a 3 month one-off wonder. 3 successive games won AND counting (into next season …).
Real success next season would also make us more marketable to a greater number of candidates (if we are seen to show genuine ambition).
First of all we never played a 4-5-1 it was a 4-3-3 which is blatently obvious to everyone with a set of eyeballs apart from you and Tyldsley…
Switching to a back 3 was not simply a throw of the dice but an obvious work in progress credit where credit is due ey…
“Arguably, the cause for reciprocation of loyalty is now greater than ever.”
Arguably indeed considering he left a team that was drawing applause across two nations to join a team close to his heart that were in absolute free fall after a second attempt at a sobatage mission by ye olde bent nose.
Arguably, the cause for reciprocation of loyalty is now greater than ever in that Martinez has put us in the strongest position we have been on and off the pitch in the history of club and should give him our best wishes should he wish to move on and better his career.
Roberto Martinez owes Wigan Athletic nothing.
