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I’m in Cyprus now having a jolly good time so I will have to prolong the suspense ….
I think it is worth the wait, worthy to be used as the Cockney Latic banner.
Off to catch some 25 degree sun …..Old people and computers eh !Yes.
So, how do I post a picture on here that’s in JPEG format on my computer.
It shouldn’t be that complicated should it? I eventually gave up last night and went for a pint.One is the world’s best football player the other is Lionel Messi.
Just to reignite this debate, I was talking to a contractor at work (a Liverpool fan) yesterday about the game & he made the comment that “it was all the more amazing that you won with 10 men coz that Gomez was $h!te”
I’ll let everybody argue over that one[/quote]
More importantly, do you think Gomez ‘was sh!te’?[/quote]I didn’t see enough of Sunday’s game to comment (only got to see ITV’s highlights).
What I did say to this Scouser was that he was our marmite player & Latics fans either loved him or hated him.
I said that personally I could see the stuff he is capable of that no other player in our squad can do but that I can also see the bad stuff he does. Also that whilst I don’t think he warrants the lofty regard some hold him in, nor do i think that he warrants the stick he gets from sections of the crowd who will give his mistakes more grief than the mistakes of other players.
So basically I sat on the fence & disproved my claim that everyone either loves him or hates him!! ;)One thing this fella said was that when he was watching it & Gomez stepped up to take the penalty was that he hadn’t even realised he was playing coz he’d not seen him do anything or even heard him mentioned up to that point[/quote]
Those of us who defend Jordi on here don’t hold him in any kind of lofty regard. We know his faults and we know his capabilities. We elevate him to a state of loftiness to defend him against – and to wind up – the morons who think it’s justified to boo him for his mistakes when other players are forgiven theirs.
He seems to be enjoying a period of fan worship at the moment but I shouldn’t expect it to last.
What have Oscar Pistorius and Manchester City got in common?
They lost both legs and only got four shots on target.
The offside law is:
“A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:interfering with play or
interfering with an opponent or
gaining an advantage by being in that position”FIFA also add that:
“interfering with play” means playing or touching the ball passed or touched by a team-mate
• “interfering with an opponent” means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or challenging an opponent for the ball
• “gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball i.e. that rebounds or is deflected to him off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent having been in an offside positionLooking at those definitions then Lescott wasn’t offside because at the moment the ball was kicked by Nasri, Lescott wasn’t obstructing Carson’s line of vision. That seems to be the explanation that ITV said the ref’s group had given along with him not touching the ball.
So if you stick rigidly to that wording then you can justify not giving an offside
BUT
You don’t have to touch the ball just “play” it & that can mean attempting to kick it & missing. Can jumping out of the way at the last second when you are obstructing the path/view of the ball count as playing it coz a dummy can be seen as playing it. In my opinion it is
Also this “at the moment the ball is kicked” if taken literally wouldn’t apply to half the offside decisions correctly given. Take for example of an attacker is trying to get back from an offside position & his team mate hoofs the ball over the top of the defence. At that moment, by the above definition he is not committing an offside offence. But after the ball has bounced, he takes a look, thinks he can put some pressure on the keeper (who is coming out to punt it back upfield) & decides to chase after the ball, the keeper has to put a sprint on & due to pressure from this attacker has to just kick it out of play. He’d then get signalled for offside & the assistant would be correct
But if you go off what ITV said the ref’s group justified Lescott not being given offside for then the above example shouldn’t be eitherIn Sunday’s incident, Lescott is offside but committing no offence when the ball is kicked. However as he is in that offside position he then moves across the flight of the ball & obstructs Carson’s view of it. Meaning he’s interfered with an opponent. For me the last second jump (essentially a dummy) means he plays the ball so he interferes with play & finally he’s gained an advantage coz if he hadn’t been stood there, he wouldn’t have been able to run the path he took, block the keeper’s view of the ball & make a last milli second jump out of the way.
Taking Latics out of the equation, if I was on the line & that exact same incident happened I would alert the ref that there was a fella offside who although he didn’t touch the ball looked like he may have been interfering with play & it sthen up to the ref to decide whether they were as they would have a better position to decide.
In fairness to the assistant on Sunday, If I’m on an NPL game, the only way I can do that is by sticking my flag up but in Sunday’s game they were mic’d up so the chances are that the assistant did say something but the ref decided Lescott wasn’t interfering with playIMO though if ITV reported exactly what the ref’s group said then it doesn’t stand up to scrutiny because they are not the only times when an offside can be given
Sorry for boring ya!! :P
If you don’t mind I’ll not read that just now – I’m going away in July and I’ll need something to read by the pool.[/quote]
I’ll spoil the ending for you; the ref got it wrong!
Thanks for the detailed response TL. I was hoping you’d chirp in and glad you also support the claim that it should have been given offside.
That should be a factor of course. But whether Lescott is interfering with play or not is a matter of opinion rather than fact.It seems that the referee thought that either Lescott was not interfering with play, or that Lescott was onside.
But he was not necessarily fully informed or correct. It’s another cause of controversy.
It shouldn’t be a matter of opinion at all. The law should be unambiguous and that’s where the problems lies.
I don’t know if the linesman flagged it offside, I assume he didn’t, but he should have done since it was obvious Lescott was in an offside position. Since Lescott lifted his leg to let the ball go past he was clearly interfering with play so the goal should have been disallowed.
The point I have here is that the so called experts are saying the goal should have stood as Lescott wasn’t interfering with play which in my opinion is demonstrably incorrect.Surely the argument is that Carson’s view is restricted by Lescott being in an offside position thereby shortening his reaction time and should therefore be deemed as interfering with play.
What a very strange attitude to take. Not like you, to be fair. Had you had a drink? ;)Maybe Runcorn was the chap who couldn’t walk in a straight line on the trek back to Manchester after the game. He was seriously pissed and after grabbing hold of various people in an attempt to stay upright, then deciding it was a good idea to try and have a conversation a police van, promptly walked into an appropriately named collapsible bollard and went arse over apex.
It was bad enough at 20.35.The two carriage cattle truck to Southport. No one could get on until it emptied at Wigan.None of that Northern Rail crap for me. A nice, spacious Trans-Pennine train back to Chorley was luxury by comparison.
Just got back.The 20.35 from Piccadilly.
Interesting journey back.Kirsty learned a whole new vocabulary.
Fantastic performance today.Much better than Wembley.
What a great battling 2nd half performance that was. :cheer: :cheer:
Good decision to delay your journey back. Piccadilly Station at 7 o’clock was like an evacuation zone.
