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Oh right, okay mate. Good one yeah.
You asked why you were given a 1 week ban, but didn’t give a return email address (the one on your profile bounced).
These sort of posts are why!
Stop posting inane unnecessary posts or the next ban will be a permanent one.[/quote]
I wouldn’t say it is inane, I am agreeing with my fellow posters, I don’t feel that backing people up and agreeing or disagreeing should be a ban.[/quote]
Right, good, nice one pal, buddy. Bottled it there pal, eh? Good one pal.Almost A Coppull Mon Walker I am pulling your leg. Having a laugh. Lighten up, we all love the Latics and it’s always the same when times are bad folk on here do nowt but Argy bargy. Sorry if some of the bollocks I talk is not what you like at times but it is bollocks, sometimes brought on by frustration. I should take it out on are Maude or the dog but I am not brave enough so it’s easier to spout crap on here.
You yourself came out with the most sensible post of any last season when you said something about uping tempo. Gary must have read the post cos we did and went on to win the league and how much better did we all feel seeing a few wins. I sincerely hope Joycey will start having some success and will be backing the lads whatever style we play and I know must other real fans like yourself will be too.
Everything gets a bit tit for tat and there’s enough frustration without the fans all falling out. Many times it’s just about the way one person puts over a point ie irony, sarcasm and there’s an element of smugness too with some posters. Some of us may write something but it is just the way it comes over in text format that can make it sound like something else.
Well here’s hoping for two up top tomorrow. (Only joking)Coppull is where I take my rubbish! (skip rubbish)
I’m actually a Springfielder, but moved to Standish 20 years ago.
Okay, let’s park this one here.
The penalty decision today was a stinker, but let,s be honest even in the premiership days, decisions like that were regular occurrences, these days the players are so low in confidence that it takes them such a long while to recover. We were promoted top of the 1st division and thought the squad was better than what it was, central defence has been in constant flux all season, we had a great centre back partnership last season Morgan and pierce gelled very well, the real reason pierce went was after a row with Caldwell not the London excuse, similarly morsey was put out on loan for the same reason, the squad has been weakened by losing both players,today after a great second half performance our late defending was abysmal and I still couldn’t believe that we lost the game.Plus points for me. Not all doom and gloom.
Yannick scored two goals, but for me easily the man of the match was a player whom I only appreciated late in his first spell was jordi gomez who always wants the ball, doesn’t give it away, or get caught in possession unlike perkins or power, today he also made a few good tackles and some excellent defence breaking passes. If we are to stay up he needs to start every game, also nathan Byrne was outstanding when he came on, his pace and quick feet caused ipswich major problems, for me he should be starting every game.Finally I am astonished as to how long a large number of our squad are on the injury list, is there something wrong with our training methods, do we have a physio, or are they all waiting for appointments at Wigan infirmary, can anybody shed any light on this. the club should keep us more informed.
P.s. I don’t post very often, had to get this off my chest, 50 years a latic.
Agree with all of that.
Also, I’ve heard exactly the same with regards to Pearce and Morsy.
Ally, Paul I wouldn’t bother these lovers of all thing Bobby are the new Darksiders!!
Nuneaton as well you are banging your head against a wall with your positive ideas. The new Darksiders will always knock you back with their negative ideas of one up top tedium that just keeps failing us.Where have a defended Martinez in my last post?
Nuneaton said we played a different formation. We didn’t. It was exactly the same.
The way the players went about it was different, but the formation was the exact same one that we’d been using all season.
Bobby won the cup brilliantly with the most un Bob like formation and performance. Espinoza on one flank and Macca on the other tore City apart in the first half and they simply didn’t have the answer. It has to go down as one of the most complete performances ever by the Latics. I’ll never tire of watching the game over and over. Greatest day of my life still get goosebumps thinking about it.
It was exactly the same formation used for most of the season!
The difference was the players were fired up for the game more so than they seemed to be for a rest of the season.[/quote]
What rubbish, we played totally different in that match and the previous matches against Millwall, Everton and Huddersfield. It was like another manager had come in and given the team talk.
The players will have been fired up, of course they would, but the attacking way we played in those matches was so much different from what we had seen all season.
If Bob had put his mind to it, and forgot about his boring tippy tappy, secure the point you already have tactics a bit earlier in each of the seasons we struggled under him, we would have had a more successful PL life, and would probably have stayed up. Afterall, if you can beat Man City in the Cup Final there was certainley no need to fear anyone else.[/quote]
Read what I’ve written.‘It was exactly the same formation used for most of the season!’
ie. 3-4-3
Definitely not ‘un Bob like’.
Bobby won the cup brilliantly with the most un Bob like formation and performance. Espinoza on one flank and Macca on the other tore City apart in the first half and they simply didn’t have the answer. It has to go down as one of the most complete performances ever by the Latics. I’ll never tire of watching the game over and over. Greatest day of my life still get goosebumps thinking about it.It was exactly the same formation used for most of the season!
The difference was the players were fired up for the game more so than they seemed to be for a rest of the season.
Shades of the 2014-15 season however this team is poorer than that in my opinion.
A total lack of ambition will send this club into oblivion if some serious team investment is not made in the new year.
The rot set in in 2009 when we went from an established premier league outfit in the top ten to a club fighting relegation each season.
Yes we won a major trophy in that time but the club has most certainly been in decline since then regardless of that
Last night was like watching schoolboys play their teachers and I realised then that regardless of manager ( ridiculous decision sacking caldwelll btw )we have had it unless changes in playing personnel are made in January and the war chest brought out !.Totally agree Vince. When you know who arrived with his tippy tappy stuff and one up front malarky the club has been in a near permanent state of crisis. People laughed at Bruce, but for me we had our strongest Prem side under him 2008-9….Heskey, Zaki (for a while :ohmy:), Palacios, Valencia etc…
Then El Clueless arrived trying to play Champions League football with Championship players on a non-league pitch :silly:[/quote]
[/size]Bloody foreigners, coming over here with their silly tactics and formations, winning an FA Cup and keeping us in the Premier League against all odds three times.I wonder if we did that on Saturday the board would listen to us and get rid of Yootha?And replace him with who?
That’s the million dollar question.
A reality check guys, in the games we have had with Joyce in charge look who we’ve played (not including Reading cos he was stitched up that game):
Barnsley was on a run of form, scoring goals for fun and we held them to a goaless draw at their gaff.
Huddersfield was in the top 6 and we won – at their gaff.
Derby had won 5 on the bonce when they came to he DW and we were close to winning that game never mind lose.
Villa scored in last couple of minute to snatch a draw they didn’t deserve.
Newcastle were a different class, will probably win the league and i expected nothing more thnan a loss.
4 points out of those 5 games it probably what our best case scenario would have been going into them.The last three games are not the ones thta will define our season, the next two are extremely winnable and I would say if we did win them that we have the confidence we didn’t have in teh homw game against Derby to maybe get at least a draw over at their gaff.
The judgement on Joyce should be on the next two games, not the last 3.
Don’t be coming on here with your praise and optimism.
You’ll be getting yourself a bad name.
Newcastle are the best side i’ve seen at the DW this season, but we gave them a run for their money and came unstuck by our own incompetency… Again!
The fact is it’s quality of player more than tac tics that is our problem. Their first goal was a terrible one to concede, but good run & finish by Diame (combined with a good give & go move). The second came about from really poor decision making by Kellett…Upfront for us, just one shot on target. Players are really beginning to look uneasy to me, long season ahead!
But surely jimmy therein lies the problem. Your spot on we simply don’t have the quality anymore so we have to utilise what we have and keep it as simple as possible. Wing backs and lone strikers are probably the hardest positions for outfield players and are specialist roles. Great wing backs are rare as hens teeth and the lone striker is so reliant on his midfield being up to the mark. Its unfair to expect players to revel in these positions when they are lacking in the talent required to make them work as designed.[/quote]
Maybe a change in formation might work Nuneaton but last night for me, formation wasn’t the problem. I’m all in favour of a good double act up front, think Grigg would definitely benefit from having a partner.
Midfield is the problem as we’ve gotten three who are trying to play the holding role and are too static. Newcastle played lots of give en go passes yesterday one of which led to a goal, that is basic stuff which we don’t seem to be able to do anymore.[/quote]
Also in my opinion, midfield is the problem.And you only make a weak midfield even weaker by taking away one of the midfielders and putting another striker on.
Instead of one striker getting no service, you end up with two getting even less service.
So do you want us to play the old fashioned British way or to find new untapped foreign countries for players which you attribute a lot of our past success to?You can’t have it both ways.
Bloody foreigners coming over here, forcing their tactics on us….
(What have any of those foreign teams ever won anyway?)
Why do people keep going on about waiting till the January window so he can bring in players that fit his style of play? These are not children but a squad of adult, experienced professionals. As such they should be capable of playing in the style that the manager instructs. I think it unlikely that any professional player would deliberately go out and play contrary to their mangers instructions. So either the manager’s tactics are the problem or the players are just not good enough. You watch the games and make up your own mind.Quite a few of the players aren’t good enough in my opinion.
Most are either lower league, or were deemed surplus to requirements at Championship clubs – hence why they signed for us.
Joyce wants to train and play a different way to Caldwell and I think he suspects some of them aren’t up to it.
1 up front argument will rage on but at least 1 striker should actually be a striker……Agreed.
Wildschut did well against Huddersfield, but it’s horses for courses and I thought he looked poor in that position against Derby.
I’d prefer to Grigg playing there but I can see what Joyce is trying to do with Wildschut.
4 out of 20 teams in the Premier League play with 2 central strikers (Leicester, Bournemouth, Hull and Sunderland)
9 out of 24 teams in the Championship also play with two strikers (Barnsley, Blackburn, Brighton, Bristol City, Burton, Cardiff, Ipswich, Preston, and Rotherham)
I bet the rest of them are cursing that idiot Martinez for inventing lone striker formations using Jason Scotland.
Just on example of Caldwells diabolical Summer transfer window.
100% certain if we had the below we’d have more points than we have now
Jussi
Wabara Pearce Morgan Warnock
Perkins Power
Mcann
Jacobs Grigg YanikProbably would have more points, but McCann leaving was nothing to do with Caldwell. We simply couldn’t afford his salary demands.
I don’t know why everyone is saying we should never have let Wabara go. He was a decent League 1 player as far as I could see – no more than that.[/quote]
I’m only guessing but there’s no way McCann’s wage demands were much more than what were paying Powell and Gomez and I know which id rather have.[/quote]
No idea what they’re on now, but in 2013 McCann was on £550,000. So I’m guessing he’s on a lot more now in MLS.
Last season Nick Powell was on £260,000. I doubt we offered him much more than this.
I bet Gomez is on similar to what McCann was on, but he’s only on a one year contract.
http://celebrityglad.com/wigan-athletic-fc-roster-salaries-most-recently-formed-club/
https://www.dailiesroom.com/man-united-players-salaries-wages-contracts-201516/
The fact of the matter is, McCann didn’t want what was offered to him – be it not enough money, not a long enough contract or whatever.
It was hardly Caldwell’s fault he left and was more down to the club’s finances.
