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Basic living conditions, and unpredictable showers.
What a classy comment to make
As for the rest of it, you need to learn to accept that just because you have changed your mind (again) that not everyone feels the same, not everyone agrees with you & just coz people don’t agree with you it doesn’t make them p’s & c’s.
Oh & just because you “think” something, it doesn’t necessarily make you right eitherFor Gawds sake VAT its you that needs to lighten up or reverse your sense of humour bypass
I was merely making light of the fact that there are always key games before the fixtures that I hope fall on a hot weekend in August, April or May – more often that not they tend to wind up being midweekers. About the only honourable exception has been Blackpool this season
Incidentally I had a ticket for the Bournemouth game in 2000 – didn’t wind up going coz transport plans fell through at the last minute but the thought was there
I didn’t go in 1993 either when it fell on the same last day of the season & the Latics coffin was paraded round the away end following our relegation1 – 1978
2 – 10th
3 – Bobby, isidro Diaz & Jesus Seba
4 – Kevin Langley
5 – West Brom is the name of a club that springs to mind but its a complete guessYou can guarantee that any away game at Bournemouth would be scheduled on a Tuesday night in the middle of November!!!
Time will tell which camp he eventually settles in
I hope its the latter
The problem with staying over here is that they would have no game & wind up just coming in for training & all going their separate ways afterwards
By taking em off somewhere as a team to somewhere like this its an (expensive) attempt to keep the squad together, improve team spirit, work on conditioning & allow those carry knocks & niggles (like N’Zogbia) to have em worked on in the plush surroundings of nice warm sunny Spain in state of the art surroundings as opposed to wet, windy, & cold Christopher Park
There’s always the risk that it could make em a bit ring rusty whilst Brum will be match fit but on the other hand you’ve always got the risk that the Brum players with knocks & niggles could make em worse & they’ve already got a manager saying that many of his players are running on empty but he has no choice but to play em & fatigue and all that (r@p could be setting inThe amount of games that Latics have dominated, played some good stuff or deserved to win is a minority to the games I have seen which are (IMO) boring, turgid & mistake riddles
If that is the way that the “elite of European football try to play” then the game really is going to the dogs.
I’d better stop coz I could pick holes in what JayT wrote all day long but he/you are as entitled to your opinion as anyone else – even the “minority” of fans that you say want Bobby out, scream for his head after every result that doesn’t go our way & want to see the team play “hoof ball” (just how many inaccurate, sweeping, generalisations can you make in one article??)As for whether Whelan is right to say that Bobby will be here for the long term. That’s his opinion. Whether keeping a manager for the long term is the best way to bring success is another matter altogether.
Of course the best teams have kept their manager’s for long periods. They are hardly likely to get rid of them every couple of years if they’re doing a poor job are they?
Its a bit of a chicken & the egg question. Which came first? Being a good manager anyway or needing the time to become a good manager? There are some managers who if they’d been given an ice age at club’s wouldn’t have been succesful (Chris Hutchings at latics springs to mind). Likewise there are some managers who have needed time to lay the groundwork for the future good work (Alex Ferguson springs to mind)pathetic moaners the lot of them never show the slightest bit of optimism, read one of them the other day saying we didnt play well at tottenham and were lucky or words to that effect. :dance: :dance: :dance:May I suggest that you go away & re-read what I posted about that Tottenham game
It was in the main a response to somebody (possibly you) saying somet along the lines of how if I couldn’t see that Latics deserved something out of the game against City then I was blind. That in itself was a response to me saying that teams generally get what they deserve in football
If I remember rightly what i said was that on the balance of play/chances yes Latics deserved somet from the game but that I’d been referring not to individual games but the course of a season so Latics are bottom after 29 games coz we deserve to be & the same would be true of wherever we finish after 38 games be it 15th or 20th. I said that for every game where you could point to the team not getting the points reward that their performance deserved (City) there were games like Spurs away where the team had got more points than their performance deserved
That’s true – if someone is gonna bang on about us being “unlucky” to be where we are in the table or in certain games then they can’t just ignore the other side of the coin
I’ll give the team & manager credit when they deserve it (as i did on Monday morning in a thread) & I’ll give em criticism when they deserve it
Its called not being a sheepAnd VAT I’ve watched latics in all 4 divisions & would still go to games when i can if they end up back where they were in September 1994. People generally don’t want to see Latics get relegated coz they don’t want to see their team fail. Wanting your team to get relegated has to be some of the most twisted logic I’ve ever heard from a football fan. Either that or its plain & simply a way of tryign to cushion yourself from your teams failure by trying to convince yourself that you don’t like this division anyway & its all so much better in the lower leagues & we’d be much better off there anyway
Its pathetic – you know full well as a football supporter that your club can sign or sell players at any given time
Therefore if you pay to have someone’s name on the back you are running the risk that at some point whilst that kit is still in circulation you might wind up walking round with someone’s name on the back who no longer plays for your club
If a supporter doesn’t want to run that risk then the choice they have is not to get a name put on the back.
I suspect that if it had gone to the court then Reading would have wonI think the desire to want to be a referee should preclude you from ever being one.
It’s a power thing for men with little willies and a humour by-pass.Come on Tyldesley, come on! :angry-boxing: [/quote]
No need to Griff
I’ve got a massive donga & I’m funny as fook!!!!didn’t United beat us 2-1 at wom in 2006 despite only having 1 shot on target?
9 March 2011 at 11:26 am in reply to: Cutting Through The Bull, The Reality Of Our Situation. #61661There’ll be loopholes alright or else some club’s would be kicking up one hell of a stink about it & they aren’t
For example United are £355million in debt or somet like that & they will still be able to compete in European competition.
On a lesser scale there were some who thought Birmingham City wouldn’t be able to compete in Europe coz of the debts of their “parent” company but they willYosser – if that’s from the BBC prediction thingy I did that yesterday.
Can’t remember who came 20th or 19th but I had Latics coming 18th & joint on (35) points with Blackpool but going down on goal difference
However I didn’t try & predict actual scores & just gave a winning team the match at 1-0 & there wasn’t a whole lot in it goal difference wise between us & them
I was pretty pessimistic on Latics results so its actually given me a glimmer of hope that staying up is still possible providing we can win games more than 1-0, avoid getting hammered & Blackpool take a few kickingsVAT contrary to what you might believe the vast majority of Latics fans are more than aware of how the club is performing financially & that this can’t carry on indefinitely without an extremely wealthy backer who wouldn’t want any returnon their money.
I certainly don’t need you to state it for me
All I’ve stated in relation to your original post (& that in another thread) is that I find it truly bizarre to suggest that Martinez is doing a “smashing job” because he is taking the club down (along with cutting the wage bill etc..). To suggest that this was his brief on being appointed I think is the stuff of science fiction conspiracy theories.
It also to me suggests that his inability to learn from his many and varied mistakes made whilst in the post is deliberate & that come this August we will really see what a tactical genius the fella is. Which kind of ignores comments made by Swansea fans as to his managerial style & ability whilst there.
Your theory also completely ignores a statement made by Bobby not 4 weeks ago when the WEP put to him that it might be in Latics interest to drop out of the division & he replied that “it was absolutely vital for the long term plans that are in place for Wigan Athletic for us to remain in the top flight” – he could well be lying but then you startign to drop back into conspiracy theory territoryYou may be right but you can’t prove it. Its all conjecture
Even if it is better for Latics financially to spend a year or 2 out of the top flight I aint sure that Bobby is in anyway competent enough on the footballing side to be the right manager for this football club – he has shown nowt to suggest otherwise to me
Unless of course his brief has been to create a boring, mistake riddled, low scoring, inspipid relegation side – in which case then I’d agree he doing a “smashing job”That wasn’t what they said though. They stated that calling Bobby’s football “low scoring drivel” was “drivel” & then produced some stats to show that it is low scoring & that despite Bobby’s promises that things will get better & his supporters telling us that all he needs is time in actual fact his team’s goalscoring record so far this season is worse than it was last season!!!!
Aside from that I never said that the team is more low scoring under Martinez.
i said “I could be offered the manager’s job & promise to get the team playing the most beautiful football ever seen but if after nearly 2 seasons that team was still producing boring, mistake riddled, low scoring drivel then I would not be delivering on my promise & I’d expect to be given the boot” and in my opinion it is boring, mistake riddled, low scoring, drivel (for the most part)
Whilst boring & drivel are subjective & down to the individual, one thing you can’t dispute is that it is mistake riddled & low scoring -
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