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Just gonna include ones I was there at as opposed to seeing on the telly & in no particular order and I’m going for the game itself as opposed to the trip/day:
Cup final 2013
3-3 v Bury (A) Boxing Day 1994. Torrential rain, flooded pitch & probably should never have been played but a cracking game
2-2 v PNE (H) April 1999. Latics in front twice & pegged back twice but a quality game in that congested end of season run in
7-1 v Scarborough. Scarborough may have been an awful side but Latics didn’t put a foot wrong & Bobby scored the greatest goal that I have ever seen
3-2 v Torquay (H) 1996. End to end game in which Latics were pegged back twice but Graeme Jones stuck a header away in the last minute. Made it on to TV being carted away by the stewards for jumping on the pitch as Jonah piled into the crowd to celebrate
5-0 v York (H) 1998. The first example of just how good the Barlow/Liddell/Haworth forward line could be. One of the goals incolved about 6 or 7 one touch passes starting with Bradshaw down near the corner flag before it was laid off for Liddell to slam home. Twas a thing of beauty!!
6-1 v Stoke (H) 2001
1-0 v City (H) 2002. Revenge for the Hand of Goat goal
3-1 v West Ham (A) 2004. Made it back with hours to spare from a music festival in Spain. A few liveners in the Boleyn pub before kick off & then sat back & watched a masterclass in football from Latics
3-1 v Reading (H) 2005. Never been as nervous watching Latics being 2-0 up
4-3 v City (H) 2006. My now wife had been pestering to come to a game so I chose this coz I thought it’d be cold & dull & she wouldn’t wanna go again. Instead I got this & she wanted to come to more games – thankfully that phase didn’t last long
5-3 v Blackburn (H) 2007. Seem to remember Latics being 3-0 up at half time. getting pegged back to 3-3 before pulling away again. Great game
3-2 v West Ham (H) 2011I’m aware I’ve picked more than 10 but there’s only so far you can narrow it down!!
Thanks for THAT goal Ben, but I will still always refer to your Wigan career as “shit”I’d have to agree. Never a player who impressed me bar a very brief spell under Bobby during the period that included the 3-2 win over Arsenal
But what a goal!!I’m taking it that you’ve missed the current rumours about the Dutch striker as well as MacKay’s interview that 2 players are close to joining?
FA Cup goal apart, I’ve never been the biggest fan of Ben Watson but since coming back from his more recent broken leg he’s been dire & I don’t think merits a place in the squad so I’m behind the club’s decision to get money for him now as opposed to losing him for nowt in the summer – any money received goes back into the club’s coffers whether it be to balance the books or fund an incoming move
Maloney has obviously made it clear that he won’t sign a new deal at Latics & whilst I’d like to see him be involved in the squad until he leaves because I know what he has produced in the past, he hasn’t produced that level of performances (consistently) for close on 2 seasons now so his loss is not going to be the massive one it would have been back in 2013Here’s a link to the Dutch guy:
Wigan Athletic in talks with Feyenoord over Mitchell Te Vrede (Dutch link) from soccer
The article is in Dutch but there is someone on Vital Latics (from the Netherlands) who says that the site which has broke the story is one which has official links with Dutch clubs and only puts out stories which have come from the clubs (the clubs entered into the agreement to try & stop gossip sites)here’s mackay’s quotes:
http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-athletic/mackay-closes-the-net-on-two-targets-1-7064676Well obviously! Any links?[/quote]
I’m taking it that you’ve missed the current rumours about the Dutch striker as well as MacKay’s interview that 2 players are close to joining?
FA Cup goal apart, I’ve never been the biggest fan of Ben Watson but since coming back from his more recent broken leg he’s been dire & I don’t think merits a place in the squad so I’m behind the club’s decision to get money for him now as opposed to losing him for nowt in the summer – any money received goes back into the club’s coffers whether it be to balance the books or fund an incoming move
Maloney has obviously made it clear that he won’t sign a new deal at Latics & whilst I’d like to see him be involved in the squad until he leaves because I know what he has produced in the past, he hasn’t produced that level of performances (consistently) for close on 2 seasons now so his loss is not going to be the massive one it would have been back in 2013And Callum McManaman was genuinely going for the ball when he pole axed that Geordie fella a couple of seasons back, but it was still mistimed & the manner he executed the tackle was dangerous so if the ref had seen it properly he’d have walked
Likewise I don’t doubt McClean was genuinely going for the ball but he was never going to get it & his challenge was ill judged and poorly timed & having made no contact with the ball he was not going to be able to pull out of the challenge & his follow through caught the player.
Hence it was a foul & a caution for reckless playThe punishment for being reckless is meant to get players to use their judgement & know when they’re going to be able to get to the ball & to not challenge if they are unlikely to. In this occasion McCleans judgement was poor
The things is though that every challenge in football has some form of contact be it before or after the ball is gone. It’s a contact sport I’m led to believe.Later in the game McClean was clattered by their defender (full body contact not a knee to the foot) but he had fairly won the ball. You could argue that it’s a foul for following through and sending McClean flying. Difference is Jimmy got up and carried on.
EDIT – Once McClean misses with the foot he intends to make the challenge with he can’t vanish just like you can’t once you’ve won the ball. Unless he deliberately brings that leg in to challenge the player there should be no foul IMO.
Didn’t see the other challenge to be able to give an opinion on it but from your description the difference quite clearly is that the opponent won the ball – McClean didn’t get anywhere near the ball & clattered in to him (relatively) long after it had gone
It was a foul any day of the week2 flaws with your edited part – intent is subjective & there’s no way to decide or prove whether most fouls were deliberate
Secondly the way you described the challenge is almost the definition of reckless. He’s gone in in such a way that if he doesn’t make contact with the ball with his intended foot he has no way of withdrawing from the challenge or from clattering him with a different part of his body after the ball has gone. You could see early on that he wouldn’t make it in time but he still went into the challenge. It was a foul & it was reckless.
To say it shouldn’t even have been a foul coz he didn’t clatter him with his intended tackling foot is bizarreFootball is a contact sport. Always has been & always will be & whilst I don’t like the way some of the more physical side of football has been ruled out of the game, some forms of contact have always been against the laws of the game & that type of challenge is one of them.
If you went with your example you’d just have players clattering each other after the ball & claiming it was alright coz they’d gone into the challenge with the other legTwo footed or both feet same thing isn’t it?The Blackburn player was acting, ref got it bob on. Egg makes a good point, easy for Bowyer to create about this to deflect away from his teams poor performance.
We seem to be losing the art of seeing a tackle for what it is these days with all the poncey play acting from certain players.
No it isn’t – Going in 2 footed means just that i.e. both feet are going in to the challenge at roughly the same time
Going in with both feet off the floor can be used to describe the above but can also be used to describe a challenge whereby a player goes in to the challenge with one foot but the trailing foot/leg is also off the floor. And I don’t mean a centimetre or inch but caused by the player deliberately jumping in to the challenge as the TV footage appeared to show (although the photo doesn’t).
What makes it dangerous in the eyes of the FA & co is that once a player is in mid air he has no control over the rest of that challenge if it turns out he’s misjudged it
That makes it every bit a sending off as someone who jumps in with both feet towards the ball.The photo appears to show McClean’s trailing leg was on the floor but that it catches the player after he’s released the ball so the ref got it bob on – free kick & caution for a reckless (didn’t get the ball & the challenge was late) challenge
I can also imagine that due to the speed McClean was travelling at that, that when his trailing leg clatters the Blackburn players kicking foot that it might have smarted a bit & knocked him on his @r$e. Not saying he didn’t make the most of it but to say there was no contact & he put it all on isn’t true in my opinion
Anyone wanting to know why/how Southampton are able to spend far more than Latics did during our time in the top flight just needs to take a look at the most recent Deloitte football rich list – they’re 25th with an income of £125mill in the last financial year.
I’d hazard a guess that even with the current top flight TV income that Latics wouldn’t even come remotely close to that figure
For comparison crystal palace, hull, Cardiff, Norwich, west brom & Fulham didn’t get near to that figure either and all of them have far bigger match day income in the top flight than Latics did/doNot sure what the Rovers fan means by everything happens after this picture. Unless James goes back in time at some point. Why would he not scream at a player for trying to get him sent off? As for Grant Hanley’s response…..well.Purely from the photo above, the ref got it spot on – misjudged & reckless so just a caution.
The photo is only one moment in time though so there could well be others where he is off the floor with both feet but that photo appears to show his trailing leg remained grounded.I kind of get what the Blackburn fan is saying in a couple of respects though coz even that photo shows McClean connects with the Blackburn player with the knee of his trailing leg. IMO it doesn’t look like excessive force it just looked mistimed & misjudged.
I’d also say that based on that I don’t think the Blackburn player put anything on.
The Blackburn fan may also be referring to the fact that when one of the Blackburn players got in the face of McClean, McClean reacts in a manner the TV cameras don’t pick up & the Blackburn player turns away clutching his face – he might be intimating that McClean has stuck his nut in or give him a slap coz the rest of their players react to that incident as well – just as we might say the Blackburn player put it on to get him sent offFrom the picture on his Instagram he doesn’t touch him. Yellow card for being reckless, which is a joke in itself but that’s another story.Any chance that you can put the photo from instagram up on here so I can have a shufty?
Like I said, it doesn’t matter whether he touched him or not – If he’s jumped into the challenge with both feet off the floor (& again it doesn’t matter if he went into the challenge with 2 feet or not) then it is classed as dangerous, not reckless, as they class the player as having no control over the challenge at that point (i.e. he can’t stop or slow the challenge) & should by the laws have been a red.
Certainly from the TV angle that’s what it looks like he did
Also, I’m not saying that this is what happened but contact may have been avoided as the player saw McClean coming & stopped his movement/withdrew his bodyWhether the Blackburn guy play acted or not doesn’t matter when deciding whether McClean should have walked or not, although if he did you could caution him for simulation
I disagree TL. He went in at speed for sure, but not two footed from what I could see. That does not constitute dangerous play.
Blackburn were a physical side and a bit sneaky too. They were trying to wind mcClean up and fair play to the bloke for not falling for it.I didn’t say it looked like he went in 2 footed, I said it looked like he jumped in with both feet off the floor – even with one foot leading & the other tucked underneath him then it should have been a sending off for dangerous play combined with being late & with excessive force.
I wasn’t there on Saturday so didn’t see what was going on from the Blackburn players but again that’s irrelevant just as if you get chopped down & turn round & smack the guy you still get sent off for violent conduct.
The challenge might look different from a different angle but from the one on shown on the BBC I’d agree with the Blackburn manager that he should have been sent offAny contact (or lack of it) is irrelevant
If he jumped in with both feet off the floor like he appeared to do from the TV footage then it should have been a sending off
He got lucky – not that I’m complaining like, but it was very late & dangerousSpot on Donny, with your top four Judiibut I think you mean Alan Johnson who went to a tribunal to leave for Lincoln City for the princely sum of £65,000. Proper Judas, that fella; especially since I think he was a Wigan Mon born and bred !
I wouldn’t describe Alan Johnson as a judas
Firstly I was at an away friendly against Skem the close season after Latics had been relegated from the 3rd div & Bryan Griffiths turned up to watch & was stood near where the entrance to the changing rooms. Alan Johnson was subbed in the second half, Griffiths tried to exchange pleasantry’s with him & Johnson gave him both barrels to the effect that he’d left Latcis in the lurch
Secondly, I was a part time steward back then as well (when I was home from uni) & was told when he left from someone at the club that he’d gone to speak to Kenny Swain to inform him that Lincoln had sounded out his agent after a game they’d played against them recently. I was told that before the conversation got any further that Kenny Swain said “Well just f*** off to Lincoln then” – so he didLee McCulloch – the way he, by his own admission, conducted himself was far worse than Chimbonda
Still gave his all on the field though[/quote]
His “all” resulted in a sending-off in his last game and allowed Heskey to gain cult status as a centre-half.[/quote]
It did yes. And?
He didn’t exactly take his toys home and refuse to play did he?[/quote]
Here’s the account I’ve had:Apparently, towards the end of Jewell’s last season, McCulloch met privately with Dave Whelan to inform him out of courtesy that he’d heard Rangers were interested in him again – despite having a bid rejected in January, and he wanted to join them at the end of the season. DW said he could leave at the end of the season with his blessing and would not stand in his way if Wigan avoided relegation. So, McCulloch thanked him, and said he was going to get his agent to write up a transfer request – which he’d hand to Paul Jewell.
But immediately after the conversation and before he was able to submit the request, news of Lee McCulloch planning to leave Wigan appeared on Sky Sports – seemingly leaked (bearing in mind it was a meeting between just two people). Paul Jewell flew off the handle and called McCulloch all sorts of names to anyone who’d listen.
Anyway, that summer, we avoided relegation and DW immediately announced that he’d turned down a bid from Rangers as he didn’t feel the offer was acceptable. McCulloch, angry and upset, approached DW to remind him of their conversation, only for Whelan to deny the conversation ever took place.
Thoroughly pissed off, McCulloch then told his teammates and Hutchings (the new manager) that he was going to feign injuries and disrupt training sessions until the club agree to sell him to Rangers.
The two clubs eventually agreed on a price and McCulloch was sold to Rangers.
I’m sure if you asked Mr Whelan for his side of the story it would be a different account. So it’s a case of which one do you believe?[/quote]
My issue isn’t with what went on in the summer, it was with what went on in January.
In the middle of a relegation battle with the club & manager that turned him from a no-mark centre forward into a premier league standard left winger he effectively tried to force the club into selling him for what was in effect buttons/next to nothing. By his own admission he then kicked up one hell of a stink for a prolonged period that month when the club stuck to their guns & kept knocking back Rangers’ derogatory offers.
Once the transfer window had closed he gave an interview to one of the local rags in which he pretty much admitted that he hadn’t been giving his all during January but would now go back to doing so.I hadn’t heard the summer story but some of his actions then tie in with what I’ve heard about him in the January
As others have said, it’s his job and it was a dream move for him but as a supporter of Wigan Athletic that conduct is far worse to me than handing in a transfer request in his kit
