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Blackpool have started to get points thats what.
We played 442 at home the other week, drew 0-0, didn’t have a shot on target.
I can make ridculous generalisations like you all day, if you want?[/quote]
At least we didn’t get beat! :)[/quote]
And it was that exta striker that made all the different in defense![/quote]All good teams defend from the front!!
There’s no right & no wrong formation to play in football. There never has been & there never will be.
It’s about selecting the formation best suited to the skill set of your squad and that’s one of the problems at Latics at the moment coz I don’t think 1 up front works with the current squad but there’s been times in the past, with different players, when it has worked
As it happens I don’t think that we’ve got the personnel to be successful at 4-4-2 either. I don’t think that we have the midfielders to be strong with 2 in the middle & I don’t think McManaman is an out & out winger but there’s no-one else I can think to put down that flank. I also don’t think our defenders work well as a team with only 2 centre halvesThis can also mean that you don’t always pick your best 11 individual players more that you pick the 11 who can best gel as a unit in whatever formation that may be. I’ve seen it virtually all my life watching England where different managers have picked who they think are the best 11 players & tried to shoehorn them in together – Gerrard & Lampard in the middle of the park being one of the more recent examples. The times when they’ve had more success is when they’ve found a system that works with certain players – they won the World Cup despite having the best striker in the country at the time getting splinters in his bum coz other players worked better in Ramsay’s 4-3-3
Personally with Latics current squad, I’d go with 3 centre halves (Boyce, Ramis & Figueroa), 2 wing backs (Perch/Tavernier & Taylor), 3 central midfielders (Kvist, McCann & Mloney) & 2 up top (McManaman being one of them Riera/Delort/Holt being the other)
I meant ‘on our own’ in the sense that we’d probbaly be the first set of fans to pro-actively totally boycott a game. If it was totally boycotted, then it would indeed send out a powerful messsage – that, as well as being racists, us Wiganers are tight-fsted twats too, for starters. ;)I’ve seen the link you mention elsewhere this afternoon. Anyway, I wish you the very best of luck with it, mate.
To be fair, if you remember Latics second season in the top flight when the club ramped up the ticket prices significantly.
Some of the “new” Latics fans voted with their feet, although with the increase in price, the drop off in home fans probably didn’t make much difference in income.
However, the Man City fans objected to the price hike and organised a boycott so instead of getting 25k on like there’d been the season before or 21k as had been on the previous week against United, there were only about a thousand (if that) City fans there & there was only 16k on.
Shortly afterwards the club dropped prices across the board.So Latics fans wouldn’t be the first and it can have an impact. I also seem to remember supporters of other clubs doing it, possibly to lesser degrees of success, at places like Birmingham (when in the top flight) who had massive price hikes for their “bigger” games.
I’ve long said that instead of moaning about how expensive it is that if prices reach a level where an individual believes they’re being ripped off then they should simply not pay it & not go. As long as they pay it & whinge then clubs will continue to charge it.
On this particular game, I’m torn – I don’t get to many games these days & even less away games (plus Leeds is one of only about 15 league grounds that I’ve never been to) so I’d arranged to go with some mates on a Boxing Day booze up for it.
36 quid is way above my threshold of what I’d be prepared to pay for a game of 2nd flight football though but the emotional tug of the game means I’m now undecided & if I go it’ll make me a hypocrite (plus the wife’ll kill me for paying “How much?? for a game of football??”I do however think that for any boycott to have any chance of forcing the prices down, the organisers need to let Leeds United know & their supporters organisations(who for all we know may be equally pished off) so that it doesn’t look merely like “no fans” Wigan again
He hasn’t actually called you a racist though has he GL? He’s stated Wigan fans are racist like everyone else in the media seems to be doing.What are the courts going to do, individually contact every Wigan fan on the planet and ask if they’re offended by it? This isn’t America.
Egg’s right.
As an individual you couldn’t sue for libel or defamation from that article – Dave Whelan & Malky Mckay could try as they are individually named but as a Wigan Athletic fan I’m pretty certain you couldn’t although the supporters club might have more ability toAside from that, I think the writer could also justifiably point out that “Town full of p***s” & other such delights are sung by significant section of the Latics faithful at Latics v Bolton games and the fact that the club had to issue a statement only last week reminding all fans that the use of offensive language etc.. was illegal, as grounds for making such a statement regardless of whether you, me or anyone else on here chanted it
Surprised myself with 18/20, horc, how the hell did you miss out on Deepdale with those floodlights?
Bill Shankly Stand was a bit of a clue too[/quote]
The massive blue & white picture of Bobby Robson kind of gave the game away for Ipswich n’all
I think the reason the FA are dragging their heels with the MacKay incident is the repercussions if the FA were to find him guilty, privacy laws have to be taken into consideration.
I personally don’t the FA will taken action, can you imagine it, the FA having to investigate every claim regarding racist remarks sent from footballers phones in a one 2 one private text or email ?.
If its just those texts (or even similar additional ones that have yet to come to light) then the FA can’t do anything. Aside from privacy laws they set themselves a precedent when they said they couldn’t charge Scudamore with anything when his former secretary leaked what some deemed sexist emails, on the grounds that it was private communication between 2 individuals
What I’ve read the delay is in either charging or not charging him, is that they want to investigate whether there are any texts/emails in the public domain and/or whether they type of language used in the ones currently known about is indicative of a culture of prejudice operated by Mackay when he was in charge at Cardiff.
The comments from the South Korean player’s agent would indicate that there wasn’t whilst the comments that have come from the player who claims he was known as the “wee Eyptian” would indicate that others felt there was (or may have been).
So aside from just looking through the texts & emails provided to them by Cardiff I think they’re also going to be interviewing staff at the club[/quote]Of course they can! They are not looking to bring criminal charges, this is an internal football charge loosely based on the old “bringing the game into disrepute” scenario. Wehther they should, or whether they want to risk someone counter-suing the is another matter altogether.[/quote]
They can’t though. They’ve admitted it themselves in the past.
There is a limit to what can be classed as bringing the game into disrepute & the FA stayed what that was several months ago16/20 although some I only got not coz I knew which ground it was but coz I knew that it wasn’t the 3 other stadiums given as an option
I think the reason the FA are dragging their heels with the MacKay incident is the repercussions if the FA were to find him guilty, privacy laws have to be taken into consideration.I personally don’t the FA will taken action, can you imagine it, the FA having to investigate every claim regarding racist remarks sent from footballers phones in a one 2 one private text or email ?.
If its just those texts (or even similar additional ones that have yet to come to light) then the FA can’t do anything. Aside from privacy laws they set themselves a precedent when they said they couldn’t charge Scudamore with anything when his former secretary leaked what some deemed sexist emails, on the grounds that it was private communication between 2 individuals
What I’ve read the delay is in either charging or not charging him, is that they want to investigate whether there are any texts/emails in the public domain and/or whether they type of language used in the ones currently known about is indicative of a culture of prejudice operated by Mackay when he was in charge at Cardiff.
The comments from the South Korean player’s agent would indicate that there wasn’t whilst the comments that have come from the player who claims he was known as the “wee Eyptian” would indicate that others felt there was (or may have been).
So aside from just looking through the texts & emails provided to them by Cardiff I think they’re also going to be interviewing staff at the clubHere’s the Daily Wail’s report…As previous forum posters referred to…the Wail’s record on such matters is hardly exemplary :ohmy:
PS Anyone got Carly Barnes’ phone number? :woohoo:
It’s interesting to note in this Daily Mail article that the South Korean players agent says something along the line of they’re only words and far from experiencing any prejudice from Mackay when he was in charge at Cardiff, that Mackay actually went out of his way to make him feel welcome & to help him settle
I didn’t count the United game as it was a friendly
“We had failed to score away from home in 9 games and hadn’t picked a point up since an opening day win”
It was 8 full games between the opening day away goals & the next away goal and they also drew with Charlton & beat Yeovil away from home between the Barnsley game & Coyle getting the push.
Looks like your memory is as good as Owen Coyle’s maths!! ;)
I was wasting time in work yacking with a contractor we use (& fellow Latics fan) about the merits of our squad earlier this week & what I think is the root of Latics problems is not so much that the players are individually poor or so much worse than the players at other clubs, its that for the first time since I’ve been following Latics I can look at the squad and I don’t think that I could tell you what I thought is best starting XI & likewise the playing system which would best utilise the players talents.
In every area of the field if I think that one area would suit one type of formation then it means the players we have aren’t suite to playing in the roles elsewhere in that system. For example if we go with 2 up front I don’t think that we have the central midfielders suited to playing 2 in the middle or enough out & out wingers (at a push it’s McClean’s best position but it aint either Maloney’s or McManaman’s) needed for a 4-4-2. Go with 3 in the middle & 2 up front then for me there’s no position for Maloney, McClean or McManaman & you lose some of our most potent & quickest attacking threats.
If you go with the 1 up front & 2 advanced midfielders used under Bobby we aint got the person up front capable of playing that role effectively enough.
I don’t think the centre halves we have suit having 2 there but put 3 at the back & I don’t think we have anyone effective enough at left wing back.I think that it comes from having had 4 managers in little over 19 months all with their own types of system & preferred players, and a high number of players leaving due to needing to balance the books & they themselves wanting to play at higher levels. Its led to a right hotch potch of a squad, very few of which I think are poor but who don’t compliment each other
Maybe I am being harsh on him, but from that footage he deosn’t look like he’s either spotted Ramis’ error or like he’s busting a gut to get there (even though after the ball had gone over his head he’s facing his own goal and therefore can see what happening.)Again, Ramis is at fault, but to me that whole sequence makes the defence look lacklustre.
Sorry to labour the point (which is most unlike me ;) ) but if you watch the footage, at 2.09 Boyce just disappears from shot & he’s about a yard outside the corner of the box having just turned round to see where the ball is.
At 2.12 he reappears in shot having probably covered a minimum of 8-10 yards
I know its hardly Usain Bolt-like but 3 seconds to find where the ball is, follow the path of the knock down, see a bloke unmarked, try to cover it & be where he is on the pitch isn’t amblingThat said, he gets turned inside far too easily by Drenthe in the first place, before Watson clears it and then again he allows the Sheff Wed player to overlap him in the next bit of footage far too easily.
Just watched their second goal again. I’ve seen those not given before! Bloody eagle-eyed linesman!I didn’t think there was any way that the whole ball had crossed the line but there’s some footage on youtube which just shows that incident & pauses it just before McCann clears it & the linesman got it spot on.
Fair play to him coz he’d have had to be bang on with the line to call that & he didn’t have that long to get from the last defender to the goal line to make sure he was in positionBoyce wasn’t marking anyone as the ball had been played past him some time earlier, and he ambles into shot as their player is putting it into the goal.Ramis is at fault, but I find the complete lack of awareness or effort from anyone else just as bad.
having watched the footage again, that’s very harsh on Boyce.
The Wednesday player puts the cross in & I wouldn’t expect Boyce to leave him to follow the ball in so he’ll have stayed with him. Watson then leaves his man to follow the ball meaning Boyce has 2 players to cover in that area. there’s then 2 seconds between the knockdown/Ramis & Watson coming out of position & May receiving the ball – I don’t think that there’s any way you can expect him to cover that. He may have shouted at Ramis & he may not have done (you can’t tell from that footage) but you can see him sprinting to try & cover but he slows/stops when the guy gets the ball coz at that point there’s nowt he can do
To me, there’s 4 Latics players involved in that bit of action (Barnett, Ramis, Watson & Boyce) & the only one I don’t think is at fault in any way is Boyce -
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