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If someone was talking bollocks I should have guessed it would have been you!!!
We’ll have to agree to disagree coz neither of us can prove why Gomez isn’t at a club with better players. For me though the best players go to the best clubs hence why Gomez is at Latics & not a club higher up the footballing ladder. It’s why he didn’t make it at Barcelona & why a normally struggling top flight/yo yo club like Espanyol let him go. It’s also why when Latics star players have been cherry picked that he is still here. None of that is any disgrace to him but I just can’t buy into that he would thrive in a better team stuff as I think it’s more likely that his deficiencies would be exposed by having better players around him – in a similar way to how many of those who have been cherry picked or agitated for a move away haven’t quite been as successful as they would have hoped at their new clubs.
Not wanting to get into another one of our debates but surely by saying that the better teams have someone in the playmaker role who is better than him backs up my argument that Latics (or similar level clubs) are his level !!I think this is where we left it last time….
But, yes, maybe a lower end Premier League, or upper end Championship team is his level.
I’m not saying he should play at a higher level – because he lacks the pace and strength that better plays of that ilk possess – and therefore doesn’t have the same versatility.
What I am saying is if he was in a much better side (let’s pretend Arsenal have lost their marbles and suddenly he’s in their starting eleven), Gomez would spend less time waiting for his teammates to catch up spot an opportunity and he’d look a much better player to the masses than he does now.
So maybe if someone took a punt on him it might pay off. Pirlo was hardly getting a game for Milan before he signed on a free for Juventus and then the following season he’s nominated for UEFA Best Player in Europe.*
* This is tongue in cheek. I am not comparing Pirlo to Gomez. Gomez is clearly a much better player.
[/quote]Great, a Latics fan taking sense. SW – you ought to replace that idiot, Hansen, on MOTD (everything ‘sensational’, blah, blah, etc.). Good post.
I can’t argue with the Newcastle game as being up there but the emotions felt that night when we battered manure were up there with the FA cup wij – by the time we played Newcastle i had already seen us beat Liverpool, ManU and Arsenal and I suppose I expected us to beat Newcastle – maybe not as well as we did.We beat them (outplayed them), but didn’t batter them (Newcastle, we did, we absolutely annihilated them – super football (ditto Utd, Arsenal etc., with CLINICAL finishing to boot (outstanding CONVERSION ratio .. a better one doesn’t spring to mind) .
As Bobby M said the other day (Everton), easier to get yourself up for the top teams (Manure, Arsenal), but harder to maintain same level of concentration for the ‘smaller’ teams (Swansea).
The reason, in part, why we were so ecstatic at beating Utd – first time we had beaten them, and not taken a drubbing. Even newly-promoted Burnley beat them 1-0, same season. Blackpool did Liverpool home and away (both got relegated, if memory serves me well).
One may even say Utd. – given prior record – came to Wigan expecting to win (complacency). Newcastle, on the back of our form (Lpool, Chelsea, Utd), I would say however, didn’t. Their two strikers, Ba and Cisse, were on fire at the time, scoring goals for fun.
All in all, for me, Newcastle (though it was admittedly great to see the smile wiped off my smug B-I-L , armchair football know-bugger-all, Utd fan’s, face..
You couldn’t blame him for wanting to move to to a Premier League club if he gets the opportunity. And from the club’s viewpoint, if he is indicating that he wont extend then they have a duty to sell and get some money if they can.
I wouldn’t blame Gomez for wanting a move either, given the stick he’s taken, but if I were him, I’d wait until summer and go for nothing. Again, though, if the club thinks he has no intention of extending then they should try to sell and raise some funds to try to replace them.If the club is serious about promotion though, they should do their best to hold on to those who wold contribute to that propmositon push and and beyond, and Jean and Gomez certainly fall into that category, in my opinion.
None of which is rocket science. Or some “ITK” bollocks.
maybe nit-picking, but I’d rather say Board have a duty to consider ‘wisdom of keeping’ i.e. odds re. successful promotion incl. players likely contribution (whether player re-signs or not) than ‘duty to sell’.
Speculate to accumulate. (EPL = payback on investment (GPBs!, even if player does ultimately does go on a Jonny B.)
Both JB and JG, without doubt, in ‘quality’ category. Agreed.[/quote]
No, you’re right. I guess it comes down to whether they think that the push for promotion is worth not getting a fee for the players who will not be staying.
Another consideration is whether you think that player will put the effort in over the remaining 6 months. Though some may say it would be quite hard for Gomez to put in less effort than he does now!![/quote]
Sure, but we both know we’d be questioning what game ‘those’ were watching.
They certainly weren’t at the Birmingham game.
And as we know, rather ‘work smart’ (Gomez) than like ‘billy-ho’ with no quality and no end product (journeyman).
Pity no-one (Holt ??!!!!!!!) was on the end of those balls played in 4/5 times by JG / JB combination the other day (Birmingham). And as was previously mentioned, the Gomez ball played in for McManaman at Wembley). Millwall. Quality.
To use one of RM’s favourite concepts, ‘courage’. Gomez more than any other sought out the ball at Brum (Ramis played in, etc.). Credit to him, this notwithstanding all the Bs1t he gets… (always easier to go hiding).
You couldn’t blame him for wanting to move to to a Premier League club if he gets the opportunity. And from the club’s viewpoint, if he is indicating that he wont extend then they have a duty to sell and get some money if they can.
I wouldn’t blame Gomez for wanting a move either, given the stick he’s taken, but if I were him, I’d wait until summer and go for nothing. Again, though, if the club thinks he has no intention of extending then they should try to sell and raise some funds to try to replace them.If the club is serious about promotion though, they should do their best to hold on to those who wold contribute to that propmositon push and and beyond, and Jean and Gomez certainly fall into that category, in my opinion.
None of which is rocket science. Or some “ITK” bollocks.
maybe nit-picking, but I’d rather say Board have a duty to consider ‘wisdom of keeping’ i.e. odds re. successful promotion incl. players likely contribution (whether player re-signs or not) than ‘duty to sell’.
Speculate to accumulate. (EPL = payback on investment (GPBs!, even if player does ultimately does go on a Jonny B.)
Both JB and JG, without doubt, in ‘quality’ category. Agreed.
Very strong rumour that Hull have put a bid in for Beausejour. Think he played under Bruce at Brum ,so could be true !!!
He was signed by McLeish at Birmingham so Bruce was long gone when he joined them.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he went. He’s in the last year of his contract so we either sell now or lose him for nothing in the summer.
Pity if he goes though. I think we’ll miss him.[/quote]
We would; one of the few capable of playing balls with real quality (incl. Gomez).
We bought him for < 1M GBP if I remember well; we wouldn't get big bucks for him (last year contract). assuming UR rates him (and we play to JB's strengths), I'd say keep him. Promotion end of season .. we're going nowhere, selling our better players mid-term. Another day out at Wembley (FA Cup win) and we'll recoup what we've lost on the transfer fees foregone B) B)
I agree – I was forcing myself to go to the games and watch the crap that Coyle served up – now the buzz is back (though Birmingham was not great).I will always love the Spanish Guy and no matter what he will always be a legend – The end of the penultimate season was the best football I have ever seen (especially the Man U game) from Latics and what Martinez was about – yes he failed to keep us up because we did not have the depth of squad that could overcome the loss of Alcaraz and Ramis – but the FA Cup was just out of this world and beyond 99% of our supports expectations.
I mourned his loss because I could see how Coyle dismantled all the hard work from the last 4 years.
We all knew Bobby would leave and 4 years was more than i expected and showed he really does care about Wigan.
I am rejuvinated by Uwe and believe he will be excellent for us – but I bet you now, he will not be with us for more than 3 years – If he succeeds and gets us into the premier league then we will be lucky to get more than 1 year more from him before one of the bigger clubs comes in for him.
In the meantime – lets just enjoy it.
The Newcastle game (first 45) was arguably even better – 4 up in 45 mins against a team that came to Wigan on the back of 7/8 successive victories.
The conversion rate (goals to attempts … ridiculous :P ) and football was of Barcelona proportions. Little Wigan ! :ohmy: :ohmy: :dry:
That run in – Liverpool, Manure, Newcastle, Arsenal etc. really was something else.
I’ll consider myself a lucky guy if I see us play with that level of quality against the ‘big boys’ over a sustained period again. Believe ! Thanks Bob (FA Cup and all). :cheer:I agree – I was forcing myself to go to the games and watch the crap that Coyle served up – now the buzz is back (though Birmingham was not great).I will always love the Spanish Guy and no matter what he will always be a legend – The end of the penultimate season was the best football I have ever seen (especially the Man U game) from Latics and what Martinez was about – yes he failed to keep us up because we did not have the depth of squad that could overcome the loss of Alcaraz and Ramis – but the FA Cup was just out of this world and beyond 99% of our supports expectations.
I mourned his loss because I could see how Coyle dismantled all the hard work from the last 4 years.
We all knew Bobby would leave and 4 years was more than i expected and showed he really does care about Wigan.
I am rejuvinated by Uwe and believe he will be excellent for us – but I bet you now, he will not be with us for more than 3 years – If he succeeds and gets us into the premier league then we will be lucky to get more than 1 year more from him before one of the bigger clubs comes in for him.
In the meantime – lets just enjoy it.
Good post, agreed.
UR appears to be good man-manager, and master technician (plan b,c etc.).
Fingers crossed he’s smart in the transfer market (could make or break our season)
What would be the value of an unused football stadium in Horwich?It will be interesting to see what happens to the Ricoh Arena in Coventry. Coventry City plan to build a new stadium just outside the city. Meanwhile, they are playing their home games at Northampton.
I wonder if they have considered a move to Horwich? The way things are going, it may not be long before they don’t need a home ground at all. A great shame for a little club that once beat a giant in the Cup Final.
What struck the other day reading the article on BWFC were the comments made by Gartside re. inability goinmg forward to rely on owner E Davies to the same extent, given the new fair play regulations (correspondingly, the need to generate other revenue streams to ‘grow the top line’.
Now we can all be wise after the event, but why idea of sponsorship and god knows all other initiatives geared to revenue generation were not implemented long before is beyond me. Are these guys not businessmen (e.g. Gartside – ‘football men they are often not considered to be .. e.g. Tan / Cardiff). Did BWFC think Mr Davies ‘treasure chest’ was without limits ???!! Thank God, Whelan had a little more business acumen (common sense !).
One may say BWFC senior officials have been negligent in performance of their responsibilities (so much for ‘fiduciary duty’) … and so its the supporters who ultimately suffer
Leeds have been trying to get back to the ‘good old days’ of Ridsdale / O Leary for some years now …(how they have paid!)
pretty good article by one of our ownI can’t do the linky thing. but if you google “The Marmite Midfieler” you’ll get to it and maybe some cleverer person can put a link on here.
Some of you will not agree but I think new contracts for Jordie and Jean B could be the key to promotion.
If Uwe can convince them to stay, which I doubt with all the stick they get.
New contracts for JG and JB – spot on.
Big ask for UR – as you say, the ‘boo-boys’ get on their t(a)ts, particularly, JG !
Wouldn’t you rather do a ‘Bosman’, make some dosh in the process (and avoid the flak) ? End of season promotion may be the key !
The debt that Bolton have to their owner is a cash amount. No matter what happens to the club he is still owed £151 mill. I am not so convinced however that he would be so high up the priority list if the business went into liquidation – HMRC have absolute top priority claims.DW has shown faith in Latics though by converting his debt to equity. The value of that of course fluctuates with the fortunes of the club. If the fortunes of the club recede, then so does the value of the equity, and accordingly the amount he is owed. If he has say a million shares, and the value drops to 0.5p each, then he would only be owed £5,000. Hardly bleeding the club dry, is he?
NOT AT ALL, and in overseeing the debt / equity swap, he’s reduced the overall indebtedness of the club (servicing of debt …. interest-free ?), the gearing ratio (debt / equity ratio) has improved accordingly. Basically, put the club on a much more stable financial footing (no doubt, appeased the banks re. corporate overdraft facilities obtained); one less likely to fall foul of Mr. Blatter’s fair play regulations (!!!!!)
Not sure if anyone has listened to Rosler’s radio interview (bbc) but that sent alarm bells ringing.Decisions have to made in the interest of the club (quite right) and some of the players are out of contract at the end of the year so we have to think about their value.
that sounds like there will be a sale of players in January rather than letting them walk in May.
Which players are in their last 6 months?
Personally, I would hope that Whelan – having seen the transformation in fortunes under Rosler (W – Reading, Derby (A), D – Burnley (H) etc.) would – within reason – be prepared to invest (speculate to accumulate). If only, we can find that ‘fox in the box’ and with the squad we’ve got, we should be clocking up 3 points on a regular basis very soon ….
Already hard to beat (resolute in defence); just need that bit more quality in the final third (inability to unlock defences, and be more lethal).
Three successive clean sheets (Managerial influence, Al-Habsi impact). Build from the back … (the basis of any half-decent team).
UR mixed up the tactics to outdo Derby today.
Augers well …
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Just need a good January window (min. striker), and with a little luck (injuries etc.) we could soon be on our way ….
(minimum) play-offs here we come.
B)
BELIEVE !
Not a yank, Eddie Davies, but Bolton diehard, living today in Isle of Man.
His company is owed 151M, Bowton 164M in debt overall.
Gartside the idiot who has presided over the whole mess.
At least 30k weekly man D Ngogg managed to bag an equaliser today (small comfort).
Tough times ….
