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The thing is Hindley I am one of these strange people who believe positive things happen to positive people.
Imagine a DW singing its heart out 100 % behind the lads win or lose.
Its changed games in the past and it could change games now!!!
A shame that people would rather piss, moan and boo at the situation than rally up and play a small part in acheiving the same thing we all want.
Survival.
I consider myself to be a glass half full type.
I support Martinez in the same sort of way that you support your own child at a school sports day, almost unreservedly.
However, I have to say that Saturday broke my spirit and left me feeling indifferent as to whether he stays or goes (though I would still never boo).
There was little wrong with the support from the crowd for much of the game but people can’t be expected to tolerate ‘never looking like scoring’ forever – 3 goals in the last 8 home games, 2 shots on target in each of the last 2 must-win home games, is unlilkely to draw heaps of praise whatever your underlying opinion is.
Towards the end of last season we played with a fight and a positivity that was both productive and good to watch. If a public b0ll0cking for the manager by the chairman is what is required to put some fire in his and the players belly then bring it on.
Best scenario – Martinez stays, positive play increases, it becomes better to watch.
Next best scenarion – positive play increases, it becomes better to watch.
I’ll be there regardless but getting better would be preferable to getting worse.we have never beaten them on a wednesday
may be a bad omen?[/quote]No Andy – we won in Oman and that was quite good :unsure:[/quote]
very good goodpost… from Bank Holiday Monday 9 April to Wednesday 11 Aprilwe have never beaten them on a wednesday
may be a bad omen?Never understood why people just don’t sit in the seat that it says on their ticket. Wouldn’t have all this hassled then.
We are ok with the DW you can sit for the whole 90 mins and see every kick because of the stadiums design.Some grounds however I do and have had issues.The Emirates we were put in the corner quadrant halfway up and everytime the ball went down the line we couldnt see a thing and everyone stood to a man like a Mexican wave going down the line.Villa Park lower Holte End,now this is behind the goals so shouldnt be an issue but because the terrace is low and gradual if the guy in front of you is over 5 foot you cannot see a thing so again everyone stands same with the other end behind the goals.Ive found this at a few so called modern stadia as most of you will have.It usually seems to occur in the larger stadiums with big capacities.[/quote]
it wasn’t really the standing up that was an issue;
the source of the problem on saturday was that some people did not sit in (or stand in the location of) their allocated seat;
some late arrivals found that their seat was already occupied but on the whole the people who ended up standing in the aisles did so because they wanted to;
there were (at least) 2,000 seats and 2,000 supporters – if everyone had gone to the row letter and seat number printed on their ticket then the ‘standing in the aisles’ thing would simply not have happened;
poor by the stewards but also poor by the supportersyea its warriors chairman seems whelan as accepted offer for the club and stadium
the tricky bit is the ground was built by funds from the FA as well as whelan
so it will be rugby running the show not us
seems bloke who used to play rugby league was bob on
and i have said this on other threads
oh and warriors chairman as family involved with another club so yes complicated
and we might become a feeder club for themapart from the odd fixture clash I can’t see how it would make much difference really;
as I understand it we don’t own the stadium at the moment (despite Whelan’s pleadge to sign it over to us at the beginning of last season);
we pay rent, to whom doesn’t really matter;
we don’t get income from any of the non-football events at the stadium;
i can’t see a different stadium owner not wanting the income generated by about 3 or 4 hundred thousand football supporters each season so we are unlikely to be turfed out any time soonI presume we only asked for 1900 tickets, ie one tier. The way it sometimes works is if you ask for the rest of the allocation and don’t sell them, you have to pay for them all anyway. We would NOT have sold 4000 tickets.
This is what happened with Stoke away last season.
Visiting teams are entitled to 10% of the capacity or 3,000 if the capacity is more than 30,000, with half of that being sale or return. If you ask for more than that the remainder have to be bought by the club, so they have to ensure they will sell or be out of pocket.
“7. Unless otherwise agreed by the Board or between the Clubs, each Home Club shall make
available to its Visiting Club:
7.1 3,000 tickets or, if the capacity of the Home Club’s ground is less than 30,000, such
number of tickets as is equal to 10 per cent. of its ground capacity; and, whether or not
that allocation is taken up,
7.2 tickets for a minimum of 10 per cent. of the Home Club’s disabled spectator
accommodation.
8. At least half of the tickets referred to in Rule J.7 above must be made available on a sale or
return basis and the balance must be ordered by the Visiting Club (subject to the conditions
set out in Rule C.100) at least 4 weeks before the League Match to which they relate.”
(Premier League Handbook)[/quote]
so, based on a capacity of 28,000 we should be able to get 2,800 tickets without fear of having to sell any more than 1,400 (that figure already passed);
if the bottom tier is 1,900 we should be able to get 900 tickets for the upper tier on a pay or return basis
then, if the top tier was open anyway, if more than 2,800 were to turn up (which they won’t) they could easily have a pay gate for anybody without ticketsAh but Griff,Jewell is a far better manager than Martinez.(he was a better player too)Jewell got lucky as a manager and we got lucky as supporters
Dave Whelan bankrolled our much sought after promotion from the 3rd division (now league 1) and our very much unexpected and very premature promotion from the Championship to the Premier League
Jewell’s true credentials have been found out since leaving Wigan
Hard to think of any realistic managerial options who would be able to do much better for us than Martinez will next season whichever division we are inI’ll add my twopennyworth of one cause of the problem – and that’s stats.The analogy is a call centre. They have masses and masses and masses of individual performance figures. One is call handling time. Get as many calls as you can, what is the average call handling time, and if you are quicker than the target time you get a tick in the performance box. It doesn’t matter how briefly you cut the caller off, it doesn’t matter if you didn’t actually resolve their query – the stats are all important.
George, i completely agree with the analogy – lies, damm lies, & statistics and all that BUT my Mrs (who you know from Griffin House) won some gift vouchers for being one of the ‘top performers’ on her section last month (in what is now basically just a call centre);
it’s a braver man than me who would dare to suggest to her that she is doing anything other than a good job :(Roberto interview on the radio this morning:
“we don’t need to play well or play pretty; for the next month the only important thing is for us to win” (or words to that effect)the statement was of course from roberto mancini[/quote]
The exact words, according to today’s Daily Mirror …
“But we should fight. It’s not important that we play good football for a month. It’s important that we take three points every time we play.”
(a) sometimes when we by-pass midfield all together we do create some problems, but nobody really wants 90 minutes of long ball
(b) on the odd occassion when we move the ball quickly through midfield we look quite dangerous – this, i believe, is what we all enjoy
(c) often the ball goes into midfield but the first instinct of the receiver, it would seem, is to pass it back to where it came from – we retain possession but the opposition has time to get behind the ball and then we are simply not good enough to walk it into the net through a guarded defence in the way that the likes of Man U or Arsenal can do; young (small) Albert Crusat particularly (disappointingly) seemed prone to going backwards last night
(d) a good proportion of our short free kicks and corners not only don’t create anything but put actually us under needless pressure
so, a mixture of mainly (b) with portions of (c) and (a) required, giving (d) a wide a berth other than when it is safe to do so
Roberto interview on the radio this morning:
“we don’t need to play well or play pretty; for the next month the only important thing is for us to win” (or words to that effect)the statement was of course from roberto mancini
Suppose you could say im a glory hunter but in reverse.
yosser, you clearly ARE a glory hunter
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Im clearly NOT though am i[/quote]
yosser, like it or not you are/seem to be more or less the definition of a glory hunter
support the football when they are doing well give them up when they are not
support the rugby when they are doing well …So immature you. People have reasons as to why they don’t go, Im 26 started going in 1993 and from about 1996 onwards i very rarely missed a game and probably went to quarter of aways in a season, Not just the north-west ones. It’s funny when you look at it. I loved every minute of getting to the Premiership, No doubt. Now we are here though and there is no ambition any more and no prospect of wanting to finish up the table its now boring. Obviously we cant get promoted any more and all our owner wants us to do is scrape 17th position expecting people to just accept it. That doesn’t appeal to me, I can get excitement watching or playing football on the amateur pitches for £250 less the cost. I don’t think a return of 2 or 3 home wins is worth £250. The love of football has gone now and it’s just an interest these days or something to watch in the pub. Funny how i must have paid thousands in the past to watch lower league football but now we are in the supposedly best league in the world i don’t find it fun or enjoyable any more.Don’t spout to people like me zoggy, james, whoever you are. I have paid my way to watch good and crap, paid to go to the cup games when we wanted them. But now the club has given up wanting to win so have i.
Suppose you could say im a glory hunter but in reverse.
yosser, you clearly ARE a glory hunter
you managed to go to games from 1996 onwards when things were more or less continuously on the up and we were involved in a promotion battle every season
now we don’t win more than we lose (which is obviously less fun and less enjoyable than it used to be) you refuse to go
it’s your money and it’s up to you whether you go or not but please don’t profess to still being a supporter when you quite clearly are not